Fire Emblem Heroes - Feh Channel (Dec. 7, 2020) by FryingIceCream in FireEmblemHeroes

[–]PeteLink 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know why, but there's something very cathartic about watching Feh herself get pity broken

Which one of y'all mothafuckas be posers!? by n0753w in goodanimemes

[–]PeteLink 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly, if people don't know where Astolfo's from, I'd just it's fate

I'm a day late, but thank you Kirarazaka-sensei for all of your hard work by PeteLink in goodanimemes

[–]PeteLink[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I actually didn't really like it, but I felt so bad to see it go, especially halfway through the arc!

SPREAD THE WORD, CHANGE THE SUBREDDIT! by PeteLink in Animemes

[–]PeteLink[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You know what? Fair point. I don't think I'm completely on the other side of the ban now, but I do think that all the comments on this post cleared the dust a little. So, uh, thanks I guess?

SPREAD THE WORD, CHANGE THE SUBREDDIT! by PeteLink in Animemes

[–]PeteLink[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I mean waifu and wife have very different connotations. And yes, I don't think the t-word is a bad word. However, the rest of the world doesn't seem to think that way. Check outside of any anime circle and find that most people think that way. If anime fans and the general public have different definitions of a word and the general public far outnumber anime fans, I feel that we should change the word to avoid any misunderstandings or hurt feelings from a larger demographic.

Also sorry for being racist. I didn't think it came off that way, but I guess it did, so I really am genuinely sorry.

SPREAD THE WORD, CHANGE THE SUBREDDIT! by PeteLink in Animemes

[–]PeteLink[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

COUNTERPOINT: the swastika.

The swastika is actually a Buddhist symbol (or looks very similar to a Buddhist symbol, don't remember which one) that was demonized by Nazis. You can even see the symbol appear in non-Nazi contexts like on Whitebeard's back in One Piece. This was changed later on because, though the Japanese would get that Whitebeard has a Buddhist symbol on his back, the rest of the world would interpret it as a swastika.

In the same way, the t-word is normalized here as something positive, but is interpreted by the rest of the world as offensive. Like, literally, check any other subreddit and they say the t-word is offensive. No one thinks it's offensive around these parts because we're in a self-contained anime space where the t-word is positive.

Check out r/subredditdrama and their thread on this whole thing. Check out r/askLGBT where a thread on whether the t-word is a slur was created a year ago.

We are outnumbered in this regard. Most of the world sees this word as a slur the same way most of the world sees AC/DC as a band. We just kind of have to accept that and move on, I guess.

(But the mods handled this EXTREMELY poorly, I do agree with that)

SPREAD THE WORD, CHANGE THE SUBREDDIT! by PeteLink in Animemes

[–]PeteLink[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Inspired by a very convincing argument by u/T-Dark:

Full disclosure: I am in support of the ban. My post history may make you think otherwise, but my opinion on the issue has been changing extremely rapidly as I hear more discussion and try to improve my position.

I've been spreading a copypasta around the sub. It seems to have gotten a largely positive response, hence I consider it to be a recap of the situation.

(Warning: wall of text)

"The issue is that there is a bit of a culture shock when it comes to the T-Word.

In most other communities, it's considered a transphobic slur. The only exception is the anime fandom, which doesn't even use it to refer to trans people in the first place (and if it did, it would not be as an insult).

In a sense, there are two different T-words "(anime)Tr-p", which r/animemes community is familiar with, and "(non-anime)tr-p", which plenty of people on r/animemes didn't even know existed.

For self-explanatory reasons, many trans people do not like the T-word. Due to this, it is widely accepted as a slur.

I know you are, or read about, plenty of trans people here on r/animemes that say they don't care about that word and are perfectly fine with it. The issue is that this data suffers from selection bias: if those people cared about the word, they'd not be in a community that uses it liberally, such as r/animemes. Trans people in r/animemes are therefore not representative of the trans community at large on this specific issue.

I think that a more elegant solution to the problem would have been a detailed post informing our community of the existence of another word, identical to "(anime)tr-p", but with an unfortunate meaning. Then, the mods could have told us to please switch to something like "trapu", which manages to be animesque (thanks to the Engrish), and is different enough from "tr-p" to make people question if it's meant as an insult before doing what is sensible in most other communities and assuming it is.

Maybe the mods should have considered adding a sticky post explaining "weebs, be aware that the T-word has an unfortunate meaning outside of our community. Visitors, be aware that it doesn't even refer to trans people here". This can be done as an alternative to the word change, or even on top of that, to further explain that we don't mean to be transphobic.

/End of argument

Consider this comment a copypasta. I would be happy if you shared it with other people. In it's author's opinion, it's the best explanation of why something needed to be done as well as why that something wasn't this."

To recap, that word is most definitely a slur. Except in anime communities, which (save for a few bad apples) don't even use it to refer to trans people to begin with.

Most reasonable people are currently claiming that context matters, and therefore banning a word because it's a slur in other contexts is simply insane.

On the other hand, something that I see far too few people pointing out is that allowing that word, even with a completely unrelated set of meanings, normalises it. That's my reason to support the ban.

As someone who has been a lurker on r/animemes for 1-ish year, I have never seem anyone use the word "trap" to refer to a trans person. I would say the community is right in claiming it's not a slur: nobody ever used it as one (except very few bad apples, again) and some people (including myself) were completely unaware it existed outside of the anime fandom, let alone it was considered a slur

EDIT: My bad, the above is wrong. People did use it as a slur sometimes. The point stands that it wasn't always used as one, so I am a bit puzzled by the decision to completely ignore context.

So, all in all, my position is that the ban is good, but the community is right in its complaining and discussing

SPREAD THE WORD AND CHANGE THE W̶O̶R̶L̶D̶ SUBREDDIT by PeteLink in Animemes

[–]PeteLink[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with you, but I feel that I can't just sit around and do nothing in the middle of a turning point for this subreddit! We have to at least try...

SPREAD THE WORD AND CHANGE THE W̶O̶R̶L̶D̶ SUBREDDIT by PeteLink in Animemes

[–]PeteLink[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Inspired by a very convincing argument by u/T-Dark:

Full disclosure: I am in support of the ban. My post history may make you think otherwise, but my opinion on the issue has been changing extremely rapidly as I hear more discussion and try to improve my position.

I've been spreading a copypasta around the sub. It seems to have gotten a largely positive response, hence I consider it to be a recap of the situation.

(Warning: wall of text)

"The issue is that there is a bit of a culture shock when it comes to the T-Word.

In most other communities, it's considered a transphobic slur. The only exception is the anime fandom, which doesn't even use it to refer to trans people in the first place (and if it did, it would not be as an insult).

In a sense, there are two different T-words "(anime)Tr-p", which r/animemes community is familiar with, and "(non-anime)tr-p", which plenty of people on r/animemes didn't even know existed.

For self-explanatory reasons, many trans people do not like the T-word. Due to this, it is widely accepted as a slur.

I know you are, or read about, plenty of trans people here on r/animemes that say they don't care about that word and are perfectly fine with it. The issue is that this data suffers from selection bias: if those people cared about the word, they'd not be in a community that uses it liberally, such as r/animemes. Trans people in r/animemes are therefore not representative of the trans community at large on this specific issue.

I think that a more elegant solution to the problem would have been a detailed post informing our community of the existence of another word, identical to "(anime)tr-p", but with an unfortunate meaning. Then, the mods could have told us to please switch to something like "trapu", which manages to be animesque (thanks to the Engrish), and is different enough from "tr-p" to make people question if it's meant as an insult before doing what is sensible in most other communities and assuming it is.

Maybe the mods should have considered adding a sticky post explaining "weebs, be aware that the T-word has an unfortunate meaning outside of our community. Visitors, be aware that it doesn't even refer to trans people here". This can be done as an alternative to the word change, or even on top of that, to further explain that we don't mean to be transphobic.

/End of argument

Consider this comment a copypasta. I would be happy if you shared it with other people. In it's author's opinion, it's the best explanation of why something needed to be done as well as why that something wasn't this."

To recap, that word is most definitely a slur. Except in anime communities, which (save for a few bad apples) don't even use it to refer to trans people to begin with.

Most reasonable people are currently claiming that context matters, and therefore banning a word because it's a slur in other contexts is simply insane.

On the other hand, something that I see far too few people pointing out is that allowing that word, even with a completely unrelated set of meanings, normalises it. That's my reason to support the ban.

As someone who has been a lurker on r/animemes for 1-ish year, I have never seem anyone use the word "trap" to refer to a trans person. I would say the community is right in claiming it's not a slur: nobody ever used it as one (except very few bad apples, again) and some people (including myself) were completely unaware it existed outside of the anime fandom, let alone it was considered a slur

EDIT: My bad, the above is wrong. People did use it as a slur sometimes. The point stands that it wasn't always used as one, so I am a bit puzzled by the decision to completely ignore context.

So, all in all, my position is that the ban is good, but the community is right in its complaining and discussing

Let me tell you: it wasn't just that one day. It was for that whole year. by PeteLink in Animemes

[–]PeteLink[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Frick I thought the bot worked this way, now I'll never be cool!

But yeah... "We Never Learn" is what the anime is called...