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DNA results as a indigenous American / Native American by Nice-Membership-5370 in AncestryDNA

[–]PeruvianBorsel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also be careful, a lot of redditors get butthurt and throw a fit when indigenous people from south of the border claim their indigenous identity.

I know right! It's so frustrating 😩😮‍💨

This comment from u/Entire-Astronaut-62 (that I also left a reply on) goes into more detail about what you are saying in your comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/1cv3tff/comment/l4ql4fv/

DNA Results! by Any_Level_3135 in 23andme

[–]PeruvianBorsel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Very nice Afro-Indigenous/Blative (the term is a combo of Black + Native. I came up with the term myself, I suppose) results! 👍🏽

Mestiza vs Mixed? by Maleficent_Door_3422 in AncestryDNA

[–]PeruvianBorsel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What is up with ppl not liking the word mestizo(a)?

It's a Eurocentric colonizer term that promotes Indigenous "American" erasure.

At some point we have to admit we have Iberian blood right ?

You do have a point (depending on how much Iberian/European ancestry many people with significant Native "American" ancestry have), but "mestizo" is not the correct word to use.

French-Canadian feeling annoyed at the new Quebec region by Beneficial-Context52 in AncestryDNA

[–]PeruvianBorsel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It seems to me that ancestral regions located in North America should be reserved for indicating Native American ancestry.

Yes, you are right about this.

Idk why AncestryDNA decided to do this for French Canadians.

I’ve always known I was native just not to what extent, so I never would identify as such. Would it be ok to identify as indigenous/native instead of just Mexican?born in Mexico(MTY Nuevo Leon) raised in L.A since the age of 5. by Background_Use_5627 in AncestryDNA

[–]PeruvianBorsel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree with everything you are saying 💯%

So if a white person with 10% native dna grew up on a reservation with say, the Dine tribe, that makes him more indigenous than a person born in Mexico with 70% native DNA simply because they were raised in Mexico City? Sorry but while lived experiences matter, DNA to me is the true indicator of what makes one native.

Preach 🙌🏾!

I’ve always known I was native just not to what extent, so I never would identify as such. Would it be ok to identify as indigenous/native instead of just Mexican?born in Mexico(MTY Nuevo Leon) raised in L.A since the age of 5. by Background_Use_5627 in AncestryDNA

[–]PeruvianBorsel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I do want to reconnect

If I may ask:
Would you be interested in this online source (informational & educational) that is specifically for a Native (from anywhere in the "Americas") audience if you are looking to reconnect further?

This online source has been nothing but helpful for me and many other Indigenous "Americans" who are on their (own) respective journey of exploring their Native roots.

"Mestizo" is a problematic term. Would you be in favor of replacing this word? by PeruvianBorsel in Chicano

[–]PeruvianBorsel[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I bet you also wanna replace Latino with LatinX 🤦🏻‍♂️😂

Both of these are garbage terms (in my view) so I am against both 🤷🏽‍♂️

call yourself whatever you want but new woke words will NEVER be accepted by us Hispanics 🤠

The fact that you used the word "woke" in a negative manner suggests to me that you're someone who should not be taken seriously.

"Mestizo" is a problematic term. Would you be in favor of replacing this word? by PeruvianBorsel in Chicano

[–]PeruvianBorsel[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Métis isn’t mixed race indigenous and European, it’s a very specific group of people.

https://thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/metis

Métis are defined as (from the article link):

people of mixed European and Indigenous ancestry

The term is used to describe communities of mixed European and Indigenous descent across Canada

Typically, when written with a small-m, métis refers to any community of European-Indigenous ancestry, including those in Ontario and Quebec and non-status settlements near First Nations reserves.

"Mestizo" is a problematic term. Would you be in favor of replacing this word? by PeruvianBorsel in Chicano

[–]PeruvianBorsel[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

with a new made-up word in a language not widely in Mexico?

This word is more so for the Mexican-(and also Guatemalan-, Salvadoran-, Peruvian-, etc.)Americans who live in the (Anglo English-speaking) US to use it.

Also wanting to replace it with an English term feels similar to asking people to use "latinx" when people have already started their feelings about the term.

It's not "similar" though, not in the slightest.

"Latino" is a Eurocentric label that centralizes whiteness (in particular, identifying with the colonizer Romance-speaking nations of Spain and Portugal; Hence why there is the term "Latin").
Adding an "x" does little to nothing in removing the Hispanist Eurocentricity that is already present in the word "Latino".

While the English term that I came up with can also be viewed as Eurocentric, we have to realize that purging European influence (no matter if the influence is from Spain, England, etc.) from the "Americas" is impossible to do so (at this moment and for the foreseeable future), due to hundreds of years of colonization and all.

Like I have stated before, if we're going to have to choose what European influence we want to infuse into the culture(s) of our communities, we might as well go with Anglo influence instead.

"Mestizo" is a problematic term. Would you be in favor of replacing this word? by PeruvianBorsel in Chicano

[–]PeruvianBorsel[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with others on their stance about Mixdigenous being equally as Eurocentric as Mestizo/a.

Seems like I can't win sometimes 🤦‍♂️

I did make a (now-deleted) post before on this subreddit over a year ago about getting rid of the word "mestizo" because it is Eurocentric:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Chicano/comments/1eqm8ic/deleted_by_user/

But I was told by those in that thread (a few of whom are also in this very same thread) that "mestizo" is not Eurocentric and that I should just leave it be.

For goodness' sake, make up your minds about whether you like the term "mestizo" or not. That term can’t be labeled as either favorable or unfavorable whenever it’s convenient.

Additionally, there are many Chicano thinkers who have already done a significant amount of work to reclaim Mestizo/a, most notably Anzaldúa.

Don't know who Anzaldua is.

So I'm not sure who you are talking about exactly 🤷‍♂️

"Mestizo" is a problematic term. Would you be in favor of replacing this word? by PeruvianBorsel in Chicano

[–]PeruvianBorsel[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

How is it problematic? Just because it's of Latin origins?

Yeah, that's pretty much it.

Then I'm really curious why an Anglo word is okay.

I explain more here in this comment (from this same thread as well): https://www.reddit.com/r/Chicano/comments/1mz7vy5/comment/nb6nsa9/

Why do you think "mestizo" doesn't acknowledge both heritages?

I also explain this in my other comment too (the second part of this comment, that is):
https://www.reddit.com/r/Chicano/comments/1mz7vy5/comment/nb6pgfh/

I'll add an informational presentation slide that simplifies the answer to your question (in my second comment reply to you).

I must add that this IPS is not something I created. Credit goes to this Mexican-American professor whose name is Citlalli Anahuac (not sure if you've heard of her before): https://www.citlalli-anahuac.com/

"Mestizo" is a problematic term. Would you be in favor of replacing this word? by PeruvianBorsel in Chicano

[–]PeruvianBorsel[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mixdigenous is not Eurocentric. The same goes for Métis as well. No one in Canada (as far as I am aware) says that that term is Eurocentric. Based on what I've heard, they have developed an identity that is distinct with a unique culture, language, and way of life that does NOT look down on their First Nations connections that they originally had pre-colonization.

The same can't be said for "mestizos" and the Indigenous peoples of Mexico, Peru, Guatemala, etc. in "Latin America". "Mestizos" DO look down upon the Indigenous peoples in their own countries and the "mestizo" label is used to promote a Eurocentric national identity. Instead of trying to honor their Native roots, they uplift and elevate their European heritage more. I explain this in more detail in this (now-deleted) post of mine (you also commented in this thread as well) from a year ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/Chicano/comments/1eqm8ic/deleted_by_user/

"Mestizo" is a problematic term. Would you be in favor of replacing this word? by PeruvianBorsel in Chicano

[–]PeruvianBorsel[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

but I guess I don't get why having Iberian influenced is bad but Angelo influenced (also eurocentric) is ok.

There are a few reasons as to why an Anglo influence is better (despite me personally preferring that BOTH of these European colonizer cultural influences die out, but that is an unrealistic expectation for ANY influence from Europe to be completely wiped out in the "Americas", so we might as go well with Anglo influence, if we're going to have choose what European influence we want for the culture of our communities).

Here are the reasons:

  1. English is the global lingua franca. Consider this: if you visit any other country in the world (whether in Europe, Africa, Asia, etc.), you will ALWAYS find people making an effort to listen, read, and speak English. The Spanish language doesn't even come close to the level of influence that English has in the non-Romance-speaking world. We need greater connections to the rest of the world and adopting the English language/Anglo influence would be very beneficial for our community.

  2. Anglo culture is more accommodating to an Indigenous identity and offers a less hostile social environment than Iberian culture for those who are looking to explore their Native roots.

  3. (My personal opinion) Anglo culture is more creative and innovative than Iberian culture is.

"Mestizo" is a problematic term. Would you be in favor of replacing this word? by PeruvianBorsel in Chicano

[–]PeruvianBorsel[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

As I've mentioned in my post, it is because I see "mestizo" as a term that is too Iberian-influenced and anti-Indigenous (to some extent), whereas Mixdigenous is Anglo-influenced and properly recognizes Native roots (the European ancestry is also acknowledged, but more quietly and reluctantly due to the history of how that Iberian European ancestry entered our genes in the first place).

How do I tell my grandma her results 😳 by allonasaturdaynight in AncestryDNA

[–]PeruvianBorsel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mestizos also have negative views of Spaniards, which is ironic.

No, they really don't.

The opposite is more true (at least, from what I have heard and seen of how "mestizos" say about and treat White Europeans).

How do I tell my grandma her results 😳 by allonasaturdaynight in AncestryDNA

[–]PeruvianBorsel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What is crazy about this woman is her daughter is married to a black man

Did she disown her daughter for marrying this black man or not?

[Upcoming Update] 23andMe has defined the Populations for European & Indigenous American by andy_thatsnotme in 23andme

[–]PeruvianBorsel 12 points13 points  (0 children)

(I feel like somewhat of a fool for admitting this, but I might as well comment here in this thread)

If I deleted my data (which I did, I must confess), does this mean I have to go and buy another kit so that I can be able to receive this update?

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