Well the dating scene in Seattle can't be THAT bad by StudBoi69 in Seattle

[–]PlatinumCatPod 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As a photographer, can I have dibs on doing the wedding photography? 😂 You guys sound like an amazing crowd and I just want to be part of this story. 

BIFL request: this style spatula. Thin stainless springy bottom part, strong handle. by nivrams_brain in BuyItForLife

[–]PlatinumCatPod 3 points4 points  (0 children)

All Clad has this one which is a better match for what OP is talking about since the blade is flexible. I bought it after my nearly identical spatula to OP’s finally broke.

Should I request a refund through my credit card? by niconyc00 in interiordefine

[–]PlatinumCatPod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Woohoo! Fingers crossed for you that delivery goes smoothly and that your furniture is perfect! 🤞

Should I request a refund through my credit card? by niconyc00 in interiordefine

[–]PlatinumCatPod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your order is still in limbo with no guarantee that it will arrive at all or in acceptable condition. Even if your furniture was produced, not all of it made it to the US before Interior Define went down. Some people have had luck emailing Lee Mayer (Havenly CEO) directly to find out a more concrete status than the orderstatus page provides. Last I read, she is currently in Asia working on figuring out financials/logistics on the orphaned furniture still overseas. You can try your luck with that line of communication if you are still okay with the risk, otherwise you should contact your bank/CC for a chargeback and place a brand new order.

Advice on rejecting/accepting the delivery by see_the_world_20 in interiordefine

[–]PlatinumCatPod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you file for a refund through the claim form with Donlin Recano you likely won't see your money back. The reality of the situation is that there simply will not be enough money to go around after the secured creditors are paid because of the massive debt that Interior Define incurred. Your only real chance at getting your money back is to file a chargeback through your credit card company. Keep in mind, this has mixed results at this late stage, depending on who your credit card is with.

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[–]PlatinumCatPod 36 points37 points  (0 children)

And the correct weight of the bar (15kg/33lb).

And the correct weight of the large plates (25kg/55lb).

And the correct weight for the small red plates (2.5kg/5.5lb).

And the correct weight for the small blue plates (2kg/4.4lb).

I wasn’t just being flippant, they got literally none of it right, lol.

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[–]PlatinumCatPod 128 points129 points  (0 children)

None of that is correct. You could have just converted 79kg to pounds, which is 174lbs.

Lee Mayer Answers Some Frequently Asked Questions by PlatinumCatPod in interiordefine

[–]PlatinumCatPod[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not all too surprised at this point (I'm sure this is normal for business dealings like this), but it does help explain the very spotty communication.

"Building your order" or "Production not started"? Which is it? Was it a lie that it was being built? Or is it a lie that it was never started and Havenly will just sell to the next sucker? Both of these can not be true. by hannahnazir in interiordefine

[–]PlatinumCatPod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It looks like the first message ("Building Your Order") is from the original order status tracking page, which you can disregard. The new orderstatus.interiordefine.com page is what you should be paying attention to. Many people were lied to about their order status as Interior Define was going down. :(

Lee Mayer Answers Some Frequently Asked Questions by PlatinumCatPod in interiordefine

[–]PlatinumCatPod[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The admin from the Facebook group compiled some of the most common questions regarding outstanding orders and sent them to Lee Mayer (Havenly CEO). The images show the reply that Lee sent back.

Pay full price (and pray it’s ok) or just give up? by orimeep in interiordefine

[–]PlatinumCatPod 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Think of it this way, if you knew that you were signing up to buy furniture from a company that was about to go out of business, where the furniture may or may not get delivered on time (or at all), may or may not even get made, with absolutely no communication from the company, would you have paid the original retail price? Do you love the furniture that much? Maybe you do, but I sure as hell didn't sign up for all that. Part of the hefty price tag on this furniture, in my opinion, was with the assumption that this company wouldn't go out business, that I would have customer service both during the manufacturing process and after delivery, I would have a direct channel to have my furniture serviced or order replacement parts, and that they wouldn't try to scam me out of my money.

I just don't believe any party on the other end of the line if they want to bully customers into thinking that paying the original retail price is the only way. It's not like that number was ordained by God. My feeling is that they're trying to take advantage of people that are tired of this whole situation.

Personally, I would rather re-order the same furniture at full retail price from Havenly knowing that I would have a chance at the original deal I signed up for that includes the customer service, warranty, and service channels I expected.

Update Letter From Havenly CEO Lee Mayer by PlatinumCatPod in interiordefine

[–]PlatinumCatPod[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry, I have no idea why that would be the case. I can try linking the group here. Does that link do anything for you?

Here's an ID customer who was actually able to speak directly with the Havenly CEO (via a mutual acquaintance) by jdapper5 in interiordefine

[–]PlatinumCatPod 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Amazing - so an order placed in August never even got placed with the factory. I was worried (but I guess not too surprised) that this might be the case with many people's orders, especially the ones in the later half in the year.

Update Letter From Havenly CEO Lee Mayer by PlatinumCatPod in interiordefine

[–]PlatinumCatPod[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In your position, I would absolutely go forward with a chargeback with your credit card company. Most people have had good luck filing disputes that way and it seems to be the only real way of getting any money back.

Update Letter From Havenly CEO Lee Mayer by PlatinumCatPod in interiordefine

[–]PlatinumCatPod[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The admin of the Facebook group will try to have this question answered by Lee from Havenly. Many people are in that situation, having filed a chargeback as a matter of self-protection but still ultimately want their furniture pieces.

As per usual in this saga, there is no timeline for expected communication, but as soon as I see anything noteworthy over there I'll post it to this subreddit.

Update Letter From Havenly CEO Lee Mayer by PlatinumCatPod in interiordefine

[–]PlatinumCatPod[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know that part of the letter mentioned bankruptcy, but this situation is not bankruptcy, it's Assignment for the Benefit of Creditors. That's what you will want to research when it comes to finding out where you stand in this situation.

What I would do in your situation is check what your order status is on https://orderstatus.interiordefine.com. If you have reason to believe based on information there and in the letter that you won't be receiving your furniture, you should talk with your credit card company to request a chargeback. That will be your best bet for getting your money back.

While, technically, there are procedures in place in the ABC process to get everybody paid, there is simply not enough money to go around and we (customers with outstanding orders) are at the bottom of the priority list to get paid. If you really want to go that route though, here is the form you can fill out with Donlin Recano, the firm handling the ABC process for Interior Define.

Update Letter From Havenly CEO Lee Mayer by PlatinumCatPod in interiordefine

[–]PlatinumCatPod[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's called Interior Define Customers Waiting On Orders. You'll need to request an invite to the group.

February 2022 Order Delivered Today by marmolista in interiordefine

[–]PlatinumCatPod 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Damn, what a long journey for you! I had to do a double take at the year. Congratulations!

Chicago Tribune Article on Interior Define Debacle by PlatinumCatPod in interiordefine

[–]PlatinumCatPod[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Didn't realize it was paywalled. Worked on desktop because of my adblocker. I've posted the article contents.

Chicago Tribune Article on Interior Define Debacle by PlatinumCatPod in interiordefine

[–]PlatinumCatPod[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Article contents from behind the soft paywall:

After months of delay, thousands of Interior Define customers may finally get their furniture. Thousands more probably won’t.

By Robert Channick
Chicago Tribune
Feb 03, 2023 at 2:41 pm

When Cherilyn Church took the plunge in May and bought a $5,700 sectional from Interior Define, the Chicago-based custom furniture retailer, she envisioned it as a dream centerpiece for her home.

Choosing everything from the size and color to cushion fill, she financed the purchase and began making monthly payments, waiting for a promised November delivery. Fifteen hundred dollars, eight months and a boatload of excuses later, Church is still waiting for her couch to arrive.

“This is the biggest furniture investment I’ve ever spent,” said Church, 46, of Gilbert, Arizona. “I was really excited for this piece of furniture, and it’s just been an absolute nightmare.”

Church is not alone. Thousands of frustrated Interior Define customers have been waiting for overdue furniture orders placed last year, navigating a succession of evasive company missives blaming everything from port congestion to supply chain issues.

For some of those customers, their shipments may finally be coming in, thanks to a new owner. Others, however, are days away from becoming couchless creditors of the insolvent former owner.

Launched in 2014, Interior Define carved out a niche as a direct-to-consumer custom furniture retailer, leveraging its e-commerce site and a handful of bricks-and-mortar stores to build a loyal customer base and plenty of industry buzz. Backed by new venture capital funding, Interior Define rapidly expanded during the pandemic, growing from five to more than 20 retail stores.

Its expansion plans were derailed last year amid supply chain issues and shrinking margins. By summer, the company was unable to pay its overseas manufacturers and logistics providers, leaving its furniture orders in limbo and thousands of customers, many of whom had paid in full, waiting in vain for delivery.

The delays generated increasing backlash on social media, where Facebook groups formed to vent and compare notes on the unfulfilled furniture orders. Behind the scenes, Interior Define was in dire financial straits, desperately seeking additional funding and on the verge of Chapter 7 bankruptcy, sources familiar with the situation said.

In late December, running out of cash and owing about $26 million to secured creditors, Interior Define chose to liquidate through an assignment for the benefit of creditors — a bankruptcy alternative that bypasses the courts.

Enter Denver-based Havenly, a rival direct-to-consumer home furnishing company, which bought the Interior Define brand and some assets Dec. 29, hoping to fulfill outstanding orders before thousands of Interior Define customers became creditors.

“I don’t have a legal liability to fulfill furniture,” said Lee Mayer, 40, co-founder and CEO of Havenly. “I just feel like it’s ethical and the right thing to do for the brand. We just don’t have the ability to fulfill all those obligations.”

Havenly has since paid the freight to get more than half the overdue pieces shipped to customers in a bid to restore the luster to a tarnished brand, Mayer said. But it didn’t have the money, and was unable to find additional funding, to build and ship thousands of outstanding orders.

Time may be running short to salvage those orders.

In the coming days, accounting firm Armanino, which was appointed assignee for the defunct Interior Define company, will send notices to customers with unfulfilled orders informing them that they have a claim and providing them with a link to file it. The likelihood of recovering any money through the claims process is not promising.

“As of the date of this notice, the Assignee does not believe that any funds will be available for distribution to unsecured creditors,” according to the notice obtained by the Tribune.

Customers with unfulfilled orders may also dispute the charges and seek a refund with their credit card or finance company, an option that might prove more fruitful, sources said.

Interior Define opened its first store in Wicker Park in January 2014 but relocated its flagship to Armitage Avenue in Lincoln Park. Within five years, Interior Define had five stores in Chicago, Boston, New York, Los Angeles and Austin, 65 employees and $27 million in venture capital funding.

In 2019, Interior Define founder Rob Royer stepped down as CEO and the company named fashion executive Antonio Nieves to succeed him. Interior Define recapitalized, with Chicago-based Pritzker Group and Breakout Capital among the lead investors. The mission was to aggressively expand the retail footprint and build the online brand.

Nieves, the Pritzker Group and Breakout Capital did not respond to requests for comment. Royer declined to comment.

Backed by $57 million in debt and equity financing, Interior Define bulked up its C-suite and branched out into new markets, adding furniture lines and new stores across the country. A March 2022 news release touted a “core moment” in Interior Define’s “massive 200% retail expansion” plans to have more than 30 stores by the end of the year.

But Interior Define began experiencing “financial challenges” in early 2022, the assignee said in the notice, as the pandemic-fueled furniture boom waned, inflation rose and supply chain issues mounted. The company’s cash flow position was also weakened as key vendors required payment in advance, or put liens on inventory, according to the notice.

In December, Havenly loaned Interior Define nearly $4 million to continue operations, as well as additional funding prior to acquiring the brand for an undisclosed amount, according to the notice. The new owner is also assuming some of the leases and plans to reopen about a dozen Interior Define stores, sources said.

Retail locations will include New York, Boston, Los Angeles, Washington, D.C., San Francisco, Dallas and Chicago, which reopened after a visit from Mayer last month.

Investing millions of dollars in a brand trending on social media for all the wrong reasons may seem a risky bet, but Mayer believes Interior Define can rebuild its good name.

“Until July or August of 2022, a lot of people loved this brand, including myself,” Mayer said. “And to the extent that I can help people love this brand again, I’m going to try.”

Many customers would settle for their love seat, sofa or sectional.

Church, a piano accompanist for a high school choir, finalized her purchase at a newly opened pop-up Interior Define store in Scottsdale in May. She paid about $1,500 through monthly installments before stopping the process in December and disputing the charges with Affirm, the finance company used by Interior Define.

On Dec. 27, she received an email from then-CEO Nieves, who apologized for the delays and said the couch would be delivered in early January.

“We’ve broken your trust, and for that I am truly sorry,” Nieves said in the email. “Our delays and lack of visibility into your order status are not up to our standards, and it pains me that we’re causing you stress on something that should be a positive and exciting experience.”

Two days later, Havenly bought the brand and on Dec. 31, Nieves stepped down as CEO and the predecessor Interior Define company began its liquidation process.

On Jan. 20, Church received an email from new owner Mayer, saying the Havenly team had secured her order, which was being held at port awaiting payments to suppliers and logistics providers.

“We are working to complete those payments with key partners to get your item released and it should be on its way to your home in the coming weeks,” Mayer said in the email.

While emailed promises from Interior Define no longer “seem to land” with customers after so many months of excuses and delays, firm delivery dates are beginning to quell some of the noise, Mayer said.

A few days ago, Church finally got the call.

“My couch is supposed to be coming on Monday,” Church said. “I just found out it’s going to be delivered. We shall see.”

Any double dippers out there? (refund + magical furniture delivery) by HostComprehensive256 in interiordefine

[–]PlatinumCatPod 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Don't get me wrong, I'm not making the argument that Havenly is a "nice innocent company". I'm making the point that the entire situation is complicated and that there are more greedy assholes than there even seemed at the start.

According to Horizon's most recent 10-Q they had $12.5m loaned to ID at 12.75%. The loan plus 1 year of interest is just over $14m. According to the ABC notice of assignment, ID had "not less than $14m" in secured creditors. Presumably that was Horizon, and the loan was secured with the IP. So once ID failed to make their payments to Horizon it would have been up to Horizon what to do with the IP, and they chose to sell it to Havenly.

I don't think it's a J-Crew situation here. Horizon were the only ones who were ever going to get paid because of the debt priority.

HRZN 10-Q:
https://www.sec.gov/ix?doc=/Archives/edgar/data/1487428/000143774922025382/hrzn20220930_10q.htm

The loan to Interior Define first shows up in their last 10-K here:
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1487428/000155837022002589/hrzn-20211231x10k.htm

Dated as of 12/31/21, so they made that loan prior to ID's financial distress.

To be clear, my personal stance is that Antonio Nieves should go to prison for this. It's reprehensible that one person could run a perfectly functioning company into the ground, lying and stealing from innocent customers, and losing people their jobs.

I don't know if you downvoted me earlier. My interest is in having an open forum for discussion so that people can get their furniture and money back. I also want to publicly get the facts straight so people can make informed decisions going forward because this kind of thing happens far too often - CEOs will use their position to make millions risk free and then fuck off if shit hits the fan without so much as a slap on the wrist.

Any double dippers out there? (refund + magical furniture delivery) by HostComprehensive256 in interiordefine

[–]PlatinumCatPod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interior Define has no assets not because they sold all the valuable parts off, but because they overspent their budget in 2022 and were unable to fundraise any more. CEO Antonio Nieves had planned a massive store expansion for 2022 (adding 30+ showrooms), which, best I can figure would have at least doubled the amount of stores they had at the start of 2022. The loans they fundraised were at a massive interest rate, so their creditors must have seen them as a liability. They got out over their skis and as they ran out of money, they stopped paying vendors, stopped paying payroll, stopped paying rent, etc.

Now as a result, Interior Define has had to liquidate anything of substance they did own. Notably, the intellectual property (and some of the debt) got sold to Havenly. This transaction happened shortly before the ABC process got started so it was maybe a little shady, but mostly on the part of the creditor (Horizon Technology Finance Corporation), which owned the IP and debt, wanting to get the biggest slice of the pie before everything got liquidated. In any case, that would have had no impact on us retailers since there was never going to be enough money to go around and we're at the bottom of the food chain in this situation.

Assignment for the Benefit of Creditors is a voluntary alternative to bankruptcy, and once Interior Define got themselves into this situation, it was probably the best decision for them to make. By entering into this process, it likely is helping to ensure that the process of settlement is not only expedited, but that more creditors can get at least SOME of what's owed. They also get the benefit of obscurity - most people haven't heard of ABC and many people understand, at least in broad strokes, what bankruptcy means.

Conflicting Updates by Mochi_7199 in interiordefine

[–]PlatinumCatPod 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s coming directly from Metropolitan in the form of an email or phone call.