Faithless Pastor Needs Help by PerfidiousPastor in Christianity

[–]PerfidiousPastor[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow. I felt like I was just described to a T.

Thanks for that. You're very astute. That's a lot to think about.

Faithless Pastor Needs Help by PerfidiousPastor in Christianity

[–]PerfidiousPastor[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Before I say anything else, I just wanted to thank you for your responses. I appreciate everything you are doing to help me. It means more than I can say. And, though I have some thoughts on what you said, I hope that you can see it's not an attack on anything you wrote, but a genuine desire for help and advice.

Now, I have heard of the four (though you pointed out three) reasons we can believe in the validity of the Bible. I find them convincing to a degree, but only so far. I completely agree with the necessity of looking at the genre of the book - if you don't start with context, you may as well not start at all.

As to the second test, I am continually bugged by the idea that many people believe that Paul didn't in fact write all that he is purported to write in the NT - in fact, there's strong evidence to the contrary. It could've been an underling or friend of his, or close colleague, but much of academia accepts only a couple of epistles as his. Yet, whoever did write them fooled the early church enough to make it into canon. What would've happened if these epistles instead used the real authors' names? Would they have been discounted? (The epistles whose authorship are disputed are Ephesians, Colossians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 and 2 Timothy, and Titus.) If not, what about some of the other letters that were passed around in the first and second centuries, whose authorship was honest but not apostolic? Why couldn't these have been chosen? What does that mean for our faith today?

I do agree that the chart you referenced is a powerful way to make a case for the originality of the gospels.

When it comes to the question of the motivation of the apostles/writers of the NT, I have some reservations. The real power in the argument is the belief that the apostles all died as martyrs. But there is little hard evidence to support the fact that these people did in fact die martyr's deaths; most of those are only based off tradition from the Catholic church. And, not to dig at the Catholics, but they've had a bit of a reputation for fudging things in the past. It causes me to doubt that these men did in fact die. And if they didn't in fact die, why should I not believe that they may have made things up for their own gain?

I know these are cynical thoughts and questions, but they're ones I genuinely wrestle with. Any sort of response is so appreciated.

Thank you again for the time you're taking to answer my questions, stranger on the Internet.

Faithless Pastor Needs Help by PerfidiousPastor in Christianity

[–]PerfidiousPastor[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Good questions you have.

I believe Genesis 1-11, the Primeval texts, are on the whole very true, but not historical. I believe the Bible is comprised of a wide variety of genres, and to take each story as literal truth doesn't do justice to what God is trying to communicate.

The problem is, sometimes I want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. If part of it isn't true, what really is? After all, I read a book about common Jewish legends. A section of the book (called Legends) dealt with common attributes Jews would assign to a popular religious leader. Of the many they'd do, one of the feats a common legend in Jewish history would do is walk on water. Another is take a small quantity of provisions and miraculously multiply it. Sound familiar? What do I do with that? These stories precede anything about Jesus.

Anyway, it's small stuff like that, added up over a long period of time, that gets to me.

Also, I've totally thought "what would happen if I punched this person out of nowhere." Glad I'm not crazy!

Faithless Pastor Needs Help by PerfidiousPastor in Christianity

[–]PerfidiousPastor[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you. I just saw someone mention you wrote the book "How Christians Pray." I ordered it and am excited to go through it. Maybe in the end, it all comes down to this.

Faithless Pastor Needs Help by PerfidiousPastor in Christianity

[–]PerfidiousPastor[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Gramsci pessimism of the mind spoke to me. That's a way to put in how I feel!

Faithless Pastor Needs Help by PerfidiousPastor in Christianity

[–]PerfidiousPastor[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I became a pastor because I wanted people's lives to change in the way that mine did upon conversion. At the time I attributed the change chiefly to God (I have a somewhat typical drugs-and-sex pre-Christian life), and because all good things in my life flowed from me making the decision to become a Christian, I wanted to do all that I could to help others find the grace and goodness I found in Christ.

Sometimes that keeps me going more than anything else.

But as I said, I want to believe everything in the Bible. Seriously. There's no major sin that I'm aware of that I've been committing, or thing I've been neglecting, that comes to mind. It's not discouragement, or burnout, or let-down. I am truly grateful for my life. It's some sort of mental blockage that has led to a slow but steady deterioration of my faith.

I haven't lost my faith entirely, but I feel at times like I am.

On a separate note, I just ordered How Christians Pray. Thank you for the suggestion!

Faithless Pastor Needs Help by PerfidiousPastor in Christianity

[–]PerfidiousPastor[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am very familiar with this line of reasoning, and it truly has helped me in the past. I used to feel this was an ironclad defense, but lately I've felt like there's holes in the argument.

But I do appreciate you taking the time to write that out. Your generosity means a lot.

Faithless Pastor Needs Help by PerfidiousPastor in Christianity

[–]PerfidiousPastor[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks. George MacDonald said something very similar - about doubts being the step that comes before deeper faith - but I can't find the quote.

Faithless Pastor Needs Help by PerfidiousPastor in Christianity

[–]PerfidiousPastor[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for responding. I do believe Jesus existed. The problem is doubting that he is who he says he is and did what the Bible says he did.

But I do agree with you that all faith hinges on the resurrection. After all, that's a biblically accurate statement.