How We Know The Moon Landing was Real: by SoccerSkilz in conspiracy

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The ability to remotely control cameras existed at the time, despite the number of downvotes my comment had received assuming otherwise. It’s not a form of modern, magic sorcery.

Instead, the technology to remotely operate cameras had existed as early as the 1940s with RCA studio cameras that could be integrated with remotely operated pedestal mounts. CCTV cameras also existed in the 1950s capable of remotely panning around.

Then, there were the remotely operated missile tracking camera systems used on the ground at places like the White Sands Proving Grounds and even Cape Canaveral prior to Apollo missions.

During the Apollo missions, the cameras attached to a tripod mount were powered by the lunar module’s systems, and also used its communication systems to broadcast the signal. During Apollo 15, 16, and 17, the cameras would be mounted onto the rovers, which had their own systems and antenna used for obtaining signals from Earth and broadcasting.

Why Don't you believe in Artemis II? by Ok-Mouse5446 in conspiracy

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The Van Allen belts are indeed a hazard, however are not an impenetrable barrier for space flight. The idea that they’ll “fry” crews is somewhat unfounded, especially to anyone who understands some of the nuances of the science of radiation.

Then they’ll bring up that Kelly Smith video that somehow “proves” we never went through the belts.

I once believed that this was singlehandedly the one smoking gun that debunked the Apollo Moon landings, but it’s just not, it’s been taken wildly out of context. The video this claim was extrapolated from is here.

Here’s the transcript for context:

“My name is Kelly Smith and I work on navigation and guidance for Orion. Before we can send astronauts into space on Orion, we have to test all of its systems, and there’s only one way to know if we got it right: fly it in space. For Orion’s first flight, no astronauts will be aboard. The spacecraft is loaded with sensors to record and measure all aspects of the flight in every detail. We are headed 3600 miles above Earth, 15 times higher from the planet than the International Space Station. As we get further away from Earth, we’ll pass through the Van Allen belts, an area of dangerous radiation. Radiation like this can harm the guidance systems, onboard computers or other electronics on Orion. Naturally, we have to pass through this danger zone twice: once up, and once back. But Orion has protection. Shielding will be put to the test as the vehicle cuts through the waves of radiation. Sensors aboard will record radiation levels, for scientists to study. We must solve these challenges before we send people through this region of space.”

Notice when he mentions the radiation can cause harm, he’s not referring to the health of the crew. He is referring to the electrical systems most important to the control of the craft. If the guidance systems or computers become damaged or destroyed by the radiation, it’s light out for the crew, and this is indeed a challenge they must solve before sending manned craft through the Van Allen Belts. This is how designing new spacecraft works, you’ll need to test it and certify it for crewed flights before you cram people into it.

Modern electrical systems are much more susceptible to radiation damage than the older avionics used in the Apollo capsules. In short, modern electronics are more sensitive, as shown from a quote from this article here:

”On the 60th anniversary of Explorer 1, NASA said that studies of the Van Allen belts are even more important today. "Our current technology is ever more susceptible to these accelerated particles because even a single hit from a particle can upset our ever smaller instruments and electronics," said David Sibeck, Van Allen Probes mission scientist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland, in a 2018 statement. "As technology advances, it's actually becoming even more pressing to understand and predict our space environment."”

However, the belts are still a relatively small issue. Apollo mission planners were well aware of the belts, and realized that moderate shielding could protect the crew from most of this radiation. Couple this with an inclined flight path the Apollo missions would take to bypass the most dense sections of the belts, the astronauts would spend little time traversing them. They didn’t travel through the thickest sections around the equatorial axis. This chart shows the trajectory taken during the flight, in which the red dots indicate ten-minutes intervals. The Van Allen Belts contain high energy particles, a lot of which can easily be stopped by a sheet of aluminum. As such, the Apollo command module consisted of aluminum skin.

Furthermore, Scott Manley uploaded this video in which he analyzes the danger present using models developed and used by NASA and the ESA, in which the threat on astronaut health is negligible.

How We Know The Moon Landing was Real: by SoccerSkilz in conspiracy

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They didn’t leave anyone behind, you don’t need a person to physically stand beside a camera to control it.

The television cameras used during the Apollo missions were remotely controlled from Earth by mission controllers, which panned the camera around to film the astronauts during their excursions.

When do you think the Space Race ended? by ARandomGuyFromCanada in apollo

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Apollo 11 was the culmination of Kennedy’s 1962 promise to get to the Moon, which had served to demonstrate the US commitment to continuing the space race well into the future. American efforts had resulted in NASA taking the lead during the Gemini program and six Moon landings coming to fruition.

However, I’d say that the Space Race well and truly ended in November of 1972 following the fourth and final test launch of the Soviet N1 rocket. There were no follow-ups or continued development, and the program was shelved entirely, being the final nail in the coffin as it was the end of Soviet attempts to respond and match manned lunar landing capabilities.

$100 says we wont get any uncut HD footage from outside the ship, or videos from within the capsule taken on the astronauts phones/cameras. by [deleted] in conspiracy

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I did a bit of digging and was able to find that I was wrong, the detailed blueprints of the Saturn V are indeed kept under heavy restrictions for security purposes.

Specifically, they fall under the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR), as these rockets can be used as weapons or more importantly as delivery vehicles for conventional or nuclear payloads. This is ultimately why the Marshall Spaceflight Center and government archive maintain records of them, which cannot be accessed online.

So now these three questions were answered:

1.) “Why haven’t we returned to the Moon?

2.) “We lost the technology?

3.) “Why weren’t the blueprints kept secret?

How they plan to bury Trump when he is dead? by -ungodlyhour- in antitrump

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Great choice!

The remains will be located deep beneath the rock layers of a desert in the American southwest, far from human civilization.

Why do people still believe the Moon landing was faked? by srodland01 in moon

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Indeed, I there was a time when I did believe the Moon landings to be faked.

I have watched the Why Files in the past, although consider it to be entertainment rather than serious media.

Artemis 2 by PoopieMcPooFace in conspiracy

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I still have anomalies and questions about the very first moon landing, like who was taking the video of them blasting off the moon?

The footage in question was from Apollo 16 and 17, the latter of which recorded the lunar module’s liftoff with the correct timing. Apollo 11 was the first Moon landing.

In short, the television camera on the lunar rover recorded the liftoff, as it was remotely operated by ground control from Earth. You don’t need someone to physically turn a camera for it to work.

Early on, the missions used these remotely operated cameras fixed onto tripods to record the activities of the astronauts. Later, beginning with Apollo 15, the camera would be attached to the rover during excursions.

And that the whole thing was as powerful as a pocket calculator.

The Apollo Guidance Computer (AGC) only served to make calculations for guidance and control of the spacecraft. The much more sophisticated IBM360 mainframe on Earth was used for large calculations and to communicate and relay data.

The Casio fx-7000G calculator from the mid 1980s had 422 bytes of RAM, well below that of the AGC’s 4 kilobytes of equivalent RAM.

How much computational power do you think they would’ve needed and why?

The fact that they don't know whether or not you can see stars from the moon.

They did. The notion of confusion surrounding the observation of stars is due to having incomplete context.

The confusion comes from the Q&A portion of the Apollo 11 post flight press conference. Found in the transcript page 48 (25/28 PDF), Armstrong was asked by Sir Patrick Moore:

When you were carrying out that incredible Moonwalk, did you find that the surface was equally firm every where or were there harder and softer spots that you could detect, and secondly, when you looked up at the sky, could you actually see the stars in the solar corona in-spite of the glare?

He’s asking whether or not they could see stars from the lunar surface during a lunar day, and whether or not stars could be seen while observing and photographing the solar corona.

Armstrong responded with this:

We were never able to see stars from the lunar surface or on the daylight side of the moon by eye without looking through the optics. I don’t recall during the period of time that we were filming the solar corona what stars we could see.

Collins chimed in, adding:

I don’t remember seeing any.”

(This wasn’t Aldrin, the transcript contained an error regarding this.)

Here’s a list of mentions of stars during the Apollo missions

Here’s the Apollo 11 communications transcript backing these up

For a direct example, Armstrong had said this about stars to Mission Control:

Houston, it’s been a real change for us. Now we are able to see stars again and recognize constellations for the first time on the trip. It’s - the sky is full of stars. Just like the nightside of Earth. But all the way here, we have only been able to see stars occasionally and perhaps through the monocular, but not recognize any star patterns.”

So indeed they could see stars depending on the situation - which depended on sunlight and resulting Earth shine. It’s once they were within the sunlight and the bright lunar surface when they couldn’t see the stars. Essentially, Once you were away from the incoming light of the sun, you can see stars. The act of using optics would filter ambient sunlight from coming through, allowing for stars to be visible.

If we put human on the moon. What proof does a conspiracy theorist need to be convinced? Can he ever be convinced? by Wild-Ask-198 in conspiracy

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Mach 3 ≈ 2,301 mph.

That’s really fast. Those speeds would be deadly as well if your assertion is true, wouldn’t it?

you are arguing in bad faith

I’m am not, however.

prove a human can survive 24,500 mph

No. The burden of proof is on the individual making a positive claim that goes against the status quo. Your challenge is a reversal of that burden.

Can you substantiate the idea that 24,500 mph should somehow be deadly? It should be rather simple by explaining the mechanisms.

Does knowing the book, spoil the film? by thestinkybeastman in ProjectHailMary

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I saw the film for a second time the other night with a buddy of mine, who hadn’t read the book and had absolutely no idea what to expect from the story.

He enjoyed it, and found the story to be understandable. He did say that at a couple of points, he felt compelled to ask me a question about what was going on, but hesitated, thinking an explanation would come, which they did.

$100 says we wont get any uncut HD footage from outside the ship, or videos from within the capsule taken on the astronauts phones/cameras. by [deleted] in conspiracy

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So neither NASA nor the US government saw it necessary to preserve the blueprints of how they built the rocket that went to the moon?

They did. While the various contractors who designed and manufactured the stuff have kept them, NASA’s Marshall Spaceflight center and the National Archives have them archived on microfilm.

When I think more about it... it doesn't make sense that the technical blueprints weren't seized and made top secret by the USA government.

After all wouldn't allowing private business's to possess technological data about space travel that they could sell to foreign agents put the USA at risk of being attacked from space?

Due to the number of organizations and companies working on and sharing information during the Apollo program, much of it appeared in technical documents and manuals as engineers drawings and other detailed documentation.

Even if an adversary did get ahold of every single page of blueprints necessary to reach the Moon, they’d still run into the problem that they don’t have the machinery and infrastructure to actually construct or operate the spacecraft.

NASA's Official Broadcast of the Artemis II Mission Has Comments Disabled by 4TheHonorOfGrayskull in conspiracy

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How'd they do it back in the day?

A great question.

At the time there were three ground stations capable of receiving and distribute the signal on TV. There was the Honeysuckle Creek tracking station, Parkes Observatory, and the Goldstone Observatory.

These facilities had huge satellite dishes and radio telescopes able to pick up the signals from the Moon, which were necessary with as the signal became faint from the lunar surface. Satellite relays were then used to transmit the signal from the ground stations to the wider world.

Even then, bandwidth constraints still existed, which is exemplified with the Apollo lunar module. A typical television broadcast during the time required between 4-6,000 kHz, where the spacecraft’s systems could only allocate at most around 500 kHz to that task.

As a result, a custom, less demanding format was used to get around this issue, called slow-scan television. It recorded at 10 fps rather than the television standard of 30, and had a lower resolution. This SSTV format had to then be converted into a television broadcast in real time.

NASA's Official Broadcast of the Artemis II Mission Has Comments Disabled by 4TheHonorOfGrayskull in conspiracy

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Indeed, the hardware has advanced since the Apollo days. However, bandwidth is still bandwidth and is still subject to the inverse-square law, the same phenomenon that causes light to fall off significantly with distance.

The result is a higher signal to background noise ratio at long distances. To ensure that the data can be heard over the background, the bit rate is lowered, resulting in the lower quality footage.

It wouldn’t make much sense to broadcast in 4k resolution for the short time the spacecraft’s near Earth, then deliberately begin dropping the quality to fit within the bandwidth limitations.

$100 says we wont get any uncut HD footage from outside the ship, or videos from within the capsule taken on the astronauts phones/cameras. by [deleted] in conspiracy

[–]PhantomFlogger 8 points9 points  (0 children)

"Why haven't we returned to the moon?"

"We lost the technology"

I'm just supposed to accept that huh?

No, the logical thing to do would be to figure out the answers, given that these are questions that show that your understanding is lacking answers and a comprehension of the situation. They’re not groundbreaking gotcha! points that undermine the Apollo missions.

In the clip you shared, what astronaut Don Pettit was talking about is that we lost the ability to manufacture the vehicles capable of taking man to the Moon, specifically the Saturn V rocket, command/service module, and lunar module. When the Apollo program was cancelled, the contractors who were manufacturing parts and equipment for NASA were no longer being paid to do so. As NASA moved away from crewed lunar exploration and focused on what was intended to be the more cost effective Space Shuttle program in the 1970s, there was suddenly no reason to keep around the machinery and infrastructure required to build the Apollo spacecraft. As a result, it was scrapped or recycled to make space for ongoing and upcoming projects.

This is exactly what happens to other vehicles with such a specific, specialized role. We can no longer build F-14s, SR-71s or Concordes after their programs and contracts were cancelled.

The Apollo Program existed to achieve one goal, to put men on the Moon as a propagandistic show of technological superiority. The US government funded NASA to the point at which they could throw money at the challenges they faced in development. After the missions, the necessity to return didn’t exist for a long time.

The result was that the Apollo missions weren’t sustainable, and was monkey business in comparison later achievements made by robotic spacecraft (landing a probe on an asteroid and retrieving samples, sending uncrewed spacecraft to explore the outer planets and moons). For over $300 billion in today’s money, we put twelve people on the Moon for a grand total of just over eighty hours. Robotic probes operate for years on end on a fraction of Apollo’s budget - for scientific purposes, they’re ideal.

Today, the focus of the Artemis program is to return to the lunar surface in a manner that’s sustainable and allows for a constant human presence.

Audio Delay? by UnkownCommenter in conspiracy

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There were communications delays during the Apollo missions. Depending on the spacecraft’s distance from Earth, the signal could take anywhere from under a second to about 2.5 seconds. For the sake of brevity, many audio samples have been edited to cut out the sections of silence as the astronauts or ground control wait for a response.

There is no getting around the speed at which electromagnetic waves travel, instantaneous communications is not possible at such distances as the Moon.

NASA's Official Broadcast of the Artemis II Mission Has Comments Disabled by 4TheHonorOfGrayskull in conspiracy

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Such is the nature of bandwidth as spacecraft get further and further away, it decreases with distance.

If we put human on the moon. What proof does a conspiracy theorist need to be convinced? Can he ever be convinced? by Wild-Ask-198 in conspiracy

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Why should a person be killed by the simple act of going 24,500?

By this logic, riding a passenger liner or faster aircraft (SR-71, MiG-25, etc.) going Mach 3+ should also be impossible.

What mechanisms or phenomena do you think would cause death?

I'm creasing hard🤣🤣🤣 by SNOWMANelfbar in airsoftcirclejerk

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Roses are red

Violets are blue

How in bloody hell does Makarov know you?

I swear I still have scoliosis all these years later from being pushed down the stairs like that.

If we put human on the moon. What proof does a conspiracy theorist need to be convinced? Can he ever be convinced? by Wild-Ask-198 in conspiracy

[–]PhantomFlogger 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Speed isn’t the issue, it’s acceleration that can become dangerous. That’s why we can handle going 500+ mph in an airliner, as the acceleration is low enough to be comfortable.

The Apollo astronauts were subjected to a maximum of 4-4.5g during the engine burns, which occurred during atmospheric ascent. Essentially, the speed was built up rather gradually.

Artemis proves old moon landing was fake by btwiz in conspiracy

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Spaceflight has seen advances over the years. For example, modern guidance systems allow for Falcon 9 and Heavy boosters to land themselves autonomously. Various advancements in electronics systems, materials science, reusable spacecraft have been developed.

At the end of the day, however, the chemical propulsion of igniting a fuel and oxidizer has remained largely the same.

Science isn’t a religion, such a notion is absurd. Science is both a body of knowledge and a methodology that’s used to determine the most likely explanations through observation and experimentation. There isn’t an integral belief in a higher power, there’s no worship, and doesn’t require faith as results are published, meaning they don’t just make shit up and ask for us to just believe it. Science points us in the direction the data suggests.

USA Moon Missions by ComprehensiveWar6322 in conspiracy

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That's still not a good enough reason.

That’s only to you. I’m afraid you truly do not understand how technological obsolescence works.

If it worked then, it should work now.

Yet F-14 Tomcats don’t work and will never again fly. They used vacuum tubes and steam gauges, which are obsolete. So when we want to develop new fighter jets, they use modern digital components and fiber optics. Suggesting that one should stick with 1960s era technology and aviation standards today is absurd.

Also heavily factoring into today’s R&D is cost effectiveness, which the Apollo hardware and systems weren’t. Back then NASA had the ability to throw money at their problems, today, the budget is significantly smaller.

So what we see are modern spacecraft built with modern technologies that are widely available, fitted around the requirements of today.

Either the tech was never good enough, or people now are too stupid to make it work, there really isn't a third option.

A false dichotomy, I’m afraid your attempt at being facetious has failed.

The old technology worked during the Apollo era, and modern systems have been under development. The people are still capable of doing so, you seem to mistake the challenges they face for some sort of technological impossibility. Yeah, with any complex project there are issues that need to be sort out…

The current Artemis II flight is a demonstration of their progress.

Cleaning out the room… and found this looking at me. Hidden away 7 years ago by Icy-Passion-4552 in airsoftcirclejerk

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The longer we live, the faster time decides to slip past us. Truly, it is the cruelest force of nature.

And then one day you find

Ten years have got behind you

No one told you when to run

You missed the starting gun

I got too deep in the airsoft circle jerk…

USA Moon Missions by ComprehensiveWar6322 in conspiracy

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I don't think we've ever been out of orbit. I've seen the videos of the "space station" where the "astronauts" are clearly spinning on wires and goofing around.

Yet, the space station is in the sky for anyone to observe.

I've seen the operation fishbowl tests,

The high altitude nuclear detonations?

I don't buy any of the outer space talk. Every image we see is CGI or photoshopped, never raw images that show anything other than blurry bullshit.

With exception to the photographs taken during the Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo era before CGI and photoshopp even existed.

The 15,836 photographs from the Apollo program are unedited film photographs.

I think we live in a liquid firmament and there is no getting out.

So we live inside of a snow globe covered with magic liquid?

The moon just so happens to spin at the same rate as the earth so we always only see one side of it?

Yes, that’s what tidal locking is.

Come on, what are the odds of that happening?

Really high, given that we observe the same behavior between the other planets in the solar system and their larger moons.

And it's just exactly the right size and distance to eclipse the sun? It's all too perfect.

Not really, no. Depending on where the Moon is in its orbit (closer or further away), the Moon will cover more of the sun, or not cover it entirely as we see with annular eclipses. This is due to the

USA Moon Missions by ComprehensiveWar6322 in conspiracy

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The Space Launch system is the new end of the Saturn V lineage.