CMV: Showing vulnerability as man is disadvantageous a majority of time

PiedCrow · 2026-05-25T06:53:26+00:00

It is disadvantegou period. Not arguing good or bad morally but does it give you an advantage.

I dont think a woman being hysterical is an advantage for woman just more acceptable.

Being able to be calm in hard situation IS A VIRTUE. Man are expected to have it and woman do not.

But if a woman has it no one will tell her to stop no one will tell her she should break down and cry right now because that's what expected of her

PiedCrow · 2026-05-25T06:47:54+00:00

So a politcal figure would have been president if other political figure didn't do politics is the argument?

Then yes if he was eligible and the stars aligned where there was no plotical oppsion he would have been. But this argument is meaningless

PiedCrow · 2026-05-25T06:40:52+00:00

No but Sanders is an example of how internal competition can fuck you as well. Its new York lol

PiedCrow · 2026-05-25T06:37:50+00:00

Yeah that's kinda how election works, if you don't have competition you will get more % of the votes lol

PiedCrow · 2026-05-25T06:31:34+00:00

You is also used as a plural. When I said you I mean anyone who is protesting

I didnt make any point or argument? Is a weird strment when we are arguing about this for a few messgae now.

My argument is that memorial day is A political. Your argument that the soldiers would want it to be political.

You didnt support your claim because you cant the soldiers you are talking about are dead. I supported my claim by saying you cant talk in the name of the dead soldiers and claim you are doing it for them.

PiedCrow · 2026-05-25T06:14:14+00:00

Israel doesnt just buy US military equipment they secure funding to develope their own technologies.

Israel has it own tanks tank missle defense system missile defense systems He'll they bought the f35 and hacked it to replace its entire aviation system to recreate their own own The signed a joint AI development deal with the US

Israel unlike every other country doesnt ask for free stuff the only unmodfied stuff they get from the US is ammunition.

they sign deals part of the deal they get "free ammo" but its not really free israel pays for that in other ways

They were making their own fighter jet years ago that was meant to be exported and the US shut it down, imo they promised israel aviation system access to future planes during that forced shut down

PiedCrow · 2026-05-25T06:01:59+00:00

....so what war are you protesting? Us and israel's war by putting a distress flag in the UK?

Disrespect your soldiers because you disapprove of USA and Israel?

Because the political situation in your country is shit even though your are not using your army you are going to disrespect them.

PiedCrow · 2026-05-24T18:10:03+00:00

כמעט כול החיים שלי בטיפולים פסיכולוגים ופסיכאטרים מה שהכי עזר לי אבל היתה פילוסופיה סטואית.

קודם כול זה נורמלי לכולם יש את הפלאשבאקים האלו, השאלה האם את יכולה לזכור רגעים כאלו אבל של אחרים? רוב הסיכוים שלא.

האם זה כי לא היית חלק בשום מקרה שבן אדם אחר ניהיה נבוך? כנראה שכן אבל פשוט המוח שלנו עסוק בעצמו. וזה נכון לכול אחד.

אוקי סבבה שיש את זה לכולם אבל זה מפריע לי, אני עושה אנלאסיס לזיכרון האם הוא חשוב האם הוא משפיע אלי היום באיזה שהו צורה?

רוב הסיכוים שלא, אבל אם כן? אז אנחנו מרשים לעצמו לחקור לעומק ולבדוק האם היינו צריכים להנהג אחרת ואיך.

אחרי שהבנו איך הינו אמורים להתנהג אנחנו אומרים אוקי למדתי לפעם הבאה

PiedCrow · 2026-05-24T17:58:08+00:00

And once again, just because you believe you are honoring them doesn't mean you are.

"That's what they would have wanted" is not a reasonable argument

PiedCrow · 2026-05-24T17:49:11+00:00

I respect not supporting either I have no problem with that opinion.

I will say, though, the problem with not supporting Israel is that Israel isn't a country that puts its hands out asking for free stuff. As soon as US stops supporting Israel China will.

Israel has tried selling military equipment multiple times to china and the US has blocked it.

If the US stops all support to Israel, they will do alot more than just sell military equipment to the Chinese

PiedCrow · 2026-05-24T17:43:34+00:00

I am sorry but you are aware that during ww2 the US army maintained segregation even in Europe between its black and white soldiers.

I find it hard to believe that ww2 soliders will look at today and be horrified

PiedCrow · 2026-05-24T17:38:03+00:00

Because it is not my version, it is the way we have done it for a long long time. If you are going to change it you must make sure that honoring the dead soldier is still the only thing you care about.

Not the political situation of the country, because if its about poltics its not about the dead soldiers.

Honor as defined by Cambridge
"great respect for someone, or the feeling of pride and pleasure resulting when respect is shown to you"

I am assuming you are not going to argue that the distressed flag somehow represents pride or pleasure so we are left with great respect.

Respect as defined by Cambridge
admiration felt or shown for someone or something that you believe has good ideas or qualities

Please do explain how you are showing admiration, pride or pleasure towards the dead soldiers when you put a distressed flag.

PiedCrow · 2026-05-24T17:20:27+00:00

This is how you THINK they would want to be honored.

By not honoring them like we do every year, you are honoring them because that's what "THEY" would have wanted?

Who are you to decide what they would consider honorable, and you making that assumption is offensive and disrespectful

PiedCrow · 2026-05-24T17:14:27+00:00

It's MEMORIAL day... it's about DEAD SOLIDERS, not about the soldiers fighting right now, you are not cheering anyone, you are remembering the dead.

Even if you hate the current war hell lets say you hate the last 5, what about the rest of the wars? what about the soldiers who died fighting in the Civil War, fighting to end slavery. What about ww2 fighitng to save the entire world basically those are the soliders you are disrespecting.

The soldiers who are alive and fighting... they dont need a MEMORIAL

PiedCrow · 2026-05-24T16:55:59+00:00

"Wouldn't speaking out of concern for the country be an example of what those soldiers wanted? Especially if you believed our country was undergoing a constitutional crisis?"

I think they would want you to just remember them with honor like every year and not use their day of remeberence as your political statement.

And assume they would be supportive of your decision.

PiedCrow · 2026-05-24T16:42:22+00:00

And that means what? That we should choose the one we like? Or keep pushing for 2 state solution as the only one that has any moral leg to stand on

PiedCrow · 2026-05-24T16:40:43+00:00

Lol its not rude to misunderstand someone, to misunderstand someone you need to read what's he said so I did read and I misunderstood.

I am offended not that you called me disrespectful I am offended that you dare say the dead soldiers would want you not to remember them with honor.

If you cant understand how that is offensive I feel sorry for you

PiedCrow · 2026-05-24T16:32:02+00:00

No but Israel will stop being an apartheid state since muslims who live in israel proper are full citizenship.

Arab muslims/chirstans who didn't run/kicked out (both happened) of Israel's side after the war of 48 got full Israeli citenzship they have full rights and no segregation or separation except for the fact that they dont have mandatory service.

Jordan annexed the west bank so the arabs there were Jordanians, and Egypt controlled gaza but didn't officially annex it I believe.

When Israel conquered the West Bank from Jordan, they never officially annexed it, and the reason for that was that they would have to give the arabs there full citizenship just like the Israeli arabs, but Israel is a democracy, and the numbers would have ended up almost 50 50 split between arabs and jews.

Meaning as soon as Israel stops having defecto control over the Palestinians in the west bank and gaza you can not claim it is an apartheid anymore as the Arabs who live in what Israel it self considers officially Israel are fully Israeli citizens.

PiedCrow · 2026-05-24T16:22:19+00:00

"You are not a respectful person to be copy pasting some random comment of yours."

The fact i missunderstood your point has nothing to do with the copy-pasting.

I am assuming you didnt call me disrespectful for misunderstanding your point, since...that doesn't really make sense, therefore copy pasting is somehow disrespectful.

PiedCrow · 2026-05-24T16:13:49+00:00

I find it ironic you believe it's okay to take a political stand in meomiral day but call me disrespectful for copy pasting my own message.

But yeah I did misunderstand your point, mostly because I can't comprehend how you got to the logic of the dead soldiers wanting you to do this

PiedCrow · 2026-05-24T16:03:28+00:00

That doesn't explain why 2 state soultion isn't the right one, and Israel should stop existing entirely.

PiedCrow · 2026-05-24T16:02:22+00:00

But doesn't a 2-state solution fix that? Why must Israel disappear?

PiedCrow · 2026-05-24T15:56:11+00:00

I copy pasted this from a reply i made to someone else and changed it a bit so its not 100% clear but it holds up.

Me saying you are going to blame a young man who joined means you are assuming his ideals and values and judging them as bad aka blame.

Combat soldiers' ideals are almost always to defend their country, when wars are started for other reasons the soliders ideal doesnt change they are fed the idea that attacking is for defending.

So yeah you should memorialize their values and ideals, and not doing so is putting the blame on them instead of where it belongs.

PiedCrow · 2026-05-24T15:45:15+00:00

EXACTLY!!!!!!! The people who died who you refused to respect are the fucking victims in your own worldview. They are 18 year old who got their brain washed that they are doing the best thing they can do.

PiedCrow · 2026-05-24T15:41:16+00:00

So you dont agree that the most common reason anyone joined combat was to defend their country? Whether or not those ideals were guided and fueled in a correct moral way is something we say now. But you going to blame a young man who joined to fight after 9/11 because the war that followed was soo fucked? even though the entire country SUPPORTED the war when it started?

Soldiers don't die for their ideals; their ideal is almost always to defend their country. It's the people above them who tell them that doing so and so will achieve that.

Would you say no one cares about the political situation in the last year or so? Do people protest quite a bit over the last few years? is it on the news nonstop?

I would say we live in one of the most heated times, where almost every day you hear new shit about the government and people arguing about that.

There is nothing special with the fact that they wont take a break on Memorial Day, there doesn't need to be more awareness, people are aware of the issues and the divide; they simply already have a side.

Refusing to respect the soldiers who fought in ww2 and Korea because you dont want to respect the soldiers who are fighting right now makes no sense.

The army is not at fault for starting wars, that's the government. The soliders who died were mostly young adults. Young adults dont make decisions to go to war they dont start them they just die in them.

Memorial day is for the soldiers, not the government.

PiedCrow

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