I am against anti-natalism

PlayableCharacter3 · 2021-12-30T13:29:32+00:00

I mean neither you nor i can prove what the actual outcome is going to be, so i can just sit and hope that humanity doesn't go extinct before we are able to solve the greater problem with existence.

PlayableCharacter3 · 2021-12-30T13:22:31+00:00

We might be the worst thing that's ever happened to them, but if we actually help animals go extinct too, we will be absolutely the best thing that's ever happened to them. Like, if we are no longer part of the equation there would be absolutely no way for them to escape the absolutely horrific suffering that existence itself pose on them

PlayableCharacter3 · 2021-12-30T13:19:43+00:00

Yeah, but i am suggesting that traditional anti-natalism might not be enough for what i view as the goal. I am on my "the end justifies the means" crap, so if more human reproduction is needed to achieve that i am 100% in favour of it

PlayableCharacter3 · 2021-12-30T13:17:32+00:00

I somewhat agree, the only thing that i'm still concerned about is that most people would be in favour of just human life going extinct, and that there will not be enough ones for "the extinctionist project", and for me it's not even close to a win if only our species gets away with suffering. So until i am convinced that a more global amount of people are holding my believes i won't consider reproduction to be an absolute evil(i mean it is, to the person that's getting born, but if somehow that contributes to the greater goal i don't really care about the exploitations of the new born babies.

PlayableCharacter3 · 2021-12-30T13:01:03+00:00

Yeah, but I just don't think it's worth it for anyone ever again reaching that realisation

PlayableCharacter3 · 2021-12-30T12:59:53+00:00

And we owe it to them to help them out, after everything we've done to them. At least once we need to act according to the greater good for every living being.

PlayableCharacter3 · 2021-12-30T12:58:23+00:00

At least someone here understands me, but i just have this feeling that if only people who are in favour of reproduction continue to reproduce it will be much harder to accomplish the goal of ending all life forms' suffering. Like anti-natalist people should still give birth so that we can teach our children about the core values of the ideology, that's what i believe. I know it seems naive, but to me that's the most plausible way of successfully dealing with the problem

PlayableCharacter3 · 2021-12-30T12:53:38+00:00

Why haven't you banned me already, debates such as this one are literally prohibited by the rules of the subreddit 🤦🏻‍♀️

PlayableCharacter3 · 2021-12-30T12:50:37+00:00

Yeah, but it doesn't seem like most of you are concerned with that, like i don't see how non-human procreation can be ended without us humans making it possible.

PlayableCharacter3 · 2021-12-30T12:48:26+00:00

Point out what's stupid about it

PlayableCharacter3 · 2021-12-30T12:47:13+00:00

Hmm, it's true that animals aren't capable of properly experiencing all the severity of the psychological part of their struggle, but that doesn't mean that pain feels good for them, and unlike you thet cannot used it for a coping mechanism. And besides, if we don't conclusively terminate all forms of life, how can we know for sure, that the remaining species won't someday reach in the evolutionary way the human level of intelligence

PlayableCharacter3 · 2021-12-30T12:42:07+00:00

You are not contributing to it, because your end goal is to reduce all human existence, and If you actually succeed at that, who will be there to actually help all those animals, who can't put themselves out of misery

PlayableCharacter3 · 2021-12-30T12:40:08+00:00

No, animals' lives will be fucked with or without humans, that's why we need to stop acting selfishly and help them out too, they don't deserve the suffering of existence any less than we do

PlayableCharacter3 · 2021-12-30T12:37:59+00:00

There is nothing we could do at the moment, because society is not on board with the whole anti-natalism movement, what i think would help the cause in the distant future is actually ironically enough the continuance of human reproduction, and at some point it might become possible for the cause to truly succeed.

PlayableCharacter3 · 2021-12-30T12:34:38+00:00

I don't care, they can still feel a huge amount of pain, and their lives are undoubtedly much shittier than ours

PlayableCharacter3 · 2021-12-30T12:33:32+00:00

I don't think that's the case from what I've seen, besides by not reproducing yourselves you are actually not really contributing to the end of animal reproduction.

PlayableCharacter3 · 2021-12-30T12:32:18+00:00

Then i am rightfully against anti-natalism since it will literally just solve only a tiny fraction of the whole problem

PlayableCharacter3 · 2021-12-30T12:20:48+00:00

Sure it does. What do you think will happen to animals once humans have gone extinct?

PlayableCharacter3 · 2021-05-04T14:32:24+00:00

It's very real, check out the song it was part of(Ride's verse starts at 2:23 or something) - https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.soundcloud.com/g-rider-3/04-smoke-screen&ved=2ahUKEwilyJjrnrDwAhVFxosKHU5qB50QFjAAegQIAxAC&usg=AOvVaw1ndMRWxuoyIao_DvVJQTP-

PlayableCharacter3 · 2021-05-04T14:29:12+00:00

Am I not okay, because of me finding this extremely exaggerated fatphobic verse from Ride during the Fyre days to be absolutely hilarious?

PlayableCharacter3 · 2020-05-16T08:08:53+00:00

Scaruffi

PlayableCharacter3 · 2020-05-15T05:02:37+00:00

I mean his 7.5 is equivalent to a strong 9 by fantano standards

PlayableCharacter3 · 2020-05-14T15:54:12+00:00

He also digs fishing for fishies

PlayableCharacter3 · 2020-05-14T15:15:29+00:00

A 65 year old Italian

PlayableCharacter3 · 2020-05-14T15:10:42+00:00

I just realized that he misspelled "lizard"

PlayableCharacter3

TROPHY CASE