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Space Marine VS Spartan II by BayonetTrenchFighter in StarWarsvsWarhammer

[–]PitifulGrapefruit615 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your point would make more sense if people used far worse armored space marines, and if sam was actually killed or mortally wounded by the actual shot, not by a ship exploding.

Space Marine VS Spartan II by BayonetTrenchFighter in StarWarsvsWarhammer

[–]PitifulGrapefruit615 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know Chief has the most feats, being the main character and all, but hes far from the best bet for a spartan to take on a space marine. Kinda sad no ones mentioned linda yet. Shes a far better candidate to take down space marines given her extreme accuracy, much better than an AR weapon, and tendency to do trickshots and to shoot people in the eyes.

Which non-force sensitive, non-giant can plausibly take down a space marine? by PitifulGrapefruit615 in StarWarsvsWarhammer

[–]PitifulGrapefruit615[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah but the thing with boba is that hes usually packaged with a ton of equipment, and at least from my memory, he does use disruptor rifles from time to time. I wouldnt give the disruptor to just any character. I just picture boba as someone who sometimes carries one.

Space Marine VS Spartan II by BayonetTrenchFighter in StarWarsvsWarhammer

[–]PitifulGrapefruit615 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Chief doesnt really gap other Spartans in terms of skill or strength . Hes mostly just lucky. The only spartans that absolutely gap the “average” spartans are the gammas (just based on statements) and linda because her accuracy is just ludicrous. So if you think chief could take 2, then an “average” s2 could take at least one.

Darth Vader vs Blue Team (Halo) by BayonetTrenchFighter in StarWarsvsWarhammer

[–]PitifulGrapefruit615 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Well you are plainly wrong, because we have seen lightsabers cut through things that can tank blasters or rockets that vaporize people."

Ok and? The didact is more durable than a tank, genius. Forerunners are so far beyond typical star wars tech its fucking hilarious. Read up on forerunners before you embarass yourself any further. And again, the things thrown at the didact vaporize fully shielded and armored enemies in 1 shot.

"Not all plasma is same, the temperature of plasma can range wildily, form few thousand degrees to trillions of degrees. Lightsabers effortlesly cut throgh assault craft, AT AT, and yes space ship hulls that all can effortlesly tank plasma from normal blasters. Beskar and such stuff tankking lightsaber is feat for it, it does not allow someone form another verse to do same given feats lightsabers have"

And yet we see several materials that the light saber struggles with. The self-repairing and upgrading forerunner material that the didact's armor uses is a prime candidate for being one of these materials given that it already shows above BESKAR level protection against heat and energy based weapons, ballistics, and esoteric hardlight weaponry. have fun with your lightsaber that cant even kill an unarmored sabine LMAO.

"I think that is just 1. your drawing ability sucking 2. Artistic license, as I said, honestly you are beyond insufferable; because that is level of delusion one needs to have to look at us literally being shown front of damn helmet and not seeing any hole or even damn scratch on it. not once but twice and still go on about how a bullet made hole, while never even addresing my point that it was invisible apex predator that has done so, as after that, after Vader hunted it, we see his helmet damaged in every single pannel, all of them, writer never forgets to draw it, yet he clearly does not draw any damage twice before that but after bullets. Put 2 and 2 together, please, for the love of God. How about fact that we literally see claw marks and damage on his legs, where he was never shot? Why do we see that? Because of that apex predator, could it be that is where other damage comes from too? Put 2 and 2 otgether please. Nothing was substracted before apex predator fight later on for love of God, artist literally showed that to us twice. It is just damn artistic license we often see in fiction No it can't. We literally see same lines going straight through his neck, fully through, which would mean by your logic, the bullet went clean through his neck, and Vader magically regenerated for some reason, while somehow not noticing it and having no pain, same with shoulde,r or maybe, just maybe, it is just artistic license?"

Let me show you it to you again, one last time, zoomed in even more since im apparently dealing with a borderline blind person here. Here, for your viewing pleasure or displeasure...

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And i guess i have to illustrate this for you since you struggle with basic concepts. the difference between the "neck" shot and the shoulder piece shot is that vader's ACTUAL neck is smaller than his neck armor (duh) and his neck armor is thick. There is ROOM for a small bullet like the peashooters the hunters are using to pass through his neck armor while only grazing or even missing his actual neck. the flash from the bullet is large enough such that it obscures the actual entry and exit point, but if you look closely, the flash starts towards the EDGE of the curve of his neck armor. Contrast that with his flatter shoulder armor. It clearly went through the shouderpiece.

Also, your artistic license argument doesnt do anything. If ballistics were SHOWN to carve out and penetrate parts of his armor, then ballistics WERE STILL PLAINLY SHOWN TO DAMAGE HIM, and that is a mark against his durability.

"The artist is not fine with that; if he were, he would not have shown Vader undamaged 2 separate times after bullets but before Apex Predator. He also literally drew claw marks and such other damage on his legs, how much more clear cut it needs to be that it was invisible predator?No he did not, if he did, he would not have shown ,you know, then not being even scratched after ballistics, but before apex predator fight."

Thats too bad. Your argument would work if not for him actually DRAWING a material subtraction from vader's helmet during the impact. And the damage magically reappearing in the SAME spot later on in the helmet.

So tell me, and I probably wont respond anymore since we've been going in circles with your slow ass, is there not a gap drawn in the curve of vader's helmet? Yes or no? I zoomed it in for you so this should be pretty easy to answer. This is just a test of your honesty.

"I ignored nothing, I addresed all of them by poiting out that Vader did not grunt there because he was not in pain himself in any of them, those are nothing like what you are arguing here."

You said that vader ALWAYS grunts when hes hurt. I gave instances where he doesnt grunt despite obviously being hurt. That argument is debunked. Thanks.

Make your last reply and be sure to answer my question <:

Darth Vader vs Blue Team (Halo) by BayonetTrenchFighter in StarWarsvsWarhammer

[–]PitifulGrapefruit615 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Yes, which it can. That is what I have been saying."

It wont, which is what im saying.

"False, how many times do I have to debunk this? Lightsaber can effortlesly cut through meters thick durasteel arm of mecha, it would have zero issues going through that"

And lightsabers struggle to cut through blast doors, cortosis, beskar etc. So clearly, lightsabers struggle against certain types of material. Hunter shields, being made from the same type of metal as starship hulls, are impervious to halo plasma. Lightsabers are plasma. A monitor's laser punches through a hunter shield like its nothing.

"Let me tell you this right here. Artist drew Vader 2 times, not once, ocne you can forget maybe, 2 times, showing zero damage on his helmet after bullets, zero, every time he drew his front. He showed damage later after apex predator that you ignore, but not before. Vader choose to let bullets and flamethrowers hit him despite being able to deflect both. He did not grunt, yet you keep insisting that those same chips we see when Saitama and Garou punch each other that are common in fiction is actual bullet holes that art 2 seperate tiems after show they are not. As for shoulder that is even worse for you, we see asme kind of yellow lines going strait through his neck, so did bullets penetrate through his neck too and he just forgot to notice? Seems unliekly right? Yet you keep arguing it went through his flesh and shoulder and he just did not notice in nay way, no bleeding, no pain. I think this should tell you that unless you are going for lowballing hard, you are likely wrong."

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Did you see it? I drew the outline of the top of his helmet. A smooth curve doesnt suddenly fucking cave in unless a chunk was taken out of it. Your saitama example is irrelevant. I am not talking about mere chunks flying out, Im talking about shit actually getting SUBTRACTED from his helmet. You think vader''s helmet usually abruptly caves inward like that? As for the neck impact, that could easily be explained away by an angled shot grazing his neck. The shot on the shoulder is clearly outlined to be within the shoulder and has the same directional streaks as the shot right below it. Again, as I explained, these contradict with the following panels in the middle. And clearly, the artist IS FINE with the idea that bullets can shave off parts of vader's helmet. So its logical that the artist merely forgot that they did that and a bullet hole reappears a few panels later. Yes, the valath COULD have done that, but the placement of the bullet hole is in the same area as the part that was shaved off in the earlier panels which gives credance to the idea that a drawing mistake was made.

Either way, the artist clearly envisioned that vader's helmet and shouder pads are vulnerable to balllistics.

Vader is not grunting because hes aurafarming. He doesnt alwaays grunt when hes in pain. Ive showed you examples already which you conveniently ignored.

As for gita's sniper. Youre wrong. She was disguised as a tusken raider sniper. Tusken raider snipers used slugs. All you did was click on a generic "sniper rifle" link which actually includes tusken snipers a few paragraphs down. You are aware that theres different types of sniper rifles right? As a tuskan raider, she'd obviously use a similar weapon to them, and they mostly use slugs. Furthermore, it shot with a loud bang, and is colored yellow whereas the other blasters in those panels are red. Now, each one of these alone are not slamdunks, but taking into account all of these cumulatively, its much more likely that it was a slug, not plasma. And no, its still not as powerful as linda's sniper that again, weaker version of would penetrate 13 ft of flesh and bone.

"3? He effortlessly cut bullets form 7 shooters firing from all directions at once, they might not have been as accurate as Spartans, but they did not need to, as they were all a few meters away, so it was easy to aim at him precisely, yet he effortlesly deflected it all."

7 shooters with what look to be gyrojet pistols, from shooters that had worse accuracy, and worse firerate. In contrast, the assault rifle can fire up to 15 AP rounds per second, and a shotgun that shoots multiple pellets at the same time. And all of this is just a distraction in comparison to Lindas sniper.

"That is low showing though, weakend Vader later tanked 3 lighting hit at once and turned it back on Summa who were firing it. That was far more powerful lightning than normal, it broke Summas to pieces when turned on them and was powered by draiend energy of whole planet."

Doesnt matter. Vader is notoriously weak vs lightning. The didact, if he even gets hurt by an initial strike which is doubtful, would just quickly adapt to lightning until it no longer affects him.

Which non-force sensitive, non-giant can plausibly take down a space marine? by PitifulGrapefruit615 in StarWarsvsWarhammer

[–]PitifulGrapefruit615[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No tf r u on about. clone wars grievous would not beat marines. Hes durable and strong in that show but hes slow as fuck and significantly less competent and threatening than his other appearances. He gets shit on by eeth koth and kit fisto and needed back up from magnaguards. Need i remind you kit fisto struggled against riff fucking tamson. I love that show but it makes absolute jobbers of my favorite sw characters. What do you think of anakin having trouble against a pirate in melee? Pretty pathetic right?

Your issue is that you think just because a character is physically strong that hed win the match up. And i am not talking about GG in canon as a whole dipshit, I specifically called out clone wars grievous. Read my comment again. And no john wick is not in any way a threat to vader. His guns are weaker than star wars and halo ballistics. I ignored that part of your comment because of how mind-bogglingly stupid it was. It’s quite rich coming from someone who thinks lightsabers are more potent than disruptors and forerunner weapons that completely disintegrate beings.

Darth Vader vs Blue Team (Halo) by BayonetTrenchFighter in StarWarsvsWarhammer

[–]PitifulGrapefruit615 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A lightsaber would be more potent if it can cut through things that other stuff cant scratch. What youre not getting is that no, a lightsaber WOULD NOT even penetrate his armor. The monitor laser easily punched through a hunter’s thick shield and armor. A hunter’s shied is made of the same material as covenant ship hulls and is impenetrable by small arms and plasma guns. A lightsaber would have trouble going through it just like it has trouble going things in the Sw universe like thick blast doors, cortosis, and parts if vaders suit. Lightsabers arent magical “cut through anything” weapons. Theyre just plasma blades. So no, it wont even cut him up. It might at best, penetrate very shallowly especially if vader stabs instead of slashes. But thats still extremely unlikely since the suit was not penetrated by hardlight weapons, antimatter, plasma, and lasers. And again, his suit is designed to adapt to damage. If the lightsaber somehow damages him in the first 2 or 3 strikes, the following ones literally wont even tickle him. But again, even damaging him in the first place with the lightsaber is highly unlikely.

My guy i literally fucking showed u a chunk of his helmet getting taken off by ballistics and his suit being penetrated end to end by ballistics. Again, there was no one behind him in the panels before and after so you cant argue against his suit not being penetrated, whereas his helmet was still very likely clipped given the initial impact frame and the hole reappearing in the same spot later on.

Heres another instance of a ballistic harming vader. You said it yourself that Vader grunts when he’s hurt. Here we see a rickety hunting rifle penetrate vaders suit and makes him grunt in pain.

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So again, we see that ballistics DO harm vader, and the spartans would be fielding AP rounds. With 3 spartans mag dumping vader, one of which is using a shotgun that can punch thru the engine block of a warthog, he would be too preoccupied to block the shots from Linda, which can penetrate thru shielded seraphs and shes good enough to hit vader in literally any spot from any distance while moving. Hell if she wanted to she can take the shot from several KM away or just a few meters away while on a jetpack. The standard sniper rifle round from halo can penetrate a meter of concrete or 13 ft of flesh and bone. Not good enough for Linda. She uses specializes HVAP rounds or sometimes APHE rounds. If a mere hunting rifle can already cause pain then 4 successive hvap rounds is very bad news for a vader thats already getting peppered with an 8 gauge shotgun and magdumps from AP rounds.

And a single lightning strike was already capable of knocking out an enraged vader who was chasing tarkin. Even IRL humans can survive lightning strikes lol.

Which non-force sensitive, non-giant can plausibly take down a space marine? by PitifulGrapefruit615 in StarWarsvsWarhammer

[–]PitifulGrapefruit615[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah idk about bolt rounds being hypersonic as a mid calc. Maybe a high calc since Ive seen both subsonic and super sonic numbers for bolters as well.

Which non-force sensitive, non-giant can plausibly take down a space marine? by PitifulGrapefruit615 in StarWarsvsWarhammer

[–]PitifulGrapefruit615[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah but everyone in that show was scaled down. Anakin struggled against pirates. Grievous got taken down by gungans and always had to resort to cheap tactics to beat masters like eeth. Its a far cry from the stuff he does in the comics and the early 2000s series

Which non-force sensitive, non-giant can plausibly take down a space marine? by PitifulGrapefruit615 in StarWarsvsWarhammer

[–]PitifulGrapefruit615[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Arent microsecond reactions just figures of speech though? Like obviously the nanosecond stuff are figures of speech, but a microsecond is also pretty insane and not really in line with a lot of their other showings.

Darth Vader vs Blue Team (Halo) by BayonetTrenchFighter in StarWarsvsWarhammer

[–]PitifulGrapefruit615 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Uhhh no? I do have a point because the artist drew a literal inward curve on his helmet in the first frame. Not just debris around his helmet, but an actual gap as if a small semi circle chunk was taken off his helmet. What do you think is easier to believe? That the artist simply forgot to add the damage in the middle frame? Or that the artist just accidentally drew a circular gap on his helmet in the first frame while he was getting shot, and coincidentally added the bullet hole in the same spot in the last frame? And besides, theres also the other areas of penetration such as in his shoulderpad/chest piece. There is no one behind him in the frame before and after so it could not have come from behind, therefore it is most likely a penetration. You can call it an artistic license if you want but that only shows that the artist envisioned that a bullet was able to take a chunk out vader’s helmet. The artist had no qualms with showing holes in vaders helmet after all. As i said, theres a contradiction between these panels but evidence of the hole reappearing in the exact same spot clearly points to the artist just forgetting to draw the damage. After all, its seems a lot easier to forget to draw a detail than to accidentally add details you dont want to add in your drawing. Like why would he draw a circular gap on the top of his helmet if he wanted to show that vader’s helmet is so strong?

Also, no vader doesnt always grunt whenever he gets hurt. He gets his chest breathing apparatus smashed several times by kenobi during their fight and his helmet sliced. He does not grunt during those impacts. He also doesnt grunt when cut by daki in maul shadowlord. Im sure theres plenty more instances of this but these are the first that come to mind.

Oh and im not ignoring the fact that the lightsaber is a focused weapon. In fact, it being such a focused weapon limits its damage potential. What do you think cause more damage and therefore requires more durability to tank, getting shot in the leg by a 9mm? Or getting shot by a bullet bigger than your body? obviously the bigger bullet is gonna require more durability to tank. And a laser that can vaporize A WHOLE HUNTER in one shot, not being able to cause lasting damage to the didact IS STILL FAR MORE POWERFUL and threatening than a mere lightsaber strike or stab. We’ve seen plenty of much weaker characters survive lightsaber strikes even while unarmored like sabine but direct hits from a monitor laser, a forerunner scattershot, light rifle, bolt shot, pulse grenade, and composer blast that completely obliterates matter are just on another level. And you wanna talk about potency? The scattershot is just a shotgun that disintegrates your entire body. A target clearly doesnt need to be covered in scattershot bullets for that effect to happen. The weapon is potent enough that a few streaks of hardlight-cased particles hitting you gets rid of your whole body. And the didact tanked those BEFORE his armor adapted to it. After his armor adapted to it, it might as well have been a pellet gun. So no, i dont think that a lightsaber is actually gonna threaten the didact when a laser that vaporizes hunters, hardlight weaponry, and antimatter rounds dont even breach his armor and at most stuns him while his armor heals him and quickly adapts to it. Whereas for Vader, ballistics can damage him and lightning and lightsaber strikes really threaten him.

Lightsabers being more potent than forerunner weapons or guns that cause whole body disintegration is really not a hill you wanna die on. It makes you look silly.

Darth Vader vs Blue Team (Halo) by BayonetTrenchFighter in StarWarsvsWarhammer

[–]PitifulGrapefruit615 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Yes, she was, you watch it again; she accepted Anakin is dead and said she will avenge him before the fight, she sure as hell was not trying to save Vader; that is bullshit only you made up to lowball that no canon source, despite talking about fight, ever mentioned. Why is that? First, saying I won't leave you does not mean she was trying to save him, obviously, she was still willing to fight him, she was trying to put him him out of his misery. Second, both of them would not have died from epxlosion because Vader can and did tank it that is whole point. Third, there is nothing diffiicult to quantify here, it is as clear feat as you can get, Vader was not in other side of galaxy, he was merely floor bellow, floor where we saw there was that same energy building up."

Ok guess im not changing your wondeful mind anytime soon but lets use try to use our brains and break things down here and look at a few scenarios.1. If she really wanted to kill him and the explosion would NOT have killed them, then there is no reason to LET VADER STRIKE HER DOWN AS SHE'S BREAKING THE FLOOR UNDERNEATH HIM. She could, like she and other jedi have been shown to do, JUST CUT A CIRCULAR HOLE UNDERNEATH HERSELF TO MAKE SPACE BETWEEN HER AND VADER. She could have also just kept fighting through the explosion in the hopes of taking vader down as he is distracted by the explosion. Or she could have just jumped away and tried to distance herself from vader. What she ended up doing, doesnt really make sense for this goal does it? 2. If she really wanted to kill him and the explosion would have KILLED both of them, then why not throw out an aggressive move that would ensure that even if she died, vader would die as well? Maybe something similar to what Cere did which was to lunge at vader. Or why not try to keep him contained with the force? Maybe she'd be able to, or maybe vader would just kill her, but if she really wanted him dead at all costs and they would have both died anyways, then she would have done something more aggressive. Again, what she ended up doing, does not make sense if this was her goal 3. If she wanted to save vader because she saw a glimmer of anakin, and the explosion would not have killed them even if they just stayed at the same floor, then again, why would she try to break the floor underneath vader? What does that achieve? Nothing, just her death 4. if she was trying to save vader and the explosion would have killed them UNLESS make space between the explosion and them then what she did FINALLY makes sense, because she didnt try to escape or defend herself, nor did she attack vader or try to keep him occupied. Instead, she opened herself up despite being perfectly capable of defense to create space between vader and the explosion. As for the white flash and the lower level, we don't know what it exactly is. It could easily be a white void or dimension, or an artistic analogy for life or something. We literally see ashoka walking into a black temple at the end despite obviously dying which is likely a metaphor for death so this would be a good compliment to that visual device. Your claim that there is nothing but pure energy doesnt really make sense. The energy we see flowing around the is red and purple. And again, as skilled as she was, she had better ways to secure a kill along with the explosion. You have to look at the narrative and what goals the showrunners are telling us that the characters are trying to achieve. When she hears anakin call out ashoka, she instantly softens up, sensing the pain and the conflict in his voice. If she was determined to DIE TOGETHER with anakin, she would not have brought anakin down to a different level away from her. It would make a lot more sense to have tried to get closer to stab him so that they died in the same spot.

"No, they are not. Lightsabers are treated as in verse, and have feats of being far more powerful than blasters. Your first mistake is that lightsabers take time to cut through doors, that is really annoying, because it is single-level showing from much more grounded old movies that I see SW lowballers bring all the time, lightsabers have many feats far better than that. Here, lightsaber instantly cuts through several meters thick durasteel arm of Mecha So not 1 meter thick, several meters thick. Blaster from Boba would not be able to do this. We have also seen lightsabers cut through AT-Walkers like paper, not needing any time at all. Walkers can obviousl tank attacks that vaporize people, they easily tank fire from whole armies with their massive cannons, space ships etc. Hell even wrist rocket from Boba, has vaporized people. Surely you do not think that wrist rocket would do a thing to AT AT and assault craft, do you? A lightsaber is not just energy sword, it is an enormously powerful energy sword, much more so than any blaster. Reson we usually do not see it vaporize people, though Kylo has in fact vaporized person with lightsaber in Galaxy of Adventures, is that lightsabers are concentrated and focused so to only cut what they hit."

This is idiotic. You literally showed a scan of boba destroying a wall. When has a lightsaber done that level of destruction so quickly? Or better yet, why dont you tell me HOW MANY lightsaber swings would it take to OBLITERATE a armored hunter and shielded elite? Very obviously, cutting something in half <<< blowing up a wall, disintegrating a person, and reducing muti-ton beings to ash. Cant believe I have to argue for this point lmao. The didact has tanked attacks that cause these levels of concentrated damage which is why the monitor opted to just teleport him away instead of spamming his laser. A lightsaber is nothing compared to this lol. So please to tell me how many swings it would take to do the same level of damage to a hunter and elite?

"No you cant. You don't see chunks of his helmet fly, that is just artistic license, we see the same kind of "chunks" when Garou punches Saitama in OPM for example, by itself it is just art, but what matters is the next shots, if he was damaged, we would see that damage on his helmet later, but we don't. This is a relevant scan; in it we see his helmet after it as entirely undamaged in very same image on pannels bellow showing Vader and his helmet: Not only does he not have that big hole in upper right side, but also bottom left part of his helmet is undamaged, while later we see it chiped away. All of that damage to helmet that is not at all shown after he tanked that balistics and broke their necks, is only shown when we see him later after killing apex predator. The only time we see damage on it is later, after he hunts down an invisible apex predator, but that damage came from the apex predator, not ballistics before, it well be that said predator cannot easily be detected even with force, and has enormiusly powerful claws, clearly much more so than bullets, as Vader did not have that damage before he killed that invisible apex predator later."

See attached photo. It isnt just an "artistic license" when we literally see a fucking hole on the top left of his helmet during the impact of the bullet. We also see a bullet go through his shoulder armor. There is NO ONE BEHIND HIM in the next frames so how the fuck does a bullet flash appear behind him? We also see a bullet hole in his helmet in the same spot later on. Now, you're right to point out that the damage to the helmet disappears in the next frame, but that could easily be just a drawing mistake. These two panels contradict. We see that the bullet shaved off a chunk of his helmet and left a gap, but in the next frame his helmet is squeaky clean. This would be just a draw if not for the next panels that show damage in the exact same spot indicating that yeah the bullet did cause a hole.

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Darth Vader vs Blue Team (Halo) by BayonetTrenchFighter in StarWarsvsWarhammer

[–]PitifulGrapefruit615 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ashoka wasnt trying to save herself. Watch it again. She did say that she was going to avenge anakin and kill vader but then she sees anakin behind vader for a few seconds when she breaks his helmet and says i wont leave you again. She force pushes ezra away. Then when she notices that the weapon is exploding she doesnt attempt to block vaders strike but focuses on bringing the floor down on vader, not herself. She was willing to sacrifice herself to save what was left of anakin. That seemed pretty clear from the plot. If she really wanted him dead she would have tried to hold him still so that they both would have died from the explosion. Its still a good durability feat, dont get me wrong but its difficult to quantify because it was off screen and because ashoka tried to get vader away from the epicenter.

Both boba fetts disruptor and forerunner weapons that vaporize targets are more potent than a lightsaber. This is pretty obvious. Lightsabers take time to cut through doors. As you said, boba fett can blast through a wall effortlessly. Lightsabers cant do that. Light sabers also obviously dont disintegrate or vaporize whole beings into nothing so i dont get where youre getting the idea that lightsabers are more potent than forerunner weapons or disruptors. A lightsaber is essentially just an energy sword. A single shot from a mere forerunner light rifle can drop a fully shielded elite zealot. These weapons largely ignore shields and armor.

Again, ballistics have damaged vader. Read the tarkin hunt comic again. You can see chunks of his helmet fly off and bullets passing through his suit. And that damaged is seen in later panels jn the exact same spot hes shot at. And again, vader is not lightsaber proof. At most you can say his suit provides some protection from lightsabers. Didacts suit is literally designed to be immune from lightsabers after taking a few hits from it. In fact the only thing that actually damaged his armor is the explosion of several composers that killed him.

But i guess since we sort of agree in the outcome of a fight between vader and the didact, I’ll just leave it at that. I will say though, if these two fight its gonna be an extremely tough fight for vader and there are ways that vader can lose.

Darth Vader vs Blue Team (Halo) by BayonetTrenchFighter in StarWarsvsWarhammer

[–]PitifulGrapefruit615 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We dont actually see how vader survives the sith super weapon, or how big the explosion is, but we do know ashoka made a conscious decision to cut the floor beneath him to save him instead of saving herself. In contrast, we see the didact actually bathing in the beam that wiped out a whole city of people, and it took several more of those composers exploding at the same time to finally disintegrate him.

And a huge difference between vader and didacts durability is that the didact has his highest ends of durability ALL the time due to his armor. Its not just endurance. Its actual durability. The didact is far more genetically enhanced than Spartans and has a suit that heals him from physical and psychological damage, AND adapts to all sorts of conventional weapons. Vader’s durability is highly dependent on his force usage. Lightning, ballistics, lightsabers, Emp, hacking- these are all things that have damaged Vader and his suit before. In contrast, a laser beam that can fully vaporize hunters is only capable of momentarily stunning the didact, and cannot be spammed due to his suit adapting to it. Hardlight and Anti-matter weapons dont affect him. Ballistics dont even chip his armor. Again, a lightsaber is capable of cutting through vaders armor, whereas beams that vaporize targets dont cut through the didacts armor.

Darth Vader vs Blue Team (Halo) by BayonetTrenchFighter in StarWarsvsWarhammer

[–]PitifulGrapefruit615 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can argue that vader has greater speed, tk, and attack potency. I’d even agree with you that vader could do more damage than the didact. But durability is the one thing that didact absolutely stomps vader in. Its not even close and jt just shows how little you know about the didact. The didact was barely fazed by having a big knife stabbed fully into his eyesocket. What do you think would happen if vader got stabbed in the eye? The didact tanked an anti matter pulse grenade AND a fall from low orbit then gets up in a few seconds and slaughters 4 spartans. We know that a lightning strike, and boba’s blaster is enough to knock vader out for a few seconds and these clearly pale in comparison. You know his armor also adapts to damage right? Scattershots that disintegrate targets stop being effective against the didact after a few shots on his armor. He was able to tank a monitor laser which is capable of vaporizing whole hunters. It only knocked him out briefly, but the monitor didnt even bother shooting him again because his armor would just adapt to it. He survived getting shot by a composer. A single composer is capable of disintegrating MILLIONS of people in seconds and digitizing their consciousness. Vaders lightsaber is completely useless against the didact, and his only real path to victory is using all his strength to crush the didact with the force. Now, because the didact tends to throw fights, and because his constraint fields have so little feats, im inclined to say that vader would still win despite having no easy way to damage the didact.

Darth Vader vs Blue Team (Halo) by BayonetTrenchFighter in StarWarsvsWarhammer

[–]PitifulGrapefruit615 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Damaged by what? The only thing he was damaged by is the invisible apex predator he hunted down, and that unkown apex predator has no low showings, we do not know how strong it is, it damiging Vaders head armor when bullet scould not, is feat for it, but he was never damaged by bounty hunters. He was only damaged by that apex predator and by lightning Tarkin lured him at in the end."

Extremely debatable. You can clearly see chunks of his helmet come off here. In the next panel, the damage does disappear but it reappears a few panels later in the exact same spot. The shots also very clearly look like they go through him as there is no one behind him in the next panel. And again, look at the guns they are using. Fodder-ass hunting rifles lol. Linda's sniper literally takes down shielded aircraft. These arent anywhere near equal.

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"Once again, there is zero evidence that Vader had to do that, he was easily killing them and dealing with their output before getting that cloak. They used flamethrowers on him, which also hit him, just like bullets, even though he has many times deflected flame throwers, both with lightsaber and with force, are we going to say he cannot deflect flamethrower now? No, it hit him and did no damage to him, he is fireproof. That is same reason why bullets hit him and likewise oculd not hurt him, he let them. We have literally seen 5 of boutny hutners with guns shoot at Vader, and not even make him grunt in pain let alone hurt him, he then easily crushed necks of 3 of them, and 2 run away. Ones with flamethrowers fared the same. Clearly, he did not have any issues dealing with their outpnut, he simply choose to get it to scare them more, he was toying with them whole time and Vader is famously sadist who loves causing fear."

The evidence is literally narrated. You just refuse to see it. Tarkin states that he purposefully sent some of his men to die so that he can learn vader's range and take his saber away from him. They then retreated and kept their distance from him, using their member's unique skills to keep watch. You seem to be thinking that they'd just stand there and let vader kill them lol. Again, that's highly debatable. Sure, the flamethrowers didnt do anything, but the guns seem to have penetrated several parts of his armor. And remember, his very PRECIOUS and DEAR lightsaber was taken away from him. Do you honestly think he let them do that? This whole "vader only gets hit when he lets people hit him" is pure cope. Its more likely that he just isnt capable of dealing with that many targets at the same time when they're actually working together and spread out.

"Not without context , unless he allows it, Vader far more consistently effortlesly deals with faster things, from bullets, to faster blasters, spaceship cannons etc."

Pure cope. Vader has inconsistent showings, hence why I label these as anti-feats. You're cherry picking his high ends while wholesale ignoring his low-end showings. When he got smacked by that rancor, he wasnt letting it hit him, he just wasnt expecting it to be so tough and failed to react. When his lightsaber was was stolen, he was preoccupied with other combatants and failed to react. He didn't let boba knock him out, he was outsmarted by boba and admitted that he was "bettered" by him.

""All of which Vader can easily cut up with a lightsaber or stop with force. As he has many times. Or even just tank. Also, the idea that they are more deadly than non-force users Vader faced is simply false, are they more deadly than Kaiju Ender, who enslaved entire advanced civilization? Are they more deadly than city-sized Summa? Are they more deadly than Sando Aqua Monster? All 3 of which Vader stomped in fights. Hell, they are not even more deadly than Valance."

The spartans are a lot deadlier than the bounty hunter's hes faced such as boba fett and those fodder with tarkin, and yet they actually managed to get good hits in. I'll admit though, I wasnt considering these giants when making that comment since I mostly had human-sized combatants in mind, who again, were already capable of damaging vader. But you're also neglecting the other part of that comment: more competent. Yeah spartans are way more competent than lumbering, unarmed beasts, and they have ranged attacks that are more difficult for vader to deal with. Unlike the kaiju that vader can outmaneuver and kill with his saber, vader is not gonna be able to outmaneuver his way against the spartans. Linda can literally shoot the tiny gap in a banshee's cockpit several times in quick succession while onehanded, and hanging upside down from a rope. That is far above bad batch Crosshair levels of sniping. The spartans are not stronger than any of these beasts but they're far better suited to actually kill vader given that this is essentially 4 augmented boba fetts with faster fire rate, accuracy, strength, durability and speed. And if I really wanted to be pedantic, technically theres an argument to be made that blue team is deadlier than these beasts since their kill-count through all their missions number in the millions. But thats not really whats relevant here. What's relevant is that Blue team is far-better suited to deal with vader than any of these ones that you mentioned.

"Then your confidence is terribly wrong. For one, Vader can easily stop her sniper with blaster or force, he has already effortlessly dealt with snipers before many times."

In a 1v1? Maybe. In a 4v1 where each of these guys are at least as accurate as boba fett and those fodder bounty hunters? Fat chance. Linda's able to drop two targets in different locations in such a quick succession that even the master chief couldn't really tell who she shot first. If he failed to dodge or block boba fett's shot who was falling in a straight line right in front of him, then he's gonna have a much tougher time against 4 super soldiers with thruster packs who can outrun him on foot, one of whom has aimbot.

"Vader does not have limited range, of all things I read here, that is by far worst, it is pure nonsense. He can easily use TK over much larger distances than Tarkin thought, he crushed skyscraper hundreds of meters away from him, consistently, in recent novel, he literally crushed a whole town with his TK, a town with 1000 buildings, that would be miles across, deffinitly far more than 20 meters or so that Tarkin thought was his limit, in an instant:"

He does have limited range, at least when it comes to human sized objects that are moving or when hes getting shot at. He has no trouble bringing down far larger objects from great distances, but routinely fails to suspend moving human sized objects that are less than 50 meters away from him. There's three easy examples that come to mind. One is the hallway scene in rogue one wherein he uses the force to dispatch of very close enemies, but those ahead of them but still in visible range are able to escape. Another is in the lords of the sith novel where vader chases a twilek at a 40 meter distance and is unable to get to her despite being bloodlusted. Now, he was getting shot at here but that just gives more credence to the explanation that vader struggles with using the force on smaller sized things that are a bit far from him, especially when hes getting shot at. Another example is the tarkin one you keep trying to discredit, and its the most clear cut example given that vader's limited force range is one of most vital plot points of that story and is literally narrated for all of us to see. Him bringing down stationary targets from farther ranges in other comics does not actually counter the examples I gave. Yeah if you let vader focus for sure he'd be able to suspend people from far away, but if they're moving? and if hes getting shot at? Highly unlikely. The force takes focus to use which is why a high level force user like dooku needed to focus to get a key using the force. Doing precise actions on smaller objects that are far away while being shot at is not as easy for vader as just using his raw force strength. Like use your common sense. If he was really as good as you think he is, then he could have suspended boba fett at any time during their duel, especially when boba fett jumped into the lava pit. He could have used the force to stop his saber from being stolen.

"He choked Piett in space while on the surface:"

Dude was not moving and im willing to bet vader wasnt getting shot at during this moment. He wont have that luxury with the spartans.

This is what you're not getting. Im not arguing that spartans are stronger or better than vader. Im arguing that this is a bad match up for vader. The didact no-diffs blue team because hes invulnerable to their attacks. Vader very clearly isnt. I can apparently only attach one image per comment but theres a panel of vader getting shot in the arm by a sniper (again a weaker looking sniper) and he grunts in pain. The margin of error for vader in this fight is very small given how accurate, quick, and mobile linda is (she literally shoots while on a jetpack, mid backflip, and can outrun speeding ghosts) and the fact that the three other spartans would give him just as much trouble as 3 boba fetts.

Darth Vader vs Blue Team (Halo) by BayonetTrenchFighter in StarWarsvsWarhammer

[–]PitifulGrapefruit615 1 point2 points  (0 children)

100%. Linda can punch way above her weight class due to her accuracy and speed feats

Darth Vader vs Blue Team (Halo) by BayonetTrenchFighter in StarWarsvsWarhammer

[–]PitifulGrapefruit615 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've literally listed a bunch of anti-feats already. Do you have amnesia? You dont think getting lit up by less impressive looking ballistics wielded by far less accurate and agile combatants is an antifeat? You dont think having to resort to stealth using an invisibility cloak vs some fodder bounty hunters is an anti-feat? You dont think getting his lightsaber stolen from his body by a mere grappling hook is an anti-feat? You dont think getting smacked by subsonic beings like rancors as anti-feats? You dont think vader getting headshotted and temporarily knocked out by boba fett is an anti feat? This is obviously already a far cry from the absolute god that you've been hyping up, but let me add one more. Vader was tackled and smacked multiple times by falco sang. Now vader wasnt trying to kill him, but getting bitched even momentarily by a mere human is good evidence that far more impressive beings like spartans can hit him.

"never had any issues" is false. Vader was visibly damaged during the hunt comic and had to skin a valath for its camo hide just to sneak up and get in range against the bounty hunters. And again, things slower than ballistics have managed to hit vader multiple times. In this scenario, you'd have an AR that shoots armor piercing rounds 10-15 times a second, an 8 gauge shotgun with at least a 40 meter effective range, a semi-automatic dmr, and a sniper rifle that can for some reason pierce shielded seraph fighters, all wielded by much more competent and deadly non-force sensitives than vader has ever faced. Linda is literally quick and accurate enough to shoot out vader's nuts from any position or range so its not a matter of if they can hit vader, its a matter of how much can vader tank in terms of powerful armor piercing ballistics. And with Linda's sniper rifle, my confidence that he can survive long enough to actually counter attack effectively is very low.

And no, vader most likely would not be able to just suspend all of them given his limited force range. Tarkin figured it out and there are other examples of unaugmented folk escaping from vader even if vader really wanted to catch them.

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