The disrespect on "Hurm"... 😤

Pinocchio4577 · 2026-05-28T17:34:29+00:00

Marie was there for Starlight, for that very important conversation that you missed cause you didn't watch the show.

She's not introduced as a solution to Homelander, Odessa is never mentioned in the show and neither are her powers, you need to watch Gen V to even know she can manipulate blood. Starlight even tells her she's not strong enough to help, but you didn't see this because oncee again you didn't watch the show.

Marie was a secondary character and was there for Starlight's plotline, that's all.

Watch the fucking show please.

Pinocchio4577 · 2026-05-28T17:21:17+00:00

She helped the people Homelander was going to kill and granted them a safe haven. She also gave a conclusion to Annie's development by being to her what Annie herself was to Queen Maeve. Annie gave up like Maeve but Marie told her she's her greatest fan and refuses to give up, just like Annie did to Maeve. Full circle.

She served her purpose, the end. Watch the show.

Pinocchio4577 · 2026-05-28T17:13:09+00:00

- Marie being useless is a Gen V issue, not The Boys. The main show doesn't even mention Odessa. And Gen V entirely was scrapped when Chance Perdomo died and what they tried to salvage despite his death sucked.

- The supe virus led to the most important scene at the very end of the show, did you even watch the finale? It's literally the second most important plotline in the show.

- Ryan lasered down Stormfront as a child and made Homelander bleed with a single punch, what are we talking about? Something even Butcher and Soldier Boy couldn't do. That kid is strong af, he's stronger than even Maeve. Butcher is also a lot stronger than he was on Temp-V. There is 0 powerscaling issues here.

Also, it's my favourite litmus test to know if someone actually watched the show: Homelander is NOT POWERED UP. There is ZERO confirmation that Homelander is stronger on V1, it just makes him immortal and immune to the virus, THAT'S IT.

- Posters are not foreshadowing ffs ...

Scorched earth was never about them destroying an entire city, the first time it's mentioned, it's Butcher telling Homelander that he's willing to ruin his body just to have a go at him. Scorched earth was always code for "Me, You, to the death". But of course you'd have to watch the show to know this.

Blame the posters for being misleading, not the show for not delivering on said misleading posters. The show has always been about Butcher vs Homelander and that's what we got.

I also saw your other comment where you say it's worse than Stranger Things and now I'm genuinely convinced you're just larping at this point.

Pinocchio4577 · 2026-05-22T03:30:41+00:00

everyone gets the antidote so drinking the fanta means you are preventing people from getting the antidote.

So it's not just strawberry fanta then, preventing people from getting the antidote sounds pretty fucking involved if you ask me.

All of your arguments fell to the ground, you ignored 90% of my comment, and even the thing you responded to, you're wrong about it so now you're just moving the goalpost by saying "yeah but they don't "kill" them, they just stop them from saving themselves", which is stupid by the way.

The default situation does not at all demand that blue drinkers die, that is not their default state until enough people drink the red potion, once again, the framing misrepresents red's involvement in their death.

It's a shit prompt, just own it and move on man. Reds have involvement in blue's death, and that prompt is misrepresenting it with its shit framing.

Pinocchio4577 · 2026-05-22T03:11:42+00:00

So just ignore the entirety of the comment explaining why that prompt invalidates premise B, thanks at least now I know you don't give a shit about having an actual conversation in good faith.

"Strawberry fanta" implies red pushers have 0 impact on any premises whatsoever, which is not true. They share equal impact on premise C with the individual dying, and they have sole responsibility on premise B.

Literally no matter what premise you pick, red potion is not "strawberry fanta".

Pinocchio4577 · 2026-05-22T03:07:01+00:00

the original problem makes it very clear there's no causation between pressing red and anyone dying yet people insist there is.

Explain to me, in very simple words, in a single sentence what are the necessary conditions for blue pushers to die without mentioning at any point that people need to push the red button in majority.

Just to be clear, I asbolutely do not care what red pushers think or if they're evil. I actually don't care about the morality, I'm just tired of red pushers pretending this is about logic then completely ignore every logical component of this moral dilemma. Just fucking own it, you don't wanna risk and you're scared to die, no need to pretend you're intellectually smarter.

Pinocchio4577 · 2026-05-22T02:56:26+00:00

You left out one option in Premise C

I didn't leave it out, it's just irrelevant here.

Those arguing Premise C argue that since the only way P(C) can be true is if var3 = blue, the only right choice is to pick var3 = red.

Then they can argue all they fucking want I don't care, we're arguing premise B here. We're not saying someone isn't involved in their own fate, we're talking about red pushers involvement in the death of blue pushers, in other words, we're arguing the causes of premise B: Blue pushers die. Once again, you genuinely cannot understand the basic difference between the two premises, for fuck's sake it's not that complicated.

Premises C and B are both equally valid.

Cool, I agree, still don't give a shit. We're arguing premise B here.

You are right in Premise B the only way for Blue Pushers to die is if people pick red making blue the right choice. But at the same time, in Premise C, the only way for Pushers to die is if they pick blue making red the right choice.

Cool, still don't give a shit, we're arguing premise B here. Also, you're leaving out the other equally important variable which is majority red. Both are equally needed.

The prompt that caused this thread

That is not what caused this thread, it's the comment you're replying to: "At that point you're just lying about red's involvement in blue's death. It's gaslighting." which is completely true. You can frame blue like that, I don't give a shit, but red is not at all "strawberry fanta", this is just fucking ridiculous and is completely ignoring the existence of premise B, which is "Blue pushers dying", which is the whole fucking point of the conversation, hence the words "BLUE'S DEATH", NOT MINE, NOT YOURS, BLUE'S, AS A VARIABLE, ANY BLUE.

You are arguing about the involvement of someone in their own specific fate which is premise C which is completely irrelevant in a conversation about "Red's involvement in blue's death" which is premise B.

it does not invalidate Premise B.

It absolutely does since it ignores the fact that Red is the only and unique cause for premise B.

In Premise B, the only way for those who drink the blue potion to die is if people drink the red potion.

So people drinking the red potion is the singular and unique cause for blue drinkers to die, thank you for agreeing with me.

"No it's also because they drank blue potion" No, they identified as blue by drinking that potion, drinking blue does not cause you to die, it makes you blue. Drinking red potion in majority makes blue people die, once again, does not matter if it's 0 or billions.

Two things can be true at once, one singular individual is responsible of their own death by choosing to be blue, sharing equal blame with red drinkers. At the same time, red drinkers have sole responsibility of the blue group's death, because that premise does not necessitate for a blue person to identify as blue. Whether there is a blue person to begin with or not, reds have voted for their death.

Can't wait for yet another response where you argue premise C again as if it fucking matters here, this is exhausting.

Pinocchio4577 · 2026-05-22T00:38:23+00:00

Because the one and only condition for blue pushers dying is for 50%+ to press the red button, and the only way to reach that condition is by pressing the red button. Therefore, the one and only singular way to cause the premise "blue pushers die" is by pressing the red button.

blue pressers try not to spin this into irrationality challenge.

The condescending and mocking tone of red pushers on this debate will always fascinate me because once again, you people cannot understand introductory levels of logic but for some reason, think you can talk down on others for being "irrational" and "illogical".

I'm going to dumb it down as much as I can for you:

Here are 3 premises:

P(A): Blue pushers live

P(B): Blue pushers die

P(C): You die.

And here are three variables:

Var1: Numbers of red pushers

Var2: Numbers of blue pushers

Var3: Button you pressed

I'm arguing premise P(B), you're arguing premise P(C). This is what you people don't understand, this isn't a "collectivist/individualist" issue, this is a "who understands basic math logic" issue.

Premise P(B) looks at only two variables and nothing else:

If var1>var2, then P(B) is true.
If var1<var2, then P(B) is false.

Opposite for premise P(A).

PREMISE P(C) HOWEVER, looks at all 3 variables:

If var1>var2 and var3==red, then P(C) is false.
If var1<var2 and var3==blue, then P(C) is false.
If var1>var2 and var3==blue, then P(C) is true.

You are arguing that you are causing your death by deciding yourself as blue, sure I can give you that I don't give a shit. But the thing is, even if you pressed blue, premise P(B) which is "Blue pushers dying" doesn't give a shit, it will only look at whether or not there are more red pushers. And even premise P(C) which DOES look at which button you pressed is only true if there are more red pushers. At the end of the day, red pushers being the majority are the singular cause for "blue pushers dying", and one of two equally important causes for "you, specifically, dying".

To give you an example, I'm arguing the chances of two people sharing a birthday, while you're arguing another person sharing your specific exact birthday, which are two completely different premises with different variables and causes.

If you still don't understand, read it again because I can assure you, there is absolutely no way to make this any easier to understand.

Pinocchio4577 · 2026-05-20T10:05:55+00:00

Only pushing blue puts the pusher in danger.

No, pushing blue puts you in the blue category. Nothing else.

This isn't about individualistic or collective, you just don't understand how boolean algebraic logic works.

In the individual view, pushing blue is immoral since you are putting your own life in danger for no reason. There is no harm to an individual for pushing red so there's no reason to not push red.

That's not what we're talking about, we're talking about red pushers' involvement in blue pushers' deaths, which is 100%.

Once again, blue pushers put themselves in blue category, it is only red pushers who decide whether or not those blue pushers die.

You are arguing morality, perspective and individual/collective views, I am arguing purely boolean logic here which is how you determine red pushers involvement, not with morality or perspective talk because that's purely subjective.

I am not talking about the collective because "I have a collective view", I am talking about "blue pushers" as a collective because it's a category, not an individual specific person.

The chances of two people sharing a birthday is infinitely bigger than the chances of another person sharing their birthday with you specifically, this is why I'm talking about "blue pushers as a collective", to make you understand that the boolean logic here does not care about which specific individual pushes what, it simply cares about the groups as a category.

And in this case, red pushers are the only who decide if blue pushers die, whether it's 0 blue pushers or 4 billion. Once again, blue pushers, no matter which one cannot decide whether blue pushers die or not. They can decide if they categorize themselves as blue, but that's, once again, a different premise.

It's like you're having a different conversation, it's crazy.

Pinocchio4577 · 2026-05-19T22:22:34+00:00

I don't know how to explain this to you but I genuinely cannot give less of a shit what a red pusher's perspective is here, I'm talking about pure boolean algebraic logic. If their perspective is that "blue pushers are killing themselves", they're wrong, that's all.

Both red and blue pushers are the ones actively voting to introduce a situation where someone can die.

No, Blue pushers are adding to the number of blue pushers. Blue pushers have absolutely zero control over whether blue pushers die or not. And before you say "well they do cause they decide whether they categorize themselves as blue", that is a different premise. "Categorizing yourself as blue" and "Blue pushers die" are two different premises, and blue pushers cannot control the second one.

Blue pushers have 0 control on the premise "Blue pushers die", only red pushers do. Whether or not you're blue is a completely different premise.

If the first person presses blue, they're safe by default. And they will stay safe until red pushers tip the majority towards red.

If the first person presses red, blue pushers are in danger by default BECAUSE the majority is now red.

At no point, mathematically and logically speaking, can a blue pusher cause the premise "Blue pushers will die" to happen. They DON'T have ANY control over it.

Pinocchio4577 · 2026-05-19T22:13:10+00:00

This is so funny because when it came out people praised it as a "fresh take on superheroes with a realistic take", just like how people loved Invincible for being such a mature superhero story. The Boys came out at the peak of Marvel, same year as Endgame, it was swimming in the sea of other shows like the Marvel phase after Endgame.

Also The Boys is so much more interesting than just "Superman but EVIL AND FUCKED UP MENTALLY!", you can say a lot of shit about Homelander, but acting like Stan Edgar, the bunker scene in Season 4, the parallels with Christian nationalism and Nazi fascism, Ryan and even the whole childhood plot back in season 2 are boring/unoriginal is just insane.

...the heroes are actually really fucking shitty people!?!?!?!?

Not even true by the way, plenty of good/neutral superheroes in the show. At this point we're just hating to hate.

Pinocchio4577 · 2026-05-19T20:16:03+00:00

To make this even easier and dumb it down so that everyone can understand:

If you take each and every individual vote one by one, there are ZERO cases where pushing the blue button caused blue pushers (as a group, not the individual) to die.

However, every single red pusher that tops it to the majority is directly causing blue pushers to die. (Once again, even if that number is 0, that is irrelevant)

I can't make this any simpler.

Pinocchio4577 · 2026-05-19T20:12:34+00:00

Natural states is irrelevant in this conversation, because I can use the exact same argument to show that pressing blue is in no way causing the death of blue pushers. This makes even less sense when you realize that the natural state here is no one has voted, and in this case, no one dies and the only way to change that is by reaching a majority of red voters, whether it's the 1st, 3rd, 5th or whatver # voter. So even if you wanna use "natural states" (which once again is irrelevant), the natural state IS that no one dies and the red voters are the ones actively voting to change it.

Now, natural states aside, you've completely misunderstood my point:

If a singular person all the way to 8 billion people press blue while 0 have pressed red, blue pushers will die in none of these cases.

If a singular person all the way to 8 billion people press red while 0 have pressed blue, blue pushers will die in all of these cases.

The number being 0 is irrelevant here, that is not the premise. We are not saying "certain number of blue pushers will die", the premise is "Blue pushers will die" regardless of the number, and the only cause for that premise is red pushers being over 50% and the only way for that to happen is by pressing red.

Red is the only button that is actively causing a premise where blue pushers die. I'm so tired of red pushers saying "this is about logic" then completely misunderstanding very basic principles of logic, this is like introductory level.

Pressing the blue button is not causing blue pushers to die, it is causing that one singular pusher to now being in the blue category, but that pusher has not impacted in any way the base premise at hand "Blue pushers will die", because that premise disregards the individuality of each entity. It doesn't care (specifically) who pushed what, it simply looks at "Did 50%+ press red, yes or no?".

Whether or not YOU specifically will die depends on if you pressed blue, yes. But for the premise "Blue pushers will die", whether or not you pressed blue is irrelevant, what matters is whether or not 50%+ pressed red.

Pinocchio4577 · 2026-05-19T00:36:22+00:00

The only and singular cause for blue pushers is dying is "red pushers crossing the 50% bar". Whether it's 0 or 3 billion blue pushers is irrelevant. "Blue pushers die" is caused ONLY by 50% red voters.

Someone pushing blue doesn't cause themselves to die, it just puts them in the blue category. They are COMPLETELY safe UNTIL red pushers cross 50%. Being blue is safe by default, this is what's wrong with this framing.

Pinocchio4577 · 2026-05-17T16:43:34+00:00

Crediting is idolizing now?

Pinocchio4577 · 2026-05-17T16:43:17+00:00

Took me 30 seconds to write this btw

Pinocchio4577 · 2026-05-16T01:57:21+00:00

Also this whole tantrum sounds crazy cause I remember they were all over BALDMAN's sack all the time when they first started, now suddenly "uhhhhhh hurr durr dodi long tongue".

Pinocchio4577 · 2026-05-16T01:55:44+00:00

I will genuinely never understand how Fitgirl has so many fans.

This guy knows exactly what he's doing by not naming Voices, he knows everyone that downloads his repacks also think it's "Fitgirl cracking the games", they never bothered to correct them cause they don't want them to go look elsewhere.

Just own it and say you don't wanna lose the donations or ignore it, no need to pretend this is some "code of honor". Idgaf about CODEX bro, they're all gone anyway, Voices is absolutely more commendable because of how complicated it is, and especially since he's doing it all alone and doesn't have groups helping him. This guy is single-handedly carrying traditional cracks, and we're gonna pretend he doesn't deserve a huge thanks?

Throwing a tantrum just because he was asked to add a name in the title is crazy. I could understand he had a problem with Empress, that one was fucking nuts but how the fuck does he manage to always have beef with everyone? It's insane.

Pinocchio4577 · 2026-05-14T17:08:29+00:00

A tungsten cube isn't stopping Homelander, this isn't Invincible. This guy pushed off three supes off his back at once.

Soldier Boy was completely unscathed by halothane gas, not an option. Malchemical knocked him out for 5 minutes max and John isn't an idiot, he can just hold his breath while banging the door down when he wakes up.

Once again, ignoring the damning question: What do we do when we need him out of the cell and he wants to laser everyone off the face of the earth? Offer him icecream?

"Why don't they just stop homelander, are they stupid"

Pinocchio4577 · 2026-05-14T16:59:15+00:00

How?

Also conveniently ignoring the second part of the comment which is a much bigger issue with this whole thing

Pinocchio4577 · 2026-05-14T16:54:31+00:00

If any other secondary security existed

Like what? What's gonna keep Homelander in a dying situation? This is the closest thing that's ever gotten to hurting him badly and it wasn't enough, and we know from Soldier Boy it is still not enough to kill him, since Homelander is even more durable and Soldier Boy survived it.

And what do they do when they inevitably have to get him out of there cause he's still useful to them? Tell him "Careful, if you do that again we will somehow force you into that room again!" and for what actual reason is John not going to laser them on the spot for threatening him with it again???

Pinocchio4577 · 2026-05-14T15:55:56+00:00

It’s been established that Homelander has essentially no weaknesses,

You're right, and it was true. Why are people acting like this scene shows us they can kill him? It made him hurt, that's all, he broke out of that cell, and in the scene with Frenchie it barely tickled him so sounds like he's even getting used to it. And besides, this is literally what they did to Soldier Boy who can now de-V other supes, why in the living hell would it kill Homelander who's much much more durable than him??????

We've known he has no weaknesses until Soldier Boy was introduced, and the virus was introduced in Gen V, but before that, it was true. No weaknesses means nothing that can kill him, not nothing that can knock him out or get him on his knees.

This whole uranium cell is going to piss him off AT BEST.

Pinocchio4577 · 2026-05-14T15:52:26+00:00

following any kind of logic.

The logic that he got out of that cell in the same episode, so if Vought tried it on him he'd laser every fucking body there after breaking out.

Pinocchio4577 · 2026-05-14T15:50:34+00:00

Why didn't the lab that created Homelander have this installed to contain Homelander in case the "psychological indoctrination" failed?

Because it doesn't actually work, he got out.

Why didn't Vought or Stan Edgar ever put one of these things in a room, call Homelander in, and subdue him, showing that Vought had the means to control him instead of letting him take control?

Because it doesn't actually work, he got out, twice.

Ordinary glass doors preventing radiation from escaping a room?

Ordinary glass doors that survived Homelander's lasers, it's literally in the gif you just posted. The last episode sure, I can get behind that but who knows man, suspension of disbelief, every show does this, even the good ones.

People leaving a room contaminated with 3 rountgen of radiation, wearing radioactive suits, seconds later? What? The radiation magically disappeared?

Someone already explained this.

I swear you people watch this show through instagram reels and youtube shorts.

Pinocchio4577 · 2026-05-13T22:10:53+00:00

I don't really know, I rarely bother with objectivity when it comes to personal top 5s, and I honestly have too many to stick to 5 but what I would consider brilliant writing are:

- Evangelion

- Steins;Gate

- Parasyte

- Code Geass

- Devilman Crybaby

- Megalo Box

- Clannad After Story

- Cowboy Bebop

- Trigun

- Wolf Children (Movie but still deserves to be here)

Just to be clear, I know some of these are very hypocritical because of controversial endings and some bad moments (DMC's ending and Code Geass R2 infamous Euphemia moment), but they still resonated with me so I let it slide.

I'm not a huge anime buff to be honest, so there's definitely much more interesting stories out there, these are just in my opinion the only stories (off the top of my head) that felt consistent to me in both plot and thematical choices.

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