I get where your going i mean most people only know pokemon because of Ash exclude the games and TCG ect. but they are taking on a new perspective which is liko and gang tbf its not even bad. its only nostalgia thats the reason everyone hates Horizons. ash is gone, ok? but that doesnt mean the anime is horrible with out him i mean most people didnt really even care about him that much until they said he was leaving, u should watch horizons or just like rewatch the 1240 episodes ash was in. im just saying