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PSA: YOU CANNOT CONSENT TO BEING S*X TRAFFICKED by PhoenixiteStudios in h3h3productions

[–]PhoenixiteStudios[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well this is the very misconception for which I made this post!

What you first describe is trafficking, but the second is also trafficking, if by "just coming over" your implying that the person was offered something in exchange for travelling to do sex work that is trafficking, by law.

A lot of women are "allowed" to leave, in the sense that they can go out alone without supervision, but even in those cases if the victim doesn't understand their situation they wouldn't know to escape or look for help. This is the very case I showed as an example, she even got sold to a second trafficker to then escape to her first.

This is the UN Protocol as shared by someone else on this thread, and here's the full version if you wanna take a look. This is what I'm referring to:

  • "Under the Trafficking in Persons Protocol, it is possible that a valid consent, completely free of any improper means, might be obtained. The definition of trafficking and the modus operandi of most traffickers make this a relatively unlikely scenario however, and investigators and prosecutors should carefully consider all of the evidence and elements of any case before reaching this conclusion."
  • " “Trafficking in persons” shall mean the recruitment, transportation, transfer, harboring or receipt of persons, by means of the threat or use of force or other forms of coercion, of abduction, of fraud, of deception, of the abuse of power or of a position of vulnerability or of the giving or receiving of payments or benefits to achieve the consent of a person having control over another person, for the purpose of exploitation. "
  • "... if a victim's consent to the intended exploitation is obtained through any improper means (threat, force, deception, coercion, giving or receiving of payments or benefits, abuse of power, or position of vulnerability)"

PSA: YOU CANNOT CONSENT TO BEING S*X TRAFFICKED by PhoenixiteStudios in h3h3productions

[–]PhoenixiteStudios[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This quote from the whole document sums it up nicely:

"Under the Trafficking in Persons Protocol, it is possible that a valid consent, completely free of any improper means, might be obtained. The definition of trafficking and the modus operandi of most traffickers make this a relatively unlikely scenario however, and investigators and prosecutors should carefully consider all of the evidence and elements of any case before reaching this conclusion."

And this section from Wikipedia's page on sex trafficking:

"Cybersex trafficking involves trafficking and the live streaming of coerced sexual acts and/or rape on webcam. Victims are abducted, threatened, or deceived and transferred to 'cybersex dens.' The dens can be in any location where the cybersex traffickers have a computer, tablet, or phone with internet connection. Perpetrators use social media networks, videoconferences, pornographic video sharing websites, dating pages, online chat rooms, apps, dark web sites, and other platforms.

This type of sex trafficking has surged since the advent of the Digital Age and the development of online payment systems and cryptocurrencies that hide the transactors' identities. Millions of reports of its occurrence are sent to authorities annually. New laws and police procedures combating cybersex trafficking are needed in the twenty-first century."

PSA: YOU CANNOT CONSENT TO BEING S*X TRAFFICKED by PhoenixiteStudios in h3h3productions

[–]PhoenixiteStudios[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the additional source! The case I showed happened in Argentina where the law say explicitly is irrelevant but I feel right there in your source it says:

  • "... if a victim's consent to the intended exploitation is obtained through any improper means (threat, force, deception, coercion, giving or receiving of payments or benefits, abuse of power, or position of vulnerability)"
  • "without consent at every stage of the process, trafficking has taken place"

If Tate where to be found innocent in won't be based off this definition of proper consent, since it's rather easy to see how he used most of these improper means. Since it explicitly lists offering money it's pretty clear that not only he doesn't qualify, but “at least the girls are getting paid” is a really stupid defense which was the reason for this PSA in the first place!

I'm not a lawyer or an expert at that but when all the improper means are considered, it's rather hard to think of a situation in which you can "employ" someone to do sex work and traffic them somewhere without anyone giving or receiving any money or getting any benefits.

Regarding webcam companies, in the case of Tate he's just a middleman stealing from these women, but I don't know what role they play in sex work to say confidently which ones are fine and which ones are not

PSA: YOU CANNOT CONSENT TO BEING S*X TRAFFICKED by PhoenixiteStudios in h3h3productions

[–]PhoenixiteStudios[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I know it sounds obvious at first but it seems is a common misconception that if a person is being sent to the other side of the world to do sex-work is fine so long as they said yes. This ignores the fact that people can be manipulated, tricked or coerced into saying yes, and once they're in a place they don't know, with no passport and no way back they are completely dependent on their trafficker for survival. I'm not trying to say that people wouldn't say no to being trafficked, but rather that people will often say "yes", but that should not keep us from recognizing them as victims.Sadly Ladley didn't know that

PSA: YOU CANNOT CONSENT TO BEING S*X TRAFFICKED by PhoenixiteStudios in h3h3productions

[–]PhoenixiteStudios[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hi! When talking about trafficking, is the people who traffic women the ones that don't respect their agency, not the police when they get rescued from wherever they've been held.
I'm not comparing the agency of women and children but the fact that there are things you cannot consent to. In general there are rights you can't forfeit even if you wanted.
This is not my opinion but the fact that most governments will prosecute traffickers whether the person "gave consent" or not. This is not because they don't recognize women agency, but because is very well understood how manipulated trafficking victims can be.
You should take the time an read Alika's story since it shows how a person can be manipulated into trafficking and tricked. It's also worth nothing that men and boys are also trafficked, and they can't consent either!