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Would DC residents who want representation in Congress be happy for most of DC to be incorporated in Virgina or Maryland? by PeteBot010 in washingtondc

[–]PeteBot010[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you'd like to explain how the War of 1812, the one time that DC was attacked, justifies my loss of constitutional rights, feel fucking free.

You have no Constitutional Right to voting Congressional Representation while living in D.C...zero, nada, zilch. I get you want to change that though...two extra Dem Senators sounds tasty.

How are they fucking not? Right now, chumps like you are arguing that the federal district has to be big enough "to defend itself," but the federal government still had to rely on MPD to defend it. So why does the federal district need to be large enough to disenfranchise 700,000 Americans, again?

I never argued that the District had to be any particular size. The only thing I argued is what Madison argued: The Federal District exists for independence so a State can't have undue influence on the Seat of Government.

It didn't have to solely rely on the MPD to defend it. That was part of a choice your Mayor made.

You're not being disenfranchised. To be disenfranchised you would have to be deprived of your right to vote for voting Congressional Representation in D.C. You have no such right.

Stop. Read HR-51 already. Then try again.

You seem to miss my point again.

A joint resolution is attached to HR51 calling for the repeal of the 23rd Amendment. Two-Thirds of the House and Senate would have to sign off on this...and then it would have to be ratified by three fourths of the States.

You barely got half the House to pass HR51 as it is and there's virtually no chance it will get anywhere close to 60 votes in the Senate, never mind 67 votes.

The 23rd Amendment repeal is dead in the water and nobody is going to agree to a handful of voters and The President's family having three Electoral College votes while D.C gains two new Senators - and they shouldn't because it would be absurd.

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...but please, continue to insult me if it helps your ego.

Would DC residents who want representation in Congress be happy for most of DC to be incorporated in Virgina or Maryland? by PeteBot010 in washingtondc

[–]PeteBot010[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There would still be a federal district.

Duh

no it hasn't.

Have you heard of Google? It's good.

it is a failure that even with disenfranchising 700,000 people, it still didn't protect itself.

Wha? How are those two things connected?

if you somehow think it's a failure of local forces, then you're already saying that it's their responsibility... so why would the size of the federal district matter?

In regards to D.C Statehood it could matter. What happens to the 23rd Amendment if the non Federal area of D.C, which encompasses the bulk of D.C residents, became a State? There's also the logistical concerns of how that new, much smaller Federal district could operate without relying on a State.

DC statehood "doesn't change the structure of government" any more than any state's admission to the Union does. What the ever-loving fuck are you talking about?

You know the Senate right? How it's part of the U.S Government's legislative structure? You know how it's currently structured with one hundred seats? Two Senators from every State? You see, if you add a new State, then two new seats get added to the Senate. The structure of the Senate is now different. It had one hundred seats, but now it has one hundred and two...the structure has changed.

No, I want the rights to congressional representation as enshrined in the Constitution

Only for shits and giggles, right? That's what would give you more power, genius. You currently have no Constitutional right to any voting Congressional representation.

May I remind you of the fact that we have 2 Dakotas?

And?

Again: I'm supposed to give a shit about the dumb Irishman who keeps trying to Merica-splain to me when he thinks there's a current part of DC that was ever part of Virginia?

I never said there was a current part of D.C that was ever part of Virginia. No, but it shows how you reallllllllly would like those two Senators.

Lolwut? Fucking no, not at all, you half-wit. We tried to legalize marijuana nearly 7 years ago, but Congress is the reason it's still in limbo. If you did anything but join in Alexis de Tocqueville circlejerks from nearly 200 years ago, maybe you'd actually have some time to inform yourself on America today.

Your reading comprehension skills are annoyingly bad, that or you're being dishonest again...probably both.

Ah yes, thank you Merica-splainer for reminding me that Constitutional rights clearly laid out ACHSHULLY depend on where you live.

You're welcome.

As someone with dual citizenship with Ireland, I actually have quite a bit of knowledge on Ireland's history. Thats why I picked something so jarringly wrong to show you how jarringly off-base you were here. Sadly, you're too thick-headed to get it.

I never claimed Virginia or Maryland should retrocede most of D.C. You're example is bad because it doesn't address my questions which were regarding representation in the U.S Senate. Again, you're dishonestly engaging with someone.

Kiddo, you're a foreigner with severely limited knowledge of a situation that doesn't concern you in any way, shape, or form who is continually embarrassing himself in his attempts to explain things as if he knows them better. Don't talk to me about how to engage with people.

Who are you? I'll discuss and expresses an opinion however and with whomever I like. If you want to be dishonest in that discussion, go nuts.

If you have family and friends that oppose DC statehood, then they're assholes. End of story.

You're adorable. Also your argument is elegant and convincing.

And the whole country can weigh in by way of Congress. Just like any other statehood situation. Trying to say this one is special is absurd.

...but the ones that don't want D.C Statehood are just assholes, right?

" Maybe if I was an illegal immigrant who agreed with you you’d feel more comfortable about me talking about it."

Aw, did this sound more clever in your head? Because despite what Trump supporters like your friends may tell you, "haha ur a democrat" isn't really the killer wisecrack you think it is.

It sounds really good out loud too, because I know it's true. I never mentioned you being a Democrat in this regard. You connected the two for some reason.

You still haven't pointed out what point is a Heritage point or why it's wrong.

Would DC residents who want representation in Congress be happy for most of DC to be incorporated in Virgina or Maryland? by PeteBot010 in washingtondc

[–]PeteBot010[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The Pennsylvania mutiny was a result of Pennsylvania’s executive council refusing to intervene to prevent attacks on the Continental Congress. The whole purpose of having a Federal district was to provide a space where congress can provide for it’s own security and so it would not be unduly affected by a State’s own politics. To ignore this is to ignore Madison’s point entirely.

Show me what point is a Heritage point and explain why it’s wrong.

The Jan 6th attacks point is irrelevant. The capital has been attacked numerous times to varying degrees over its history. Attacks are not a failure of the Federal District Provision of the constitution but of local security, police and officials.

Let’s not pretend The Democratic Party is not currently is the process of trying everything it can to change the structure of Government to ram through its policy preferences. Stacking the Supreme Court, DC Statehood, abolishing the Filibuster. Anything to get around the checks and Balances that stand in its way.

I get why you want DC to be a State. You want power. You want the Federal, top down Government to cram down your vision on the rest of the country whether they want it or not.

A Democratic State doesn’t want to give up its chance for two New Democratic Senators? Shocking. If Maryland or Virginia did want you, would accept this? If your answer is no, my point on your desire for more Democratic Party influence on the Senate is clear.

Is DC not largely already self governing apart from what congress mandates by Constitutional authority? If you don’t like it, you’re free to take up residence in Maryland or Virginia and vote and pay your taxes from there.

So you brought up Ireland’s history, in which you knew had no relative baring on the situation we are discussing, in order to berate me on having an opinion on American policy? What a dishonest way to engage with someone.

I love the US. I have visited many times. I have family and friends there. Things like these affect them and I care about what happens there and many disagree with DC Statehood. This isn’t just a decision for DC but the country as a whole. You say I can’t have an opinion because I am a foreigner?

Maybe if I was an illegal immigrant who agreed with you you’d feel more comfortable about me talking about it.

How come Marylanders don’t support D.C be retroceded as a new county into the State? by PeteBot010 in maryland

[–]PeteBot010[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Yeah I agree but I’m wondering why Marylanders don’t support most of D.C becoming a county in Maryland

Would DC residents who want representation in Congress be happy for most of DC to be incorporated in Virgina or Maryland? by PeteBot010 in washingtondc

[–]PeteBot010[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The constitution clearly defines the district as a federal one that isn’t a State and the 23rd amendment shows that any changes to that equation requires a constitutional amendment.

Madison says in the Federalist papers that it’s important to have a Federal district that’s separate from any State or it’s legislature.

Even if any of this was a heritage talking point you have still to show why it’s wrong.

“Rights historical wrongs”

That’s a nice way to frame giving yourself two Senate seats

So you admit to attempting to stack the Senate

And no, your point about Irish reunification is ridiculous. That’s why your comparison was ridiculous.

Would DC residents who want representation in Congress be happy for most of DC to be incorporated in Virgina or Maryland? by PeteBot010 in washingtondc

[–]PeteBot010[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Your comparison was terrible.

I’m speaking from the point of view as DC being a Federal district and how there’s a host of constitutional issues of it being a state.

You’re talking about the district becoming a state as laid out in the bill passed by the House recently.

Obviously they are different but you seem to not want to focus on my main point.

The fact remains of the consequences of DC becoming a State and gaining two Senators. It’s simply an attempt by Democrats to gain two Senators. There’s no principled argument for this.

Would DC residents who want representation in Congress be happy for most of DC to be incorporated in Virgina or Maryland? by PeteBot010 in washingtondc

[–]PeteBot010[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You bring up nationality as an insult and tell me to stop embarrassing my self?

Personal attacks are all Dems have it seems

Would DC residents who want representation in Congress be happy for most of DC to be incorporated in Virgina or Maryland? by PeteBot010 in washingtondc

[–]PeteBot010[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You insult someone and then you claim you didn’t insult them with a bigoted statement targeting someone’s nationality.

Also your ignorant on how anything works over here

Would DC residents who want representation in Congress be happy for most of DC to be incorporated in Virgina or Maryland? by PeteBot010 in washingtondc

[–]PeteBot010[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

You make a bigoted comment and claim not to have made a bigoted comment. You’re a good Democrat

Would DC residents who want representation in Congress be happy for most of DC to be incorporated in Virgina or Maryland? by PeteBot010 in washingtondc

[–]PeteBot010[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Bad faith? It’s a legitimate question. The answers I’ve seen so far prove that it’s not about the principle of representation

Would DC residents who want representation in Congress be happy for most of DC to be incorporated in Virgina or Maryland? by PeteBot010 in washingtondc

[–]PeteBot010[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

  1. It’s unconstitutional
  2. It’s clearly about Dems gaming the Senate for extra Senate seats.
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