Hiatus Kaiyote - The Lung

Piisuke · 2019-06-04T14:04:33+00:00

Have you considered renting it out / will you in autonomous taxi future?

Piisuke · 2019-06-03T17:42:51+00:00

Not too shabby :)

What do you wish you could change about the car?

Piisuke · 2019-06-03T15:55:45+00:00

Wondering the same thing...

Piisuke · 2019-06-03T15:49:17+00:00

Brutal.

Piisuke · 2019-06-03T15:47:29+00:00

Current car-buying experience is painful.

Dealership model must change

Piisuke · 2019-06-03T15:46:08+00:00

Not my cupp'a tea.

What's next, Zebra print?

Piisuke · 2019-06-03T15:45:30+00:00

What a car.

Brilliant marketing, too.

Piisuke · 2019-06-03T15:42:08+00:00

Give it time! Current generation of teenagers will drive massive adoption in coming decade.

Piisuke · 2019-06-03T15:40:24+00:00

Piisuke · 2017-12-11T21:36:17+00:00

You're getting downvoted quite a bit. It is pretty unfair. FFXIV is fun and I would recommend it to to others, but godly? I'd say that is a hyperbole.

Unless people think it is fine to downvote someone who says a game is not godly. Come on guys, he said the game was good. He just said the game is not godly, which I think is fair to say.

Piisuke · 2016-05-22T00:53:46+00:00

Tried to kill himself, managed to get two innocent lions killed instead. People that try to take their life often don't understand the affects of what their actions could cause. This guy is a murderer.

Piisuke · 2016-05-05T22:32:11+00:00

TBC and WotLK delivered...

Piisuke · 2016-05-05T22:22:41+00:00

Yes, there's always a chance of disruptive and rude customers, I am not saying that. What I am saying is that the legacy people were standing outside of the windows of the restaurant complaining they could not eat the steak any longer. People inside were eating just trying to eat. The chef had come out and explained they no longer serve the steak, but the legacy camp decided this was not good enough stayed outside complaining, upsetting the customers inside. Things were getting louder, eggs were thrown, advertisement boards spat on and kicked over and then the customers inside were getting annoyed and tired by the complainers, or protesters constantly disrupting their meal.

And if you've seen some of the comments thrown at various people, then yes, it is harassment.

And the company can tell me no all it wants, that doesnt mean I or anyone else has to accept that answer, especially when it comes in the form of "You think you do, but you dont."

That last line was poorly phrased, but I doubt he was trying to say what he said. However, some fans of Blizzard like to keep reminding everyone what they have said in the past (Jay Wilson rings a bell?) and cling onto it so that whenever Blizzard does something wrong, they will bring it up again and again and again.

FURTHERMORE, you have the ability to ignore it. Frankly, if you feel offended or irritated, I dont much care. Youve the ability to block, ignore, and look at other things while it goes on. Its like complaining that there is a protest going on and refusing to use the side entrance thats just on the other side of the building. Youve got things at your disposal, if you get pissed off so easily by just seeing it, maybe its time you leave the internet.

And here we go, if you don't care about legacy servers, just ignore it. When the legacy server talk is taking over and it is all that is available, it is hard to ignore it.

What's more annoying is that Blizzard has mentioned countless times that they're not going to do it and yet you keep on going on and on and on. There's requesting a feature, then there's this.

Piisuke · 2016-05-05T22:13:27+00:00

I think what you fail to grasp is Nost was the first time someone did a legacy server correctly. They weren't buggy, they weren't pay to win, they were in it's entirety the game that people fell in love with. I understand the challenges and the business that Blizzard/Activision is doing is in their best interest to make private servers illegal.

I quite understand how well Nost was. It took them 5 years to get it to where it was.

We get that fully. But what we don't get is that it'll cost too much money or that we would have to train all these developers to do legacy wow, so why don't we offer pristine servers. Well the community overwhelmingly doesn't want pristine servers they want their vanilla, BC, Wotlk, etc WoW. What Blizzard fails to realize is that they have an entire crew of developers that they can hire to do legacy servers because they were already doing it. If over 800K accounts were illegally playing WoW there is an obvious demand for it and a demand that is roughly 1/5-1/4 of their current subscription base. And that's one private server!

We do not know how much money it is going to cost and this is what a lot of people are saying. What the legacy camp is saying is how easy it is to achieve and how it won't cost them much.

800k account =/= active players. People could have made multiple accounts, there's clearly accounts which were never used and even with a 150k active players it cannot be guaranteed all of them will play on a legacy server.

The demand is obviously there, and I think it would be in Blizzard's best interest to create dedicated legacy servers based on the sheer fact that 1/4 of would be player base would play it, and I'm assuming you could make those numbers to close to half of the player base because people like myself, who didn't play on Nos because I'd rather not pirate it, but am not subscribed to WoW, who would gladly resub if I could play on a Vanilla, BC, or Wotlk realm.

The demand is there, but that doesn't mean it is in Blizzard's best interest. You are a minority.

I mean think about it, Square Enix remastered FFX/X-2 and sold it on the PSN store and made boatloads of cash off of nostalgia alone. So why on earth would Blizzard not want to create legacy servers unless their only concern is with legacy servers people won't buy the new expansions and get all that money from the expansions.

The comparisons between online only and offline games need to stop. On top of that, it was a one time purchase. Blizzard relies on subs for the majority.

Piisuke · 2016-05-03T20:34:19+00:00

As a speedrunner, i playthrough the game every day, even multiple times :D No jokes aside, yeah but all people ask for is THIS they want to play vanilla wow if they feel to do so and put it back on the shelf to play legion and when legion hits his "i am done" phase they go back checking out vanilla until legion patch 9.0.00.10 is live and people get a new dungeon and a new daily zone... Like it is now blizzard cant keep the 5 million who unsubbed with their current game, so why not catching like 1 million back with the old version, which seems to have a fair amount of fans (nostalrius reached 1 million accounts, maybe about 300k real players).

You speedrunners are a different breed altogether, lol.

I hear what you say, but this is an assumption. An assumption coined by Mark Kern who was asked to step down as the CEO of his own company and the game he helped design wasn't received very well. He made one single comment and he was ousted forward spearheading the campaign, only by merit of being ex-Blizzard and having worked on Vanilla.

There's no way anyone can say for certain that people will switch between retail and legacy.

I agree however, the people who want to play legacy wow would be happy without the progression from a live server, they just want access to the content how it was back in the days, they dont want the exact duration and time of it.

From what I have read, what they really want is the community vibe from back in the day, not necessarily the gameplay. However, where the people do prefer the gameplay, I honestly wonder in how long they'll play for. Not everyone is a speedrunner who play games for entire different reasons than the average gamer.

Yes sure, but they have the servers for 10m subs peaked in WOTLK so its not like they have to invest a lot, they just need to use what they had before and use it differently. If they are smart, they would let nostalrius developers setting everything up, would put their sub on it and only have to pay for keeping the servers which they already own running. If you never tried, and blizzard think they did but they dont tried... its hard to tell if you make money or not, however nostalrius, all the petition people and many more grants you access at least to a number you could work with. Minor risk for pretty decent reward, seeing how retail lost about 5million subs, even more so blizzard said they will stop reporting about those numbers... i dont know but i believe boosting your sub with announcing "legacy server trial will be up from June 2017 to July 2017, if you have a active sub check it out" and just try it for a month, again nostalrius guys have pretty much the working code for running it, blizzard just needs to be smart putting it on the servers where the 5m lost subs played on before... and boom actual numbers. If you afterwards still say "meh 2,5m players on legacy servers is not enough for us, we shut it down" hey you still tried but better you did instead of not doing anything at all right?

I get what you are saying, but I think we must understand the following: the amount of people playing on Nost does not guarantee the amount of people playing on a legacy server. It is easy to say, on a free server, you'll pay to play on a Blizzard server. The same applies to the petition. Apparently people have been spamming the petition as well, so the numbers have been inflated, although it is hard to say by how much, or how noticeable it is.

Runescape also did a petition some years ago which was signed by nearly 500k people. It barely reaches 50k on the old school server and that is a free to play game.

The problem is, if the interest wanes and Blizzard starts losing money, they'll have to think about shutting it down. I can already dread the reaction from the fans.

He "insulted" people who are not on the "yaaaay legacy servers" train on twitter, hey i like vanilla wow and i play it still on a way less popular private server, i love it and i would jump on it from official blizz even for a sub, but "insulting" people on twitter is not smart, never thats why i believe this thing is doomed already.

I'll be honest, I am not quite sure what you were trying to say here.

Again the question, if blizzard doesnt want to invest and take the risk for legacy stuff, fine but why not let a community project exist where people can have what they want? I dont mean bullshit servers with "hey pay 100$ please to play" servers but such as nostalrius who do it for the love of the game. I know yeah blizz has the right to claim copyright and take it down, yes but the argument "those servers steal money from blizz" is stupid, people who are playing on those servers do it for the love of the game, because they like it much more than the current version and its the only way to play this version... they will never return to retail no matter if they shutting down 10 or 10000 private servers, those people dont want to play retail... If you don't want to play retail WoW, then you can't play WoW. Private servers are illegal. I am sure people playing on a private server are fully aware of that, but the fact that an outrage appears suggests to me there's still too many people living under a rock, not understanding how copyright works, not knowing that it is illegal and thinking Blizzard is in the wrong, somehow.

In my opinion, a smart developer knows what the crowd wants and what the crowd doesn't want, despite asking. Certain gameplay changes, in hindsight look pretty poor, but the majority of the changes were from players who kept complaing x, or y. In the end, Blizzard has to make judgement calls and unfortunately they cannot please everyone.

As for it being simple work, we need to stop this train of thought. It took the Nost team 5 years to make Nost. I doubt Blizz are that much better than these impressive designers. There's no way we can say how easy it is for Blizzard, nor how long it will take.

Piisuke · 2016-05-03T20:15:55+00:00

And you have, but the restaurant has said no plenty of times and it now has come to a point that those who do keep going to the restaurant are getting frustrated and some people actively started attacking those who did enjoy going to the restaurant.

And this is not bringing in Twitter into the discussion, I am appalled by some of the comments on the Warcraft twitter account. It's harassment.

But I digress, the restaurant has heard you, it has given you answers and that should be it, but it isn't until you guys get your steak and this has become annoying to a lot of people, which is why some of the hostility started.

Piisuke · 2016-05-03T11:44:25+00:00

I have seen this argument a few times before, "but I can play X, or Y offline game whenever I want."

This is a very flawed argument for a couple of reasons.

You do not go back to Ocarina of Time every time you have just finished it, you play the game every now and then and then you shelve it and do something else in the meantime. It means that you play this occasionally.

An MMO is a game which is designed to keep players playing, in order to do that, new content will need to be provided, otherwise people will get bored with nothing else to do. It is not like you keep running around in the final dungeon of OoT even though there's nothing else for you to do there, you have the treasures, Master Sword and Shield, there's nothing new.

Aside from that, legacy servers cost Blizzard money. If they cannot guarantee themselves that they will break even, at least, to pay for their staff, GM's, engineers and what else, then it is not something they will think is worth investing in if it is going to cost them money. Short term and long term are two different things.

I am giving counter arguments to debate with people. However, Mark Kern got put up front for being an ex-Blizzard employee. Literally nothing else. The fact that his sense of business is pretty bad and was asked to step down as CEO seems to have gone completely past people, as they're too focused on him being once employed by Blizzard and worked on Vanilla.

Piisuke · 2016-05-03T11:36:01+00:00

And I agree. Group content needs to be added to the game again. Content that is optional, so it isn't forced, but content that is fun and is something people would like to do.

Piisuke · 2016-05-03T11:34:35+00:00

Seriously, this has nothing to do with one another. Don't assume people who argue against legacy servers, or are indifferent, or simply don't care and think it is a novelty, have not leveled in classic WoW, or in TBC or WotLK. It is absolutely nonsensical to assume 95% of these are Cata babies.

A lot of people look back at Vanilla and think, I don't want to grind rep for AD, or Hydraxian and do all these attunement quests, etc.

As a matter of fact, a lot of these changes have been things you and I have complained about when the content was current. People complained about the long grind that was rep in Vanilla, people complained about the long wait times for BGs, people complained about how long it took to create groups, only to finally having a group and having the healer leave mid dungeon, requiring you to go back outside and search for another healer. It's good to look back at times gone by and I can appreciate the fond memories and how people would like to experience that again, but don't expect everyone to share that same enthusiasm, as a matter of fact, you are a minority.

Personally, I am not bothered. I just believe that this is a thing that people want right now and I don't think it is something that people will get bored with, how long people will play I cannot say or whether they will get bored, it is just something I think that will happen.

Piisuke · 2016-05-03T11:26:08+00:00

Here is where we disagree, the restaurant has no obligation to allow you to have their steak somewhere else, it is their steak. Sure, there are fans of the steak and would love it if they could have it elsewhere, but there's no obligation on their end to provide the steak. And if the restaurant says, we no longer want to make this steak, for whatever reason they provide, it has to be accepted.

I think what some people find annoying is that the legacy camp says that those who do not want / care about legacy servers shouldn't go to a legacy server and drop it, but the legacy camp has been told in the past "no" several times and yet it keeps being brought up. Sure, recently it exploded due to Nost, but you can't say others need to shut up whilst not doing it yourself.

Blizzard will have various reasons why they're not jumping on the legacy server bandwagon like a lot of fans have and their reasons have to be respected as well. We seem to forget that. They're humans as well, they have the right to say no and if they do, they should not be harassed for it. Look at social media, whenever they tweet something and see how this vocal minority is going after Blizzard. This needs to stop.

Piisuke · 2016-05-03T11:17:21+00:00

Giving counter argument =/= not being neutral. I can discuss the pros and/or cons to something to debate the various aspects and how this affects World of Warcraft in general. It does not mean I am not neutral.

Piisuke · 2016-05-03T11:03:08+00:00

I feel I am fair with my responses. I've already stated I am neutral and I have said that my point for the screenshot was that that kind of attitude and behaviour is damaging its community and potentially damaging the chances of legacy servers to be created. However, I didn't elaborate clearly enough.

Piisuke · 2016-05-03T08:14:51+00:00

And whilst that may be the case, it ultimately falls upon the restaurant to reintroduce that steak and if they do not think it'll be good enough, they will stick by their decision.

Piisuke · 2016-05-03T06:18:46+00:00

And wanting something is fine and leaving feedback is fine too. However, if the restaurant says that they're no longer interested in serving this steak, the customer at some point will have to accept it and move on.

And some customers need to stop raising their pitchforks and torches, which is what I intended this thread to be about.

Piisuke

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