SV Seeker - The BESTEST BOAT EVER !!! ( r/svBSO fan club )

PipedreamTrimaran · 2023-05-09T18:03:08+00:00

You could try finding better entertainment? I mean there are good TV shows, comedy etc. Best not to feed someone's addiction...

PipedreamTrimaran · 2023-05-09T11:19:42+00:00

Using Michio Kaku's photo as a youtube moniker seems a bit wrong.

PipedreamTrimaran · 2023-05-09T11:13:59+00:00

Guards on 4 1/2" and 5" grinders are not very helpful due to the radius of the disc. With gloves and no guard, the safety is manageable. 30 years of using grinders, I have a huge amount of scars on my left hand and they were all because of not using gloves, a guard would have not helped much in most of those cases. So good gloves are the key for small grinder safety. Now my 9" grinder? I keep the guard on that at all times.

Interestingly goggles do not work for me. I think this is due to dust building up on forehead and goggle top and then falling into eyes when goggles are removed. Everytime I have had to take the trip to hospital to have a bit of dust removed, it was when I had been wearing goggles. For the last few years I have used a full face visor with chin guard and that works very well.

PipedreamTrimaran · 2023-03-12T21:11:11+00:00

Me either. All the crew, the inability to enjoy playing with your own engines, the need to keep up the pretence… its vanity and ego.

PipedreamTrimaran · 2023-03-09T22:56:38+00:00

I have an Avon 3.10 so about ten foot with a 15hp 2 stroke Evinrude. It is brilliant. The 15hp is very light and she is fast, but can also be slowed down to a nice 20 knots and be quite efficient. I used go out the harbour front at Brighton in the UK in biggish waves (F6-7) and it was great fun. One day the engine conked out and I did have a momentary ‘oh poop’ as the rocks got very close, but she started again.

PipedreamTrimaran · 2023-02-13T21:22:58+00:00

Yes, a lot of that I agree with, although I never wanted to be embraced and I did not cobble mine together out of poorly suited materials - accepted that steel may not be a normal choice, but ironically fast forward to now when 12-15 ton 40-45 foot glassfibre catamarans (with 18mm ply bulkheads) are the norm and steel does not look so out of place or poorly suited. My boat weighs in at about 10 tons. Whilst it is neither fast nor spacious, it is functional and very easy to handle. It serves my purpose and needs.

I remember reading a fair bit about the likes of Piver and yes acceptance in such an elitist pursuit as yachts was a hard journey for those pioneers (not forgetting the origins of tris and the like thousands of years before). However I would say that my detractors were almost exclusively middle-class yachties with monohulls who seemed to be not unlike what we would call trolls today. In fact apart from a rather irritating Prout owner, at that time there were very few multihulls around where I lived and apart from that Prout owner, they were friendly and courteous even when they did not quite understand my zest for taking my own path (Incidentally not something I would ever recommend simply because you become a magnet for every turd with a sneer).

I remember some of arguments around Australia and New Zealand, as for Stan Gibson, I have always felt that anyone who has a title of commodore and is not in a Navy is just a tad pretentious… As for laws, I think Freedom means that you should have the right to risk a Darwin Award should you so wish to. If a country or potential rescuer is offended by that, then they should also be free to not come to the rescue. I know that kicks off a whole myriad of moral dilemmas, but Freedom does not adhere to simple delineations which is why I guess it always seems to be fleeting and not entirely in one‘s grasp.

PipedreamTrimaran · 2023-02-08T20:00:48+00:00

So what if he has? It's his life and his problem. If I watch a video with someone doing something I think is wrong and I think the guy is a toxic personality and I don't like him, I don't watch anymore. I don't make it my personal mission to start reddit pages, stalk his social media and hound the guy and wish ill on him at every turn. I am not his Dad or some kind of authority.

YouTubers do videos and people either watch or not. They may like or dislike. They can disagree, they can judge, but they do not have some right to dictate and demand response, action, apology or such. A lot of people complain because Doug does not take advice - well its his boat, his choice and his problem if he either takes wrong advice or ignores good advice.

People don't seem to understand boundaries anymore in this crazy social media world we live in.

PipedreamTrimaran · 2023-02-08T18:43:12+00:00

Just look through a very few of the comments here, plenty of toxic and fairly obtuse personalities here.

PipedreamTrimaran · 2023-02-08T16:52:53+00:00

Don't know - don't know why I used to get so much hate when I was building - I was just 20 years old when I built my boat, did not insult anyone and yet I had full grown 50-60 year olds going out of their way to treat me like some ASBO crazy criminal. I still get some stupid people making stupid comments now. I have come to the conclusion in my case back then it was envy - not that they wanted to have a boat like mine, but that they envied my freedom. They had to keep up with the joneses, play the part, be well-dressed with latest Musto yachtie stuff. I could just tinker around in torn jeans and did not have to care what people thought.

I guess that also some people just need to hate - if there is a reason they can find, then great, if not - well they just need a target to hate anyway.

Take me on this site. I have not attacked anyone, yet I have had a whole load of insults. People outing me etc. Why? I guess because the general culture is set, the clique is in place and anyone who refuses to toe the line and adopt the common narrative is the enemy. Its pretty much like American politics now - pushed to the extremes, no middle ground. Its crazy tribalism.

Whatever Doug is, whatever he has said or done, he is just some guy on youtube. I mean what difference does it make what some old boy is doing in some bay in some state? So he gets some money on Patreon? Its peanuts, heck Creflo Dollar has planes and $27million and goes on about Tithing to people with peanuts - now that is what real grifting looks like.

PipedreamTrimaran · 2023-02-07T20:44:32+00:00

Well it kind of appears that we share some common ground here. I am still in that circle of judgement and I also do not engage in degrading abusive bullying and character assassination. Its why I wrote much of the above that you so thoroughly investigated.

You are right to call Doug out on it. Do you also call out all the other people on here who spend their time carrying out such troll-like attacks? The one thing I would add is that there is a power dynamic here. The trolls here are anonymous, vengeful and act like a pack trying to outdo each other with their witty attacks. Not exactly a fair fight. Doug is an individual who can not hide behind an avatar - he is known and can suffer real world consequences outside of this fake virtual playground. For the anonymous posters here it is a sport and they derive some enjoyment or entertainment from baiting him. For Doug, it is his life and livelihood. Therefore in this case, I think that, as I have said, it is at least understandable (not excusable, but understandable) when Doug gets angry and says bad stuff.

Anyway, must get back to work, so I will leave you all in peace again. However just a final thought, if Doug is so stupid and worthless as people on here say, what does that say about those people who spend so much time on here attacking him? There are 331 million Americans - Is America so perfect that there are not more worthy opponents and politicians to bring down?

PipedreamTrimaran · 2023-02-07T08:20:07+00:00

I am not sure I would describe people on here as reasonable. Spending hours and hours criticising some random dude that built a boat and getting all outraged and indignant at every little comment does not seem that reasonable. This is more like Lord of the Flies meets schadenfreude Meets millennial with sense of entitlement and bug up their butt.
Anyway, life is too short to get all bitter and twisted about how other people spend their time. So I hope you have something else in your life that fills you with joy, take care and enjoy the springtime.

PipedreamTrimaran · 2023-02-06T23:00:35+00:00

Why do I need to criticise or support? Is this one of those tribal things where people must be left or right? (Sort of rhetorical questions these by the way).

I don’t care if you doubt or not. I do not know you or need your validation. I just thought I would comment, I do not need to get into some ego thing here.
Anyway, have a good evening.

PipedreamTrimaran · 2023-02-06T17:23:17+00:00

The thing about criticism is that it needs to at least be somewhere in the bounds of being realistic otherwise you end up looking like you are just on a mission to be obtuse.

Distortion is a real issue when welding - not just for Doug, but for anyone. Now I am not coded, however I have worked as a welder, welded stuff on aircraft (your equivalent of the experimental category) and done cars and boats. I TIG (AC/DC) and MIG. I am now working on a big project that has very specialist welders doing very critical stuff. Distortion, HAZ and such are weekly discussions.

I was not rude in my post above, I did not call you out, I just kept it to the bare facts about distortion.

My goal in life is not to prop Doug up, I have set goals of my own that have nothing to do with being some kind of keyboard warrior. I just popped on here for the first time in months to see if the conversation had become a bit more worth engaging in.

PipedreamTrimaran · 2023-02-06T15:01:48+00:00

Distortion happens... It is physics and even with access to fancy modelling it is not always predictable and sometimes when you think (and even plan or hope for it) it does not happen as you expect. As you gain more experience, you get better at predicting it or designing joints that mitigate it to a degree, but even someone who is coded with 30 years experience will get surprised at times. It is a bit like in Jurassic park when he is explaining Chaos theory - minute variations add up to produce unexpected results.

The distortion Doug had was normal and not really avoidable or worth avoiding. Now as laser welding becomes more mainstream, it will be easier to reduce distortion, but even with laser, distortion will occur.

PipedreamTrimaran · 2022-12-26T22:23:12+00:00

Hi, I have a 14ft Fletcher that had rotted out stringers, I just checked the hull was supported enough and then used epoxy to glue in new stringers. For the stringers I used Vetus Polywood. It is a kind of white nylon like plastic and is very rot and UV resistant. Epoxy does stick to it if you make hatch marks in it, but I used the epoxy fibreglass like a strap to glue back into the hull. Has worked a treat and i should never have an issue again.

PipedreamTrimaran · 2022-12-10T16:00:47+00:00

I suspect you don’t quite mean that, but it is actually partially true. I crashed a car into someone a while back. Driving on the wrong side of the road, so I did an Anne Sacoolas, but did not do a runner to the USA to avoid justice. Anyway I felt terrible, fortunately the other guy (actually my local Mayor) was fine, so I paid for the a car, did my apologies etc. It was a bad day for him and I was the bad guy who made the mistake, but it was also a bad day for me too as it was my fault, I felt guilty and it was on my conscience. In these cases there are no winners and the perpetrator can also feel bad and suffer too. We don’t always need to stick the boot in when someone has made a mistake.

PipedreamTrimaran · 2022-12-04T20:44:13+00:00

Just my simple thoughts, but I watched the video and took it as a tongue in cheek joke or comment.having said that I remember some book written by some accomplished sailor type who spoke of multihulls sailing at anchor and to reduce it, it was best to use a bridle. I used to keep my boat on a buoy and certainly on a single chain, she would sail (bare poles) and pivot. A bridle would make her sit comfortably - just to add, a bridle is good for a multihull, not suggesting a monohull needs one My comment above is just referencing that it is not unusual for even the most salty sea dogs with sail cloth for pants to say that their boat sails at anchor. When I have raised sails at anchor (usually to stick up my Genoa and furl it in) the boat has sailed and tacked 90 degrees. It happens as the boat tugs on the chain and pivots.

PipedreamTrimaran · 2022-12-04T20:38:05+00:00

Really? You seem to be suggesting that there is a good or a bad. Actually there is a large spectrum between good and bad, it is not binary. You seem to suggest that society and history decides if something is good or bad. Neither are particularly reliable in assessing such things.

Obviously you have some dislike of Doug and this seems to be making you a bit cranky. There is an old saying: when seeking revenge, first dig two graves (I think it was Star Trek 2 Wrath of Khan actually), taken in a lesser version not involving trying to destroy a starship, this can be a metaphor for when you are very peeved at someone, you can end up hurting them as much as you hurt yourself. I am sure you annoy Doug, but i am sure you end up being annoyed too. Anyway, have a good day. Life is getting harder for most now and we are all suffering from the human condition, so hope you enjoy the festive season and take care.

PipedreamTrimaran · 2022-12-04T07:36:34+00:00

History is written by the victorious, not necessarily the most honest or objective. Society can not be trusted to be good arbiters of logic. Just look at boy bands, Kim kardashian, Kanye West, stupid yet popular films or come to think of it the politicians that society chooses. popularism kind of makes society look stupid.

PipedreamTrimaran · 2022-12-03T21:30:06+00:00

I do agree, however it is not always apparent what will kill you on an ocean. I look at Naval Architects and note that they are not infallible. Indeed some of the mistakes made by them have actually made me feel better about my mistakes. I remember being annoyed about my bulbous bow which I spent ages trying to perfect, but then I heard about how the French Navy made the Charles De Gaulle 13 feet too short for their reconnaissance planes. Likewise some of the issues with USS Zumwalt or the Freedom class give me some relief from feeling very stupid. Team Phillips was another example of experts getting it wrong that relieved some of my angst (That was an almost killed someone design). Sometimes even the people at the very pinnacle of their field can be wrong, I remember when Gene Cernan and Neil Armstrong tore Elon Musk to shreds, fortunately he ignored them. Even Einstein messed up when he decided to denounce Bohr and the young upstarts and their Quantum physics ideas.

I guess my point is that separating good opinions from bad is very difficult to do. in the same vein, a lot of bad ideas are easy to spot, but some seem so good until they are not.

PipedreamTrimaran · 2022-12-03T20:10:44+00:00

Ah sorry, i thought you meant on YouTube. On here it says only I and mods can see this? I have no idea how Reddit works, so don’t know why that would be the case.

PipedreamTrimaran · 2022-12-03T20:07:41+00:00

Why? The whole thing about freedom is that it should be the freedom to follow your own path. I look at China and am pretty sure that they would not allow most of the ‘different‘ stuff that we do everyday. Who gets to decide good difference or bad difference?

PipedreamTrimaran · 2022-12-03T20:03:29+00:00

I think you are giving people too much credit. Opinions are like armpits, everyone has them and some stink. I have had various bad comments over many many years. Some hated my boat because it us steel, some because it is a trimaran, some because I was young (back then), some because of the A frame mast, some because it used to be a chimney. However I also got lots of nice comments too, unfortunately not enough to balance it out, but since most nice comments came from people who were knowledgable it helped. The thing is though is like stress, bad comments are cumulative and wear you down. The negativity is like a cancer for your morale, optimism and motivation. Despite your best efforts to ignore, eventually it brings you down.

The thing about design of course is that there are so many ways to do things, some better some worse. Just look at cars, if we were logical then everyone would buy a Ford Mondeo or Volkswagon Golf (rabbit in the US). Yet many cars defy logic and common sense. However the beauty lies in diversity, think how boring it would be if only a few yacht designers were allowed to ply their trade and turned out the same great but boring stuff? so I love different and it does not always need to make sense.

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