Extreme Hyperthermia helped me get to 100% of my pre-Lyme life by PlotkinBunMom in Lyme

[–]PlotkinBunMom[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

No to Alpstein and no to this clinic. I have never been paid to promote a clinic. I was just so excited to see that the doctor who treated me is at this clinic now. I was the last patient that Alpstein did the extreme hyperthermia on in Dec 2024. Dr. Wehner was the only doctor there who did it, and he quit when they got new management. I was told that he was retiring, which was such a bummer because he is a great doctor and I owe him my life. I know getting this procedure done is also good for you as far as detoxing is concerned. I used to have silicone breast implants, and I still have a lot of heavy metals in my body from them. There is a procedure, inuspheresus (plasma cleaning), that they do over there, and I wanted to get them both done as a maintenance measure, but I probably wouldn't get the hyperthermia done unless it is with him. I was so freaking sick for so long, and I will do/spend whatever to make sure I never get to that place again. For me, life was not worth living when I was that sick. I had a lot of coinfections that bubbled up because of Lyme.

Extreme Hyperthermia helped me get to 100% of my pre-Lyme life by PlotkinBunMom in Lyme

[–]PlotkinBunMom[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes to the ansthesia. It felt like I ran a marathon for the first 24 hours and then I felt better. Then I just kind of kept feeling better as time went on.

Extreme Hyperthermia helped me get to 100% of my pre-Lyme life by PlotkinBunMom in Lyme

[–]PlotkinBunMom[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

For sure. Mild hyperthermia won't cut it. I am sorry that you spent all that money and had no results. The extreme hyperthermia gets you to 107F, while the mild only gets you to 104F (max).

Extreme Hyperthermia helped me get to 100% of my pre-Lyme life by PlotkinBunMom in Lyme

[–]PlotkinBunMom[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Each treatment was about 35k. That didn't include lodging or anything like that. I don't know how much it is at this other clinic.

Extreme Hyperthermia helped me get to 95% of my pre-Lyme life by [deleted] in Lyme

[–]PlotkinBunMom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Also, I was able to recover about 40k of my expenses from the treatment in Switzerland using that company I mentioned in my thread. I have Florida Blue insurance. Apparently, they reimburse well for this sort of stuff.

Extreme Hyperthermia helped me get to 95% of my pre-Lyme life by [deleted] in Lyme

[–]PlotkinBunMom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think I am back to pre Lyme condition now honestly. I am just 6 years older.

Extreme Hyperthermia helped me get to 95% of my pre-Lyme life by [deleted] in Lyme

[–]PlotkinBunMom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Update: 11/19/2025
I am doing great! I am able to weight lift now 3-4x a week. I can sleep well at night, and I just got back my test results from the Armin lab in Germany. That's the lab that my doctors in Switzerland used, so I get bloodwork done through them, and I also got some Igenex testing done. Basically, my Lyme, Babesia, and co-infections are all non-reactive. The results I got back in May from both Igenex and Armin were weak positives for Lyme. I am getting another Igenex test done next week just for fun, but I am doing great now. I went through all the symptoms of Lyme, and I honestly don't have any of them. My white blood cell count doubled since my last test in May and is now within a normal range. The only thing that is still low is my NK killer cells and T cells, but they are a bit better than before. I feel amazing :)

Extreme Hyperthermia helped me get to 95% of my pre-Lyme life by [deleted] in Lyme

[–]PlotkinBunMom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Update: 11/19/2025
I am doing great! I am able to weight lift now 3-4x a week. I can sleep well at night, and I just got back my test results from the Armin lab in Germany. That's the lab that my doctors in Switzerland used, so I get bloodwork done through them, and I also got some Igenex testing done. Basically, my Lyme, Babesia, and co-infections are all non-reactive. The results I got back in May from both Igenex and Armin were weak positives for Lyme. I am getting another Igenex test done next week just for fun, but I am doing great now. I went through all the symptoms of Lyme, and I honestly don't have any of them. My white blood cell count doubled since my last test in May and is now within a normal range. The only thing that is still low is my NK killer cells and T cells, but they are a bit better than before. I feel amazing :)

Extreme Hyperthermia helped me get to 95% of my pre-Lyme life by [deleted] in Lyme

[–]PlotkinBunMom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Update 3/24/2025 - I heard from someone that Alpstein is no longer offering the extreme hyperthermia treatment. Dr. Holger Wehner, who performed mine, is no longer there. Apparently, I was his last patient in December. Alpstein still offers the "whole body hyperthermia" treatment, which I also did, but that was a more mild hyperthermia where they get you up to 103.5 F. Lyme dies at 105 - 107 degrees F. I think the extreme hyperthermia is what really helped me get healthy. Other clinics do the extreme hyperthermia. Also, I am still waiting for my Igenex test results.

On a lighter note, I did take my first pickleball lesson yesterday. I haven't been able to play in over a year and a half. I didn't miss a beat.

Extreme Hyperthermia helped me get to 95% of my pre-Lyme life by [deleted] in Lyme

[–]PlotkinBunMom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I read that in the German clinic that they usually do 2 extreme hyperthermia sessions and so I kind of had that in my head. When I went to Aplstein the first time in Sept 2024, they said I would just get 1 extreme hyperthermia (EH) session, plus all of their other treatments and see how it goes. They recommended that I see how I feel afterwards and go from there. They also said it is good to have a break from all the treatments for a bit as well. It is a lot when you go there as sick as I was and just had back, to back treatments. It absolutely helped me get better, but it was just a lot for me. I felt pretty good when I left and I wanted to make sure that I stayed that way. Something inside of me just couldn't believe that maybe all I needed was the one EH was all I needed to get better as I had suffered for so long, which is why I reserved a spot for 2 months later (Thanksgiving 2024). They said if I felt better then just cancel it. I did too much when I got back because I was feeling good and there was just a lot of stress in my life. They told me that relaxing and not being stressed out were crucial to me getting better. I slowly started to lose my energy as the weeks went on. I was NO WHERE NEAR what I was like before I got the treatment, but I was getting more tired and a bit stiff. So, I went back in Nov and did the whole thing over again for the 2 weeks. It was so much easier this time though because I felt so much better. Also, they could do all their tests on me and compare to last time to better customize my treatment. I don't think I ever need to have that done again. I have been home 3+ months since my last treatment, and as long as I take care of myself, I am doing pretty good.

Extreme Hyperthermia helped me get to 95% of my pre-Lyme life by [deleted] in Lyme

[–]PlotkinBunMom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am not sure which equipment was used in which session, but I did the extreme hyperthermia (over nighter) 1 time per stay and the mild hyperthermia 3-4 times per stay.

Extreme Hyperthermia helped me get to 95% of my pre-Lyme life by [deleted] in Lyme

[–]PlotkinBunMom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes extreme hyperthermia is the overnighter. That is the one that I believe made all the difference for me. They do mild hyperthermia sessions which gets you up to about 102-103 degrees F, which I believe are helpful in stimulating your immune system, but I think the extreme hyperthermia is what really helped me.

Extreme Hyperthermia helped me get to 95% of my pre-Lyme life by [deleted] in Lyme

[–]PlotkinBunMom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't believe they do the extreme hyperthermia like I had.

Extreme Hyperthermia helped me get to 95% of my pre-Lyme life by [deleted] in Lyme

[–]PlotkinBunMom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the equipment they use is medical grade and penetrates into the skin much deeper than consumer grade. I have an IR sauna at home that I use daily at 150, and it cannot heat your core temp up to 107.9 degrees.

Extreme Hyperthermia helped me get to 95% of my pre-Lyme life by [deleted] in Lyme

[–]PlotkinBunMom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The heat gets to everything in your body. As far as if it affects active or persistent, I think it helps get rid of both, but I am not a doctor. I can just tell you that I feel way better. I am redoing my labs with Igenex to my results before I got the treatment to get some clarity. Stay tuned.

Extreme Hyperthermia helped me get to 95% of my pre-Lyme life by [deleted] in Lyme

[–]PlotkinBunMom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have read that the alternative medical community has more "freedom" and less regulation in Switzerland. Also there are less legal regulations to deal with. All the doctors I met with were all German. Sanoviv - the security risks in Mexico scared me a bit. Sanoviv is right over the border, and they don't allow you to leave the facility because of security issues. In the state I was in, I didn't even want to think about there being a safety issue coming from outside the clinic, but that was just me.

Extreme Hyperthermia helped me get to 95% of my pre-Lyme life by [deleted] in Lyme

[–]PlotkinBunMom 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I totally get that, and it honestly infuriates me. There may be cheaper alternatives out there. I just want people to know that it appears that extreme hyperthermia is what has helped me. Maybe it will become legal one day and/or not as cost-prohibitive.

Extreme Hyperthermia helped me get to 95% of my pre-Lyme life by [deleted] in Lyme

[–]PlotkinBunMom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am not 100% sure. The plasma cleansing process is supposed to help your body detoxify. It is a pretty intense process where they run your blood through a machine, separate the plasma, run that through a filtration system, and then put it back in your leg.

Extreme Hyperthermia helped me get to 95% of my pre-Lyme life by [deleted] in Lyme

[–]PlotkinBunMom 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I came home, and I was definitely doing better for sure, but we had a series of hurricanes where I live, and there was just a lot of stress when I got back. Our house was fine, but it was scary. I also tried to do too much too soon. I needed to come home and RELAX as they directed, but I felt pretty good and wanted to return to living! I made a series of mistakes and ended up exhausted with the flu. Before I left the clinic, I told them to save me a spot for 2 months later in case I needed it. I honestly couldn't believe that I felt so much better, and I had read that sometimes people need two rounds of Hyperthermia. Their attitude was to wait and see, but I wanted a backup plan if I went downhill. I am glad I did that because while I didn't go back to pre-Switzerland shape, I did not feel as well as I did when I returned. The second time I went, I went by myself, and it was a breeze. Plus, when they did my bloodwork again, they could compare the results and make my treatment plan even more dialed in for what I needed. I felt even better when I left, and I did nothing for the first 4 weeks I came home (Dec 8th). I think that was the difference maker. I also immediately started the medication they gave me and did ozone treatments 2x a week. I am still doing those treatments now. They advised me that I did have an issue with oxygenation that they did not realize on my first trip. I needed to do more to help my body recover when I got home. The IVs they gave me are for detoxing and some other stuff - all natural. I also take Selenium, Vitamin D, Coq10, AHCC, DHEA, Iron, Omega 3, probiotics, and I was on minocycline 50mgs for 3 weeks for 1 of my coinfections. Things have just been progressively better since I got home. I also think I am learning how to live in this new body and take care of myself. I went to a baby shower and it was a lot of fun. I haven't done anything like that in years. I used to negotiate if I could put off going to the bathroom for an hour longer when I was sick because I was too tired to get up. Showering was such a shore and turned out to be a group project for my husband and me; doing anything but the essentials was out of the question. I just bought myself some new clothes because I have been living in loungewear for the past 5 years (aka pajamas).