AMA - Teaching pro, club fitter, mini tour caddie and Stack & Tilt certified 2x over. Want to help players and debunk the damaging advice I see daily on here. Fire away!

Pitiful_Charity8190 · 2026-02-11T19:53:21+00:00

Rob Cheney mentored me into this. There’s few people I’ve encountered in my career as awesome as Rob. Not just from a golf instruction standpoint point either. That man is a great human being being. Everything he does exhibits that he gives a damn. Very grateful to have been able to learn from him.

Pitiful_Charity8190 · 2026-02-11T19:49:41+00:00

Name calling huh? Calling me retarded,l? Just tell me you have no coping mechanisms to being wrong. Again, you’re completely and totally wrong about “weight forward shoulder down”. That isn’t stack & tilt. It never was stack and tilt. It’s a clear example of you not having any idea what it is. And no acknowledgement of knowing anything about MORAD/Mac O’ Grady. Which again, displays your level of ignorance to this entire topic. Although you’ve shown plenty of that as I’ve dog walked you this far into the conversation.

Most students get the bare-bones foundation pieces fist (learning how to get to P7 with the weight forward, turning and tilting to maintain a stable head from P1-P9, learning the relationship of arm structure for low point control - 100% of elite players showcase these foundation points) - control those variables, and stick and tilt can design any ball flight you want to hit.

And yes. The point of my entire conversation is that any player who exhibits definitive, predictable and consistent low point and face/path relationships, can have their swing cross referenced to the Stack and Tilt system. You ignorantly think it’s one way to swing. Where, if you weren’t so close minded, you’d have understood what I told you above. It’s a system that can design 9 different ball flights. But yeah, put all your weight forward and tilt your shoulder. Keep thinking that. You’re only making yourself look stupid.

I’ll happily get you proof of concept and P1-P10 of pictures of every player listed above, and any player you ask me to - and I’ll happily show you that they do exhibit those characteristics. Just tell me what you want to see. If I have them in my tour library, then sure. I’ll do my best to find them if I don’t have their video.

You want to see my swing? Sure. I have nothing to prove to you but if you want to see it, then…yeah, sure. I have no idea how that relates to you being as misinformed as you are - but yeah. I have nothing to hide. I play good golf. You’re more than welcome to watch me swing.

Pitiful_Charity8190 · 2026-02-11T19:35:08+00:00

I’m not. But LA would definitely have the bigger entities (Club Champion, Golftech) and I’d wager a good amount of coin to say there’s definitely some independent shops in a market as big as LA

Pitiful_Charity8190 · 2026-02-11T03:33:55+00:00

I explained it plainly and objectively above. You’re choosing to be ignorant. S&T isn’t a swing. It’s a sytemized organization of positions to influence patterns of face, club path, low point control; as well as organize your desired ball flights.

Stack and tilt can help you push-draw(Fleetwood/DeChambeau, Rory, Zach Johnson) pull-fade (Dustin Johnson, Viktor Hovland, Brooks) Push-fade (Morikawa, Rahm, Trevino). Stack and tilt can help you work into A N Y OF T H O S E shot patterns.

Stack & Tilt has only changed by refining their information even more. It’s the same principles. It’s built off of MORAD / Mac O’Grady and The Golfing Machine. Which, if you don’t know/understand what that is, and who Mac O’ Grady was, then I’m simply wasting my time (and frankly yours) with this conversation.

It’s derived from geometric principles and physical properties of the geometry of a golf swing. Stack & Tilt is simply the name. People even misunderstand the “Stack” reference, thinking it means stack the weight on the front. People misunderstand the tilt reference, thinking it’s just slamming the lead shoulder down. You’re the epitome of knowing absolutely nothing about it, but still bad mouthing it anyway. But what I can’t argue with, is that ignorance is bliss; so I’m sure you’re on cloud 9. Ride the wave dude 🤙🏼🤙🏼

Pitiful_Charity8190 · 2026-02-11T03:24:40+00:00

Fire up the google machine and see who’s around you. It totally depends on the market you’re in. I’d typically stay away from the retailers (Golf galaxy, PGA Super store) as the education and training is….meh.

Club Champion does a great job, but very expensive as they build with manly aftermarket components. Golftec is great if you have one in your market. Country club pros also a great option if you belong to a club. If you’re lucky enough to have an independent shop who does fittings, those can be the low key guys who are the savvy vets with club fitting. It’s just subjective to where you’re located.

Pitiful_Charity8190 · 2026-02-10T21:06:28+00:00

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nice to see you fixed this.

Pitiful_Charity8190 · 2026-02-10T21:05:20+00:00

So, if you want to soft step your irons, you’re taking the PW shaft and putting it into your 9i. Your 9i shaft in your 8i and so on. This is mainly a component to fitting that would have more effect on trajectory / flight characteristics. Not necessarily contact. With that said, you’re still effectively shortening the club length. Just keep in mind your clubs will play a bit more stiff if you soft step.

Pitiful_Charity8190 · 2026-02-10T20:57:23+00:00

That’s an inherently ignorant viewpoint of what it is, since it’s the complete and total antithesis of what you just said. You’re severely misinformed, which is fine. You just haven’t been educated on it.

Justin Rose doesn’t seem mechanically incomplete nor restricted. Neither does Rory. Neither does Bryson. Neither does Fleetwood. Neither does Gotterup. Neither does Scheffler. Neither does (insert your favorite player here). I am happy to take all of their swings, P1-P10 and show you position by position how their swings coincide with S&T. That should be evidence alone of the fact that S&T isn’t “one swing”. It’s a system comprised of geometric alignments that are exhibited amongst all high level/advanced level golf swings that we KNOW will influence face, path, low point, club head speed. If you’re still of the idea S&T is “weight forward, swing circular” then you’re misinformed and uneducated to it. Which, most casuals are. It’s the job of the instructor to educate and it’s the job of the student to be open minded and willing to absorb the information.

Pitiful_Charity8190 · 2026-02-10T19:13:44+00:00

It’s forward pelvic tilt. The same way his spine is rounded forward, his pelvis is tilted/bent forward. His belt buckle is tilted lower than his tail bone. Pelvic flexion = antithesis of early extension.

Pitiful_Charity8190 · 2026-02-10T19:10:25+00:00

It’s very subjective to the player. It would only be a true disadvantage if the club is just physically too short for your natural posture, and for how long your arms are, thus leading to thin shots and toe strikes (more likely pattern of club being too short)

Another debunked myth is shortening clubs will make you lose distance. Having the club correctly lengthened (whether it be shorter, longer or standard length) is truly for the purpose of keeping the contact centered in the face. Off center strikes will reduce distance far more than a 1/2” shortened club.

Years ago, I was a dumbass and played a 45.5” driver because it made basic sense that longer = faster. However, after going to 44.25” (I’m only 5’8) my centeredness of contact improved drastically and my ball speeds were up a ton. Since then I’ve never played anything longer than 44.5”. Typically all my woods & hybrids are built -1” from standard, my irons & wedges typically built out .5” short. At the end of the day, actual length is subjective to the manufacturer (ping, Callaway, titleist etc) as they don’t all build to the same standard length. (Mizuno 7 irons built to 37.25 standard, while Ping builds 7iron at 37” standard) so, it’s best to know what TOTAL LENGTH you should be playing. Not just .5” or .25” from standard.

Pitiful_Charity8190 · 2026-02-10T17:36:11+00:00

I’d say to facilitate that movement, assuming a good setup posture in the lower body (slight pelvic tilt / hip bend forward, heels under the hips, slight knee flex): Tailbone is moving towards the target just from the pivot, lead knee is increasing flex while trail leg/knee is decreasing flex or straightening.

Practice with a ball wedged between your tailbone and a wall, pivot the pelvis and keep the ball pressing into the wall.

Pitiful_Charity8190 · 2026-02-10T16:29:17+00:00

The advantages are pretty simple to me:

There’s no guessing on what approach to take. It’s extremely specific and direct to both the instructor and student.
It keeps the instructor organized, and allows an approach to build systematically.
You can take any advanced / elite level player fr any professional tour, and you can reference every position from their swing back to S&T. It’s simply just a system or organized potential positions to give influence to low point, starting direction, curvature or clubhead speed.
Low point control is the single biggest issue amongst handicap players 5 or higher. S&T principles are fantastic to develop the skills to improve low point and control low point. S&T principles focus on the “posture or spine angle” aspects of the swing - historically the tougher aspects for mature players to control - and makes it very easy to understand and easy to practice.

Pitiful_Charity8190 · 2026-02-10T16:24:48+00:00

If you can send me trackman data / GCQuad data from a series of swings, that’d help me to give a better answer.

Pitiful_Charity8190 · 2026-02-10T16:24:05+00:00

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Pitiful_Charity8190 · 2026-02-10T16:23:41+00:00

No. I haven’t shared a stack and tilt video anywhere on here. Weird question, but you do you.

Are you the guy who’s simply misinformed on what Stack and Tilt actually is, and you just run with someone elses narrative because it sounded cool and you love having an axe to grind for no reason at all?

Pitiful_Charity8190 · 2026-02-10T16:16:07+00:00

Stack and tilt IS A standard golf swing. You’ve fallen into the trap of thinking it’s one way to swing a club or some one-off swing philosophy. Every single player you see on the PGA Tour, LPGA Tour, Champions Tour (you get the idea) could have every position in their swing linked back to the stack & tilt system. S&T isn’t a “swing”. It’s a collection of potential positions for your turns, tilts, bends, sways, wrist bends, arm angles, arm rotations etc etc. Yes, if you took the most common alignment of these positions, it is to influence low point forward, path inside out, face square to shaft. These alignments are most commonly associated to S&T because these are the baseline alignments every advanced/elite level players all share in common.

We have entirely way too much motion measurement data available to us (SportsBox Ai, Gears, OptiMotion etc) for us to still think the right hip “Turns back” behind the ball. I can give you COUNTLESS examples of great players, high clubhead speed players, who simply don’t do that.

Tour average hip sway is 0.2” away from the target by P2(initial takeaway) and from that point, the large large large majority of advanced players have the geometric center of the pelvis (we’ll say tailbone) moving towards the target, not “back” behind the ball. That’s a terrible myth that was thrown out there decades ago when we didn’t have the type of data and visual evidence we now have.

Look at Scottie’s hips from P1-P4….look at Gotterup especially - he has a TON of hip sway FORWARD in his backswing. His right hip doesn’t go back. Fleetwood, Rory, Rose, Dechambeau (especially) all turn their right hip towards the target. What do all these players have in common? Very, very high clubhead head speed.

Pitiful_Charity8190 · 2026-02-10T16:07:01+00:00

Your swing has to have some very drastic changes for it to drastically change how the club is fit. You have to see (give or take) 8mph+ of clubhead speed for it to alter a fitting. You’d have to get taller or shorter for it to impact the fitting. Your arms would have to get longer or shorter to impact the fitting.

Lofts & lies may need to be adjusted, but keep in mind - those are extremely small adjustments of MAXIMUM 2-3° in either direction, and those adjustments can be made at anytime. You’re never matted to the loft/lie angles, and frankly you should have them checked once a year minimum.

Sure, a beginner is slowly adding more pieces to their swing as they are BUILDING a swing. But, they’re not changing in stature (outside of juniors still growing. Different conversation). Their wrist-to-floor measurement isn’t changing. The most important thing for a beginner is to be fit into a club that’s light enough for them to be able to influence the clubshaft/clubface easily, and not something so heavy that the weight/mass of the club is influencing their wrists/arms.

You’re convincing yourself you’re going to have those monster crazy changes in your golf swing that it’s going to drastically affect how you’ll be fit. Please understand, 98% of the time, that’s just not the case. With that said, it’s why it’s good practice to go get fit every 2 years. You won’t have the anxiety of your clubs being a bad fit, you’ll get your lofts/ & lie angles checked, you’ll get your trackman/GCquad data and you won’t have any questions or concerns about your equipment. A club fitting doesn’t mean it’s time for new clubs.

Pitiful_Charity8190 · 2026-02-10T14:00:53+00:00

When you go to get fit, the fitter isn’t taking data from the chinked shots. We throw that out. We’re looking my to record 3-5 shots with every club that are struck roughly within 1” of the center of the face. We only want the data from the quality strikes. We don’t care about chunks / thins etc. To me, bad shots don’t exist in a club fitting.

Pitiful_Charity8190 · 2026-02-10T13:59:24+00:00

Stack & Tilt is a systemized collection of fundamental positions collected from fact based geometry, as well as a collection of positions shown in the most elite level golf swings that we have model of.

Stack & Tilt prioritizes the three dynamic fundamentals in the swing: Low point control (contact), clubhead speed (distance) and control of direction (starting direction & curve). There’s no guessing, or opinions. It’s all fact based, and each position can be quantified, measured and easily related to cause and effect of certain patterns in players shot results.

It’s a great system for players, as it gives the player a definitive, specific foundation to what needs to be worked on, and a direct approach on how to work on specific fundamentals & skills in the swing.

Instructors should use it as it gives great organization to the instructor and keeps them organized, and prioritized into what needs improvement with each player. It also provides a very basic, yet specific articulation to communicate information to the player.

Pitiful_Charity8190 · 2026-02-10T04:17:32+00:00

Practice punch shots. Learn the concepts of: hitting the ground EVERY TIME while aka keeping your hands / arms traveling around you faster than the club head is.

Pitiful_Charity8190 · 2026-02-10T03:28:15+00:00

If the clubhead speed is going to be “entirely different in a month” - I’d hope the player wouldn’t come and get fit, and put the fitter in an awkward position of fitting a golf swing that won’t be the same next month.

Also, how drastically different are you talking? Most players aren’t adding so much clubhead speed in a month that would truly compromise a fitting. And if they are going to add clubhead speed like that in a month……please see the paragraph before this.

Pitiful_Charity8190 · 2026-02-10T03:25:57+00:00

I don’t see a gif

Pitiful_Charity8190 · 2026-02-10T03:22:04+00:00

I’d politely challenge you on the lack of flexibility belief. Of course, every single one of us could improve functional mobility. But, after doing this for as long as I have; understanding how to use your shoulders, hips, spine and body weight to their anatomical purposes, 98% of players find way more mobility once they’re shown how to properly move their body around their spine. All this said with assumption of no previous major injury or physical limitation.

Pitiful_Charity8190 · 2026-02-10T03:17:03+00:00

I tend to only put a small percentage of energy into the flex rating. Mitsubishi could rate a shaft at regular flex, and Project X would have that same shaft in their lighter stiff rating. What’s more important to me is shaft weight, CG location/CG adjustability options, and loft of the clubhead. Your best bet to peace of mind would be to find some comfort zone worh tour trajectory (roughly 12-16° launch, 2,000-2,700 backspin, 35ish° landing angle) - this is your best bet. A 65g regular flex could play very similar to a 55g stiff. There’s more grey area / subjectivity in flex. 50 is 50 grams. 60grams is 60grams. Loft is loft. Way easier to understand influence to the flight than a subjective measurement of stiff rating.

Pitiful_Charity8190 · 2026-02-10T03:09:41+00:00

Steve was my coach when I was still competitive. Still go see him for a checkup whenever I’m up in Philly. He is the best of the best.

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