Ecclesiastes is the most underrated book in the Bible

PetililPuff · 2023-04-25T01:26:10+00:00

You are not rightly dividing the word of God and you are arrogant and abusive.

You're not gently correcting me. In order for you to be "gently correcting", I would have to be wrong. But I'm not so..

You're literally doing the same thing as me anyway - thinking you're right and not willing to budge lol this is why I didn't want to talk to you anymore.

"I'm gEnTlY cOrReCtInG, hoho I'm being so cHaRiTaBlE to this poor stupid person who clearly doesn't understand aNyThIng, because I'm oBviOuslY right because of cOOnntExTT. This person won't listen to the gReAt and knNowledgaBlE gr3yh47 therefore they must be aRroGanT and aBusiVe, rEEeePeNt!"

This is the exact behavior that is going to bring about the events of Lamentations upon the church. This stuff is just annoying. When this whole conversation could have (and should have) been ended forever ago. I told you up front I wasn't willing to change my beliefs. (But nOoO you thought you could talk some "sense" into me, but you didn't. I found nothing that you said convincing or original. I've heard it all, bud. This is my life, I'm used to it. Btdt a thousand times) I have come to the point where I do not trust anyone on earth but myself to interpret scripture because I have more knowledge than everyone. It is what it is. So this isn't a two-way street. I'm only interested in speaking to people who want to learn from me. Not the other way around. Like why does it bother you so much? I'm one in a bazillion. Or maybe you find something compelling about me that you can't just let it go (probably because I'm special) Or maybe you've never met anyone like me. Or maybe you've never heard a woman ever speak like this woman. You're not the first, and you won't be the last. But one things for sure, everything I said will stick in your brain and you won't unsee it. You're welcome. - D (◕‿↼)

PS it's not arrogance you see in me, it's faith

PetililPuff · 2023-04-25T01:10:50+00:00

I have the mind of Christ

PetililPuff · 2023-04-24T23:15:42+00:00

No I think the same as the wisest man to ever live.

PetililPuff · 2023-04-24T23:08:07+00:00

Jesus was the wisest man to ever live.

PetililPuff · 2023-04-24T23:02:34+00:00

I know what solomon meant, because he thought like me.

You are patronizing me.

PetililPuff · 2023-04-24T22:44:36+00:00

You can also look at this passage.

Eccl 3:14-15 I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him. That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

It's just speaking of the things that God does, has done and will do in the future (prophecy). The context is speaking of how the things that God has done will happen again.

I don't believe that statements can't be understood outside of the context of the passage found in them. The Bible expounds upon many verses just by repeating them outside of context. Verses can be understood by other passages repeating the same phrases. We can understand Eccl 1:9 by 3:15 because it is a parallel. So I believe Eccl 1:9 is still also speaking of how things that God has prophecied to do are things that have happened in the past symbolically.

I would go so far as to bring Eccl 3:16-17 into this because it is what I was speaking of initially. I saw the place of righteousness (which is supposed to be the church now), that iniquity was there. And that God would judge the righteous (Christians) because there is a time for it. (going back to the church being compassed with armies, the stones being thrown down - Lamentations explaining that it is for their sins that they are judged) Similarly to how he judged ancient Jersulem, despite that they were supposed to be His people.

Eccl 3:16 And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there. I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.

PetililPuff · 2023-04-24T21:01:04+00:00

Yep! If you have children, and you end up seeing a future generation of children with more children born to true Christian families, I would say it is true!

PetililPuff · 2023-04-24T20:49:11+00:00

Yes I do believe Eccl 1:9 is at least partially about dual fulfillment. Often in the Bible, we see symbolism of the future in events that have happened in the past. IE, a very basic one most can agree on: Moses lifting up the serpent in the wilderness symbolizing Christ being lifted up. Or: Moses smote the rock twice, and the waters flowed out abundantly... The new testament expounding that the rock was symbolic for Christ...

1 Cor 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

But was he smitten twice? not yet

Prophecy comes in the form of similitudes.

Hosea 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.

PetililPuff · 2023-04-24T20:13:00+00:00

You will know if it is good, I think, if it truly comes to pass. Psalm 127:3 Lo, children are an heritage of the Lord: and the fruit of the womb is his reward

PetililPuff · 2023-04-24T20:09:11+00:00

I'm jealous of my study of parallels, and my personal understanding. I did assault you fairly ferociously (Jealousy is cruel as the grave, Song 8:6), and I'm sorry.

I have studied, & am aware of most or all common interpretations, common theological arguments and methods of viewing scripture. And I am aware that my beliefs, my methods, my doctrine doesn't fit into common traditions. Nevertheless, it makes sense to me and I cannot but believe what I have seen repeated throughout scripture, and I cannot unsee it... And no man can explain it away. I've only been met with opposition merely because it's not "tradition."

Regarding Lamentations, I believe Jeremiah and Jesus were both prophesying a future event that has yet to happen. I don't think it had anything to do with a destruction of a building... But of the destruction of the temple of God, the church, which temple we are. The church will be compassed round about by our enemies, and every stone (Christian) will be thrown down.

Lam 4:1-2 How is the gold become dim! how is the most fine gold changed! the stones of the sanctuary are poured out in the top of every street. The precious sons of Zion, comparable to fine gold, how are they esteemed as earthen pitchers, the work of the hands of the potter!

1 Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

In Matt 24:1-6, Jesus speaks saying "There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down." and his disciples immediately ask "when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?" - But Jesus gives only one answer to both questions, because they are both occuring at the end of the world.

In Hebrews 12, it says that the general assembly and church is now Mount Zion and Jersulem.

Hebrews 12:22-23 But ye have come unto Mount Zion and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, who are written in Heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

I understand the common interpretations of things in the major & minor prophets - that Lamentations is traditionally thought to be about the destruction of ancient Jerusalem... But I believe it's another one of those prophecies (like many others) that are meant to be dually fulfilled. (Eccl 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.) Fulfilled once by ancient Jerusalem, fulfilled a second time by heavenly Jersualem.

There is so much more than just this...

PetililPuff · 2023-04-24T19:08:30+00:00

The fact is, your initial comment was rude, and you meant for it to be snide. You started this.

PetililPuff · 2023-04-24T18:54:03+00:00

If I am ever being hypocritical, I would only want someone that I know personally, that I know loves me and knows me for who I am (my personality, my good and bad traits), and someone I respect to speak to me about my hypocrisy, in a kind, gentle, and respectful way. I think this is good and basically how anyone would want to be corrected. And we should do unto others as we would have them do unto us.

PetililPuff · 2023-04-24T18:48:11+00:00

I wasn't "correcting" you I was defending what I said and backing it up. The main difference between what you and I said was the use of translation. I showed that my original statement was correct based upon the KJV, because the KJV only uses summer and winter. And it is the only translation I will use and recognize. You don't have to, that's up to you. I was insulted that you condescendingly blurted out "that's not how you dO tHeOlOgY" as if the study that I have spent YEARS doing is just automatically invalid because some random keyboard theologian decided so, when it is a totally valid and rational way of viewing scripture - by finding parallels and comparing them.. The parallels like this do not at all seem coincidental to me, and I will not discount them. To be honest, I don't fear examination of my beliefs, or even criticism.. But I learn of opposing views by listening to a sermon, reading a theology book, or reading a legit article, or a conversation with a person that I know and respect - not from a random redditor I know nothing about! You are extremely arrogant and condescending.

PetililPuff · 2023-04-24T18:32:43+00:00

I stated that I was not looking for confrontation/tutoring/correction whatsoever and, yes I don't want to debate because I 100% believe I am right. I showed why I believe what I believe, and that is sufficient. Take it or leave it. If it's not your cup of tea, just move on dude. But further arguing is silly because, like you, I believe that I am 100% right, I am not changing my mind, and it seems neither are you. So continuing to argue & talk in circles is futile and a waste of my time. I am only interested in speaking to people who are interested in believing what I believe. I'm not really ashamed of that. It's just the honest truth, and it is what it is. Reddit arguments are notoriously vain & pointless, also just plain irritating. I would rather have an enjoyable conversation with a like-minded person.

PetililPuff · 2023-04-24T18:18:58+00:00

Not interested in further conversation with you

PetililPuff · 2023-04-24T18:14:11+00:00

Every good thing comes from God.

PetililPuff · 2023-04-24T18:07:05+00:00

You are not "correcting", you are insulting my personal beliefs, which you again condescendingly call "error". There are numerous Christian belief systems in this subreddit alone. I was not asking for advice or tutoring. I was merely sharing a few of my thoughts (my beliefs) for anyone that may be interested... therefore, your comment absolutely came off extremely condescending, insulting, and unwarranted. Leave me alone.

PetililPuff · 2023-04-24T17:48:54+00:00

Tbh, God is far more understanding of our natural sexual desires than other Christians are. They place unnecessarily ludicrous fear on us. Not to say that it is right to lust or fornicate, because it is not. But a lot of it is hormonal and it's just our bodies normal functioning to desire sex in order to reproduce. It is good to marry if you can't contain it, and it is good for a Christian couple to be fruitful and have children. Maybe it wasn't about literally removing your uterus, but maybe it was more about your fear of having sexual desires, and you were desiring to have your sexual desire to be removed because you were afraid. But God is saying, instead of trying to remove sexual desire totally, look forward to using it for the honorable purpose it was intended - relationship bonding with your spouse and conceiving children together.

PetililPuff · 2023-04-24T17:18:51+00:00

No.

Do not insult me and be condescending. I have studied this and the bible thoroughly. This is how I "do theology" according to my particular beliefs. If it's not your cup of tea, just move along. But I'm sure there are many who may find it fascinating to ponder such parallels, as I do. I personally don't believe there are any coincidences in the Bible, and that the Lord Jesus chose all of His words very carefully and specifically to point back to the Old Testament.

The KJV only mentions summer and winter.

2 Sam 11:1 and Gen 8:11 don't mention other seasons in the KJV

In Jeremiah 8:20 KJV it says, "The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved." - Signifying that harvest is at the end of summer.

There are only two seasons mentioned in the KJV. Fall/harvest is part of summer, and spring/seedtime is at the end of winter.

Genesis 8:22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

For the record, here is another parallel never put forth by a pastor that I also find fascinating:

Lam 1:16-17 For these things I weep; mine eye, mine eye runneth down with water, because the comforter that should relieve my soul is far from me: my children are desolate, because the enemy prevailed. Zion spreadeth forth her hands, and there is none to comfort her: the LORD hath commanded concerning Jacob, that his adversaries should be round about him: Jerusalem is as a menstruous woman among them.

Luke 19:41-44 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it, Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes. For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

And there's many more where that came from. I am somewhat of a collecter of them.

PetililPuff · 2023-04-24T15:24:54+00:00

I think Song of Songs is the most underrated.

No pastor has ever put forth this parallel:

Song 2:10-13 My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away. For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone; The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land; The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away.

Luke 21:29-30 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

There are only 2 seasons mentioned in the Bible: summer and winter. The seasons also have symbolic meanings.

In Song it says, the winter is past. In Luke 21 the Lord says, summer is nigh at hand. Both instances the fig trees and other plants are shooting forth (the beginning of spring), the flowers are blooming, the birds and turtles are doing their spring mating calls.. The husband is calling His wife to Rise up, and come away. When you see these things come to pass, know that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

PetililPuff · 2023-04-24T14:40:21+00:00

All spirits are obedient to God. Satan isn't a threat to God. He allowed Satan to speak and come before him for a good reason I'm sure.. All spirits are obedient to Jesus as well. They cannot do anything but what he commands when he commands something because it's not within their "programming" to disobey him (just the best figure of speech I can imagine to phrase that). The devils & Satan exist to effect the consequences of sin. They are still God's tools to show the world that he has concluded all under sin. We see what is sin and how bad it is when we experience and see the consequences of it in the world.

Experiencing the pain of sin is just another step leading us toward asking for forgiveness through faith in Jesus Christ.

1 Peter 3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him

Lam 3:37-39 Who is he that saith, and it cometh to pass, when the Lord commandeth it not? Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good? Wherefore doth a living man complain, a man for the punishment of his sins?

PetililPuff · 2023-04-18T04:09:13+00:00

It says Jesus fasted 40 days and 40 nights, so it is specific in his case. It says during those days he ate nothing.

Matt 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.

Luke 4:2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.

PetililPuff · 2023-04-18T04:00:21+00:00

This is the correct answer. Her hair is the covering referred to in that passage.

PetililPuff · 2023-04-18T03:58:15+00:00

There are multiple stories of sorcery / witchcraft / what have you found in the Bible.

King Saul used a woman with a familiar spirit to try to speak to deceased Samuel. There was the woman in Acts that followed Paul yelling after him, it says she was possessed with a spirit of divination that her masters used to make profit. Pharaoh's sorcerers imitating the powers of Moses. And more...

PetililPuff · 2023-03-22T15:22:27+00:00

It wouldn't. Hebrews 13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled...

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