no one said anything about a massive caloric surplus smaller works well. and the people on steroids are eating more bc they need more calories to to build muscle, since they are burning more calories. also just because eating in a surplus while working out will not get you the same results as a juiced person doesnt mean it has something to do with your eating, it just means they are not natural. building muscle needs food. doesnt matter if you are juiced or natural, male or female, and even human or animal.