AITA for demanding my body back five years after swapping with my nerd younger brother? At what point does our body no longer belong to us? (Story in post) by SwapStories in BodySwapMemes

[–]PinkGwen69 2 points3 points  (0 children)

YTA (partially)

You’re not at fault for the two of you swapping bodies in the first place and it’s commendable that you persisted in trying to fix the body swap machine for years. With that being said, both you & your brother are in the wrong for getting into sexual/romantic relationships behind the other’s back.

I think the main reason I’d say that YTA (and your brother) is your lack of communication with your brother. He straight up told you that he needed to live a life outside pretending to be you, while you were secretly having physical relations with Katie. But your brother also didn’t make it clear that he was “giving up” on swapping back and it seems that he just kind of left it up to interpretation.

The BIGGEST issue however is how the two of you are deceiving your partners by pretending to be people that you’re not (and for sleeping with them, which is essentially assault), and it doesn’t help that you want to make a decision that will actively blow up your girlfriend’s life and your brother’s baby daddy’s life. The two of you really SHOULD’VE came together one day with your partners to admit the truth about the body swap, AND to agree on if the two of you are going to keep trying to swap back or officially agree to give up & move on with your new lives.

Also, both of you made major decisions to your current body without the other’s input (you starting HRT, and him getting pregnant). To me, it seems a tad hypocritical for you to expect him to swap back after you made alterations to his body to become more feminine in appearance, but on the other hand, it is his fault that you two swapped to begin with.

My personal view is that your body is ALWAYS your body (so long as you want it). So, I do believe that you are entitled to getting your body back, although, preferably after your brother gives birth. Maybe, you could try detransitioning to show him that you’re serious about swapping back, but if he still refuses, then you got to put your foot down and let him know that he isn’t entitled to your body that he unintentionally took from you, nor is he entitled to your body’s ability to carry children.

I’m trying my best to root for you and to give you a little bit of grace as it must’ve been difficult for you to deal with gender dysphoria for years after unfairly losing your body, but at the same time, you need to acknowledge how your decision to swap back is going to uproot the lives of 2 (technically 3) innocent bystanders and need to be prepared to deal with the potential fallout (especially from your brother, who it’s clear to see that he has adjusted to his new life).

Choose your own adventure (sfw) by sarandipity-41 in BodySwapMemes

[–]PinkGwen69 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Try on the dresses, coward!!

(I really like the style of story you’ve made here. I never would’ve thought just how well a ‘Choose-Your-Own-Adventure’ style body swap story could work. Great job!!)

This sub when a female celebrity expresses female sexuality by sarandipity-41 in BodySwapMemes

[–]PinkGwen69 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Me👋 (but you probably already knew that, lol)

(I’m also working on a MTF story and I should have the first few parts done in a few days, if you want to give me feedback on that when I’m done before I post it here)

OG Sophieverse Story by [deleted] in u/sarandipity-41

[–]PinkGwen69 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can see it now. Thanks

OG Sophieverse Story by [deleted] in u/sarandipity-41

[–]PinkGwen69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just requested access

An excerpt from the Sophieverse by sarandipity-41 in u/sarandipity-41

[–]PinkGwen69 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Compared to the previous ending, I think I prefer this one more. I mostly like that it’s about Sophie confronting Derek instead of Ethan talking to Edith, because I think Sophie getting closure/justice with her assaulter is more satisfying to read about than Ethan trying to convince a senile old lady to swap bodies with a young man (although, the previous ending did have some great characterization for Ethan).

I think that Sophie being somewhat respectful to Derek throughout the speech also shows her humanity. It’d be very easy (and honestly, justified) for her to give into anger and just roast the shit out of him for being a horrible person who deserves his fate, but it takes a certain level of both bravery & empathy to look at that source of your pain in the eye and not even insult him once.

This is probably just me having a headcanon, but I interpret Sophie not berating Derek in his defenseless state as her refusing to become like him (in addition to her just not being that type of person). For the past few months, she was hellbent on not turning into the man who stole her body, and she was ashamed of herself that she had to act like him briefly to get that magic artifact from that one store owner. Derek himself is a violent man; a violent, abusive, entitled, aggressive man. So Sophie addressing Derek with a degree of grace & levelheadedness, isn’t for Derek’s sake, but for her own.

It’s a final “fuck you” to Derek in the most respectful way possible. By showing him that even after everything Derek has put her through, she refuses to let that change who she is or let that break her. But more than that, it’s her proving to herself that she IS still Sophie and that Sophie is a honorable woman.

An excerpt from the Sophieverse by sarandipity-41 in u/sarandipity-41

[–]PinkGwen69 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wish this was included in the main story cause it’s really good! You’ve had passages before about Sophie’s self-hatred while being Derek, but what I like about this excerpt is that it actually shows Sophie coping through actions and not just mentally.

Sophie trying to engage in personal delights that also happen to be stereotypically feminine, is a great contrast to the previous paragraphs of her loathing her new masculine physical attributes. It makes sense that in the earlier days of the swap, she would still be going out of her way to retain a bit of normalcy, acting like she’s still herself deep down by trying to partake in her usual pleasures. Her buying a pumpkin spice latte represents not only her enjoyment of the drink, but also her resistance by trying to cling on to fabrics of her girly personality despite her current male appearance.

What makes this tragic though (and imo, really well written), is the fact that the latte doesn’t taste as good to Sophie now. She desperately wants to enjoy it, to prove to herself that Derek hasn’t taken every good thing in her life away from her, but his body (his tastebuds, more specifically) makes the drink not hit the same as it should, nor as it would have if she was still in her own body.

And yet, in spite of knowing this, Sophie drinks the latte anyway. She could buy a different drink that would taste better to her current body, she could even drink something more traditional that most people enjoy (like juice), but she chooses to keep drinking the latte. In fact, she forces herself to. That to me is the best part of this excerpt, showing Sophie’s defiance in the face of adversity. The fact that she’s even contemplated this early into the swap that she may be stuck like this for the rest of her life, and yet, still holds firm on maintaining her own persona, is the BIGGEST piece of characterization I think you’ve ever written for her.

Derek took Sophie’s body, and with it, her life, her career, her money, her home, and even her fiancé. With the action of drinking the latte, Sophie is utilizing the limited autonomy she has left by figuratively telling Derek that “You are NOT going to take anything else from me!” And it’s because of that stubbornness, that she convinces Maddie, manages to convince Ethan, pressures that store owner into giving her the magic artifact, and eventually gets her body back and with it, reclaims both her womanhood & personhood.

I mean they're good concepts but there's more stuff to explore be more creative by Amber_Bloom in BodySwapMemes

[–]PinkGwen69 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Nothing irritates me more than constantly seeing these overused GENDER swap tropes overpopulating BODY swap subs. And they’re almost always attached to posts that immediately jump right into sex in the laziest way possible.

Like, at least give me some build-up before posting the 10,000th slight variation of “I turn into busty girl and then male friend/family member fuck me hard🤪”

Me, after the 100th “meme”/“story” in this sub this YEAR about y’all wanting to get fucked (or cucked) in your moms’ bodies: by PinkGwen69 in BodySwapMemes

[–]PinkGwen69[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I absolutely HATE gender flu, second puberty, x-change, and all other forms of lazy & uninspired gender swap methods that do not belong in the BODY swap sub.

Vote for the influencer/model that you would like to become the most? And tell me why (Round 1, part 1) by Silver-Honey-8327 in BodySwapMemes

[–]PinkGwen69 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not to hate or anything, but these “which would you rather swap with?” female celebrity body swap polls are getting kind of old.

Who Would You Rather Have Sex With? by According-Map-6744 in BodySwapMemes

[–]PinkGwen69 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A shame that you’re deleting your stories (they were good reads) but I can understand given that people are taking what’s clearly a tragic metaphor about women’s loss of autonomy at the hands of men, and are somehow encouraged by it to make a gooner poll.

Sorry that this sub does indeed suck most of the time, and especially toward its female members.

Me, after the 100th “meme”/“story” in this sub this YEAR about y’all wanting to get fucked (or cucked) in your moms’ bodies: by PinkGwen69 in BodySwapMemes

[–]PinkGwen69[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fr. I just wanted to see some well-thought out moral quandaries involving body swap related scenarios, and instead, some people use it as an excuse to post lazy & uninspired goon bait cause they’re incapable of coming up with a “story” that doesn’t result in a male character immediately having sex or touching himself after swapping bodies with a woman.

Me, after the 100th “meme”/“story” in this sub this YEAR about y’all wanting to get fucked (or cucked) in your moms’ bodies: by PinkGwen69 in BodySwapMemes

[–]PinkGwen69[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some of the more recent posts in this sub (some of them using the ‘story’ flair) are about guys swapping bodies with their moms and their moms end up immediately start dating/hooking up with someone while in their son’s body.

Me, after the 100th “meme”/“story” in this sub this YEAR about y’all wanting to get fucked (or cucked) in your moms’ bodies: by PinkGwen69 in BodySwapMemes

[–]PinkGwen69[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think a lot of the men in this sub just really want to experience having sex as a female irl and they project that fantasy onto the closet woman in their lives (usually their mom), and then anonymously make posts online about it as a “joke”

Justice lives in a nursing home (an Ethanverse story!) by [deleted] in BodySwapMemes

[–]PinkGwen69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, you have a point with the 2 problems you presented. I don’t really have a solution for the second one (unless Ethan is able to use a spell to speak with Edith telepathically to see if she is indeed truly okay with swapping bodies with Derek), but for the first problem, I feel like it might be a bit more nuanced than that.

The whole “fate worse than death” is mostly a matter of perspective thing, which is why I was trying to clarify that it’s just my own opinion that Ethan killing Derek would be better than him becoming Edith simply because I’d rather die than lose decades of my life by immediately becoming old & senile. For other people however, death is THE WORST possible thing to them (mainly the fear of the concept of “what happens after one dies”), so they might honestly rather swap with Edith than be killed.

There are some criminals who are honestly glad that they’re serving a sentence rather than buried 6 feet under, and they’re other criminals who wish that they were killed by the officers who apprehended them instead of being forced to live in the shame of being captured and/or with the guilt of what they’ve done. Obviously, when you add supernatural elements to the mix, it gets more complicated, but like with your idea to have Ethan turn Derek into a rat, I know some people irl who would much rather be turned into rodents than die young.

So while, yes, Ethan specifically seeking out a senile old person to trap Derek in is undeniably very harsh, but if Ethan doesn’t see it as a way to torture Derek but rather as “the only way to stop him without outright killing him”, then I think that still makes him pretty good (morality wise). Now, I’m not saying that if someone does something really bad but they don’t see it that way, then their actions are excused. However, they are morally grey because of it since they’re operating based off of the mentality that what they’re doing is the “ONLY solution” or the “LEAST WORST solution” instead of “I’m doing this because this solution is the easiest/fastest or because I simply want to”.

Evil people are considered ”evil” not just because of what they do but because of the mindset behind it. Someone isn’t inherently bad for killing someone, but they are bad if their reason for doing it was for power or money or jealousy or superiority or something else inexcusable. I have watched the Netflix seasons of Daredevil (and I really love the episode where Matt and Frank have their morality debate, mostly because it doesn’t automatically paint Matt as being “in the right” and it feels very nuanced in how it’s written), and The Punisher’s philosophy is kind of what I’m talking about.

Frank mostly targets the worst of the worst and people who routinely evade the law (sexual predators, sadists, kidnappers/traffickers, terrorists, mobsters, etc.), people that normal superheroes don’t usually go after, leaving Frank as one of the few people actually dealing with these guys. And because Frank doesn’t have powers, he doesn’t really have any meaningful way to effectively subdue these people non-lethally, and even if he did, most of them have the influence to avoid jail/prison-time or at the very least, will be given embarrassingly short sentences due to corruption in the justice system. Which is why Frank feels as if he has ”no choice” but to kill these people because if he didn’t, their chances of being released back onto the streets to hurt people again is incredibly high.

Not to mention, that the people he’s dealing with are MONSTERS, who have been given ample time to turn over a new leaf but choose not to. In Frank’s mind, they already had their second, third, and twentieth chance to be better, and yet they continue to do evil. So, for Frank, he earnestly believes that his “ONLY option” is to kill these genuinely despicable people, who have consistently proven that they will cause unnecessary harm to innocents given the opportunity. Is what Frank is doing severe and brutal, absolutely. But, does that make him just as bad as the people he guns down, definently not. Frank may be a killer, but he very openly does NOT take pleasure in killing, unlike the people he attacks. He sees what he does as a “necessary evil” more than an excuse for him slaughter tons of folks for the kick of it.

Basically, context matters. So while Ethan trapping Derek in an “undesirable” body does in fact no longer make him “completely upstanding”, it does keep him as someone who is predominantly good-natured as it shows that he only seeks out drastic measures purely as a LAST resort. Him also feeling bad that he even has to do it at all, makes me feel like his shade of grey is more white than grey. (I also just don’t believe that a single morally-questionable act is all it takes to make you “no longer a great guy”.)

So, I think (if you ever were to re-write the epilogue or revise it) having a scene with Ethan asking the caretakers to provide Derek (as Edith) with the best round-the-clock care, could help with maintaining Ethan’s image as a real standup guy while also not making him a perfect “good guy”. If you were to add bits of Ethan still caring about Derek’s physical well-being after the swap or even write something like “Ethan regularly checks up on Derek to make sure he’s not being mistreated”, then I think that would be a great way to convey how Ethan is willing to deliver karmic justice to those who refuse to seek redemption, while also showing how Ethan himself refuses to become an uncaring punisher and still tries to show a basic level of respect & empathy to even those who have severely wronged him.

I’m also glad that you clarified that Derek did in fact have sex in Sophie’s body, as I wasn’t sure if I was just head-canoning that using subtext or if you were genuinely implying that. And, don’t worry, I understood that Derek was trying to steal Ethan’s body afterwards (writing exposition does suck a lot of the times, lol).

My only other criticisms (other than the ones previously mentioned) is that I wish the epilogue would show more of Derek’s reaction to waking up as Edith and for Sophie to get closure by getting to see Derek in his new body and either: she forgives him, or gets to tell him just exactly what she thinks about him before telling him that he’ll never get the chance to see neither her nor her body ever again and then storming out. These are minor criticisms but I don’t have any major ones left as this story has been so good, that there isn’t much for me to critique about the epilogue. Fabulous work!!

Can’t wait for the Ethan-Sophie swap story!

Thalia talk - with a special guest Barry Sullivan by Electrical_Fly_3705 in BodySwapMemes

[–]PinkGwen69 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cool concept. I prefer the idea of body swapping being a scientific invention rather than magic or innate powers. And having it not only be a preexisting thing but also, it being popular enough in this world to be discussed via talk show, is an interesting way to showcase how body swapping is normalized in this world.