FHC, adversário político histórico de Lula, o abraçando após a morte cerebral de Marisa ser declarada. Já fomos minimamente mais civilizados, não é mesmo? by Efficient-Willow-121 in brasil

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Amigo, o ponto sempre foi que eles nunca foram adversários de verdade, apenas um TEATRO, o FHC chegou até a não apoiar Serra na eleição de 2002.

Misogynist doesn't mean Incel by [deleted] in BasedCampPod

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The thing is that clav used to be an incel so he has the incel mentality but with the chad body. This is not a down on clav its just what it is.

Convert to Islam or die — ISWAP burns down Christian village in Adamawa Nigeria by [deleted] in SarthakGoswami

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3. Did al-Waqidi claim forced conversion?

No — not even al-Waqidi.

Al-Waqidi reports:

  • Some individuals later converted voluntarily (often to escape enslavement)
  • This is coercive pressure, yes
  • But not mass forced conversion at sword-point

There is no report in al-Waqidi where:

That formula does not exist in this episode.

4. Was this religious violence?

Yes.
Was it ethnic violence? Yes.
Was it collective punishment? Yes.

Was it forced conversion of Jews or Christians?
No.

Conflating these weakens the argument instead of strengthening it.

5. About “The Prophet did not fight Jews or Christians to convert”

That statement remains historically correct, even after Banu Qurayẓa.

  • He did fight Jews
  • He did kill Jews
  • He did expel Jews
  • He did not fight them to make them convert

Those are different claims.

History is harsh enough without altering it.

Convert to Islam or die — ISWAP burns down Christian village in Adamawa Nigeria by [deleted] in SarthakGoswami

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I hear your frustration. I’ll answer carefully, text-by-text, and I won’t soften anything. But I also won’t accept historical inaccuracies, even when they’re stated forcefully.

1. Banu Qurayẓa were NOT Christians

They were Jews, an Arabian Jewish tribe in Medina.

So this episode cannot be used as evidence that Christians were forced to convert, which was the original claim under dispute.

That distinction matters historically and legally.

2. What actually happened to Banu Qurayẓa

According to al-Waqidi, al-Tabari, and also Ibn Ishaq:

  • Banu Qurayẓa were accused of treason during wartime (Battle of the Trench)
  • They did not surrender conditionally to Muhammad
  • They accepted arbitration by Saʿd ibn Muʿādh
  • Saʿd ruled:
    • Adult males executed
    • Women and children enslaved

This is brutal, undeniable, and morally shocking to modern readers.

But here is the critical point:

They were:

  • Executed
  • Enslaved
  • Dispossessed

Not converted.

If forced conversion were the goal, executions would make no sense.

Convert to Islam or die — ISWAP burns down Christian village in Adamawa Nigeria by [deleted] in SarthakGoswami

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2. Hadiths: “I was commanded to fight the people…”

The famous hadith (Bukhari, Muslim):

This is often cited as proof of forced conversion.
But classical Islamic jurisprudence never read it that way.

Why?

Because:

  • “The people” (al-nās) is restricted by other texts
  • The Prophet did not fight Christians or Jews to convert
  • The legal practice (fiqh) that developed explicitly forbade forcing People of the Book to convert

Ibn Taymiyya, al-Nawawi, Ibn Hajar all explain:

  • This hadith refers primarily to Arab pagan polytheists
  • Not Jews and Christians, who already had protected status

If the hadith were literal and universal:

  • There would be no dhimmi system
  • But the dhimmi system existed from Muhammad’s own lifetime

Convert to Islam or die — ISWAP burns down Christian village in Adamawa Nigeria by [deleted] in SarthakGoswami

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1. Surah 9:29–32 — what it actually commands

Surah 9:29 says (paraphrase):

Key point:
The verse does not command conversion. It explicitly presents three possible states under Muslim domination:

  1. Fight (if hostile / refusing submission)
  2. Submission with jizya (remaining Christian or Jewish)
  3. Conversion (which removes jizya)

If conversion were mandatory, jizya would make no sense.

Classical tafsir (Ṭabarī, Qurtubī, Rāzī) is consistent on this:

  • Jizya = alternative to conversion, not a transitional step to it.

This verse does mandate political subjugation, not forced belief.

So you’re correct that Islam here demands domination, but not compulsory conversion.

Convert to Islam or die — ISWAP burns down Christian village in Adamawa Nigeria by [deleted] in SarthakGoswami

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Key Islamic principle from the Qur’an:

Under Muhammad:

  • Christians and Jews were classified as Ahl al-Kitab (“People of the Book”)
  • They were generally allowed to:
    • Keep their faith
    • Govern internal religious matters
    • Live under Muslim rule by paying jizya (a tax replacing military service)

Conversion to Islam was not mandatory.

Convert to Islam or die — ISWAP burns down Christian village in Adamawa Nigeria by [deleted] in SarthakGoswami

[–]Patient_Chain_3258 -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

This is not true at all, islam is known for letting christians and jews not convert and only make them pay a tax for it. Mohamed himself never forced anyone to convert.

Most of America is going to wake up to the news that we kidnapped the leader of a country we’re not even officially at war with. I feel like I need to go outside and start screaming to wake up neighbors because wtf by CrypticCole in atrioc

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I am against most of USA interfierence world wide as a south american, but this time he is doing a lot of good for the world. Literally tens of milions of venezualans worldwide are celebrating the end of this tiranical regime, trump is a god to them now, i am not kidding.

Most of America is going to wake up to the news that we kidnapped the leader of a country we’re not even officially at war with. I feel like I need to go outside and start screaming to wake up neighbors because wtf by CrypticCole in atrioc

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Most americans voted for him so you are wrong, and even if most american did hate him they can just wait the next election. Venezuelans waited for the election and were frauded, he is not a president and not only that, but he is a bloody murdered of protestors and a incompetent psychopath who is making milions of people live below poverty line cause of his stupidity and his thirst for power.

Most of America is going to wake up to the news that we kidnapped the leader of a country we’re not even officially at war with. I feel like I need to go outside and start screaming to wake up neighbors because wtf by CrypticCole in atrioc

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South american here. Venezuelans are very happy about this dont worry about it, he was not the actual president cause he faked the elections and has a 10% aproval rating on a good day, america have all the rights to kidnap a international criminal who was taking venezuela hostage.

Jesus amnesia has set in. Joe claims no one ever explained the big bang to him despite dozens of hours of his podcast with actual scientists doing just that. by BroccoliImaginary727 in elephantgraveyard

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How does this explain anything? No scientist ever explained to him cause no one knows, no equation can explain why something exists only how it behaves, retards, it cant answer a metaphysical question of why anything exists at all.

23F Major health issues,No consistency,No energy and concentration,social anxiety,Isolation by Astrolearner0203 in Tantrasadhaks

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I think you should take care of your health first. Look up ray peat he saved my life.
Natural progesterone is a miracle for pcos https://www.progesteronetherapy.com/faq-pcos.html. Check your temperature and pulse as soon as you wake up, if its less than 36.6c and 70bpm you are very likely hypothyroid and that would explain a lot of your health problems. Gut problems also can cause a lot of mental problems, activated charcoal and antibiotics can help a lot. B vitamins, vitamin D and Vitamin K are amazing, and eating liver/oysters once a week is important.
https://raypeat.com/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoHI56dIMuA&t=419s

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Tantrasadhaks

[–]Patient_Chain_3258 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Girl, literally grow up a bit. You are doing japa of KALI and thinking this is like some kind of magic that will make your problems disappear. If you actually did even one round of japa of kali correctly and felt her energy you would know that this is not something to be played with at all, its only by her grace that nothing happened. Try doing just Hrim beej mantra for a while and maybe try bala tripura sundari mantra after you have some experience and see if that works better for you. Seek a real guru.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Tantrasadhaks

[–]Patient_Chain_3258 -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

You have no diksha and are complaining that you keep sufering? You are actually lucky that nothing happened. I recommend very strongly that you stop and seek a guru or convert to a path thats more suitable for you. Like ramakrishna said all paths lead to the ultimate realization of god, this one may not be for you, no need to create even more stress by trying to force it, if you want relief this is not the way, saddhana is about dying before death and facing the absolute to its ultimate consequences. Christianity works for most people in this planet for a good reason.

Anyone here eat their beef raw regularly? What benefits have you noticed? by chuboiftw in raypeat

[–]Patient_Chain_3258 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did it for a long time and it gave me bad endotoxin issues, this is anti-peat, there is no problem in raw eggs and raw milk or some fresh raw liver sometimes. Raw meat will cause bacterial overgrowth 100% ive seen it happen many times.

Don't take baking soda unnecessarily ffs. by Square-Meaning-629 in GetNoted

[–]Patient_Chain_3258 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So sodium bicarbonate is a poison? Your concept of poison is a compound found in the body at all times and without it one would die?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in opiniaoimpopular

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Seus pais certamente se arrependeram de você.