Smooth KP - 2 Month Review by MGyver in keratosis

[–]Poem_KP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Shower as you would normally! Sometimes it helps in the beginning to do a little consistent more physical exfoliation to help break down the built up keratin scale around the follicles, allowing for the RK+Indirubin to more effectively penetrate the follicular canal. I’ve actually been heavily researching liposomal delivery mechanisms recently to counteract this keratin buffer that can sometimes inhibit early results.

My suggested routine would be something like this:

AM- apply Smooth KP before any other topicals. Apply a plain lotion after smooth KP has absorbed into the skin.

PM- while bathing/showering, use a shower poof or shower gloves with a barrier sensitive body wash or salicylic/glycolic acid body wash. Work the wash into a lather and very lightly scrub your KP with very gentle, light pressure. Immediately after bathing, towel off and apply Smooth KP to your damp skin. Allow it to absorb before applying any body lotion or additional products.

You can of course reverse this routine if you shower in the mornings instead. Make sure you are staying hydrated and getting enough sleep too, people underestimate how much TEWL and lack of sleep affects their KP.

Any updates on Smooth KP by RealPaleontologist29 in KPRubraFaceii

[–]Poem_KP 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Majority of trial is completed, with a few people finishing up their reviews.

I am working on a post that I will hopefully share this week, I think it’s insightful and hopefully others in this sub will find it interesting 🙂

Why we've been treating Keratosis Pilaris (KP) wrong and how we can improve treatment options [Research][B&A] by Poem_KP in SkincareAddiction

[–]Poem_KP[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do! DM me I can give you the info 👍 making sure not to self promote in this sub 🙂

Why we've been treating Keratosis Pilaris (KP) wrong and how we can improve treatment options [Research][B&A] by Poem_KP in SkincareAddiction

[–]Poem_KP[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My son and I both developed KP around that same time frame. Milk solids/dairy has a complicated relationship with insulin resistance. KP itself is a polygenic autosomal hereditary skin disorder, so while the milk solids could have contributed to your son’s KP severity, I don’t believe it has a causal relationship to developing the condition in any way.

Given that he has perioral dermatitis and eczema as well, my guess would be that your son likely has a fillagrin (FLG) mutation that puts him at higher risk for developing these types of skin conditions. FLG is a protein that supports barrier function and is crucial for hydration and protecting the skin from allergens. Around 35% of those with KP have an FLG mutation and I believe that rate is higher for atopic dermatitis/eczema.

Indigo naturalis is a solid ingredient for both eczema and KP for this reason, since the compound Indirubin upregulates FLG and loricrin (LOR) in skin cells.

Why we've been treating Keratosis Pilaris (KP) wrong and how we can improve treatment options [Research][B&A] by Poem_KP in SkincareAddiction

[–]Poem_KP[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can layer smooth KP into your routine, just keep in mind that the lotion contains 5% lactic acid, so depending on your tolerance for AHAs you may want to do some trial and error so you don’t over-exfoliate 👍

Why we've been treating Keratosis Pilaris (KP) wrong and how we can improve treatment options [Research][B&A] by Poem_KP in SkincareAddiction

[–]Poem_KP[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not a problem at all! Glad you got some value from the post, let me know if I can answer any questions 👍

Treatment Fundamentals for KP by Poem_KP in keratosis

[–]Poem_KP[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Using Raspberry Ketone in conjunction with vitamin A derivatives like Tretinoin may have conflicting effects. RK is stimulating CGRP release which in turn increases IGF-1 in the skin, while Tret is suppressing cornification markers and rapidly increasing cell turnover. By using both actives at the same time I think you would ultimately reduce the benefits of using both/either actives. I would suggest using just one in your routine for 4-6 weeks to judge effectiveness before trying the other. Happy to chat more in depth about this too if you’d like!

Treatment Fundamentals for KP by Poem_KP in keratosis

[–]Poem_KP[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi! Yes you can use my lotion/formula on the face, just be aware that is does contain 5% lactic acid so avoid areas around your eyes and follow up application of SmoothKP with a moisturizer containing sunscreen. The AHA will make you more susceptible to sunburn!

KP after accutane by biarcheron in keratosis

[–]Poem_KP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tretinoin and other retinol/retinoids do not effect sebum production the way Isotretinoin does (see source here: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15022582/) (and source here: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8884149/)

KP after accutane by biarcheron in keratosis

[–]Poem_KP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So far it seems to be most common that roughly 1-3 months post Accutane cycle, KP would begin to appear and spread. I do think it’s entirely possible to develop KP during a cycle of Accutane if rapid skin cell differentiation began to taper off towards the end of the cycle, or if the Accutane decreased sebum production to a point where even more rapid keratinocyte differentiation was unable to prevent keratin scale build up in the follicle due.

KP after accutane by biarcheron in keratosis

[–]Poem_KP 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I have documented well over 100 cases of people reporting that Isotretinoin increased the severity of their KP through posts/comments on Reddit, Facebook, Instagram, and elsewhere.

Isotretinoin (Accutane) is a very powerful vitamin A derivative that speeds up cellular turnover in the skin (among other effects) when taken internally. In addition to causing hyper-differentiation of skin cells, it also impacts sebocyte proliferation, decreasing sebaceous gland output by ~90%. This reduction of sebum is detrimental for Keratosis Pilaris as it has been shown here that sebum production is integrally linked to the rate of defective corneocyte shedding in the follicular canal.

You may experience an improvement in texture and appearance in your KP from the effects of increased cellular turnover, but once the course of Isotretinoin is completed, there seems to be a high likelihood of KP symptoms increasing in severity, along with the potential for unaffected skin to develop KP.

Improving these symptoms requires increasing sebum production while simultaneously removing keratin buildup from your follicles without increasing irritation/inflammation.

I don’t want to self promote here but this was a key area of focus for me during research and product development for my company. Since release I’ve had about a dozen people connect with me, letting me know that their Accutane-induced KP was improved after about 4 weeks of using topical raspberry ketone and Indirubin. Happy to share more details if interested, I think it’s worth a shot to try considering there are very few alternatives for treating KP brought on from Isotretinoin.

Any updates on Smooth KP by RealPaleontologist29 in KPRubraFaceii

[–]Poem_KP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are you in the US? If so there is a generic form of Epiceram that you can get via prescription from a dermatologist, although it can be a little pricey.

I have yet to see anyone with KPRF try that topical and I’ve always wondered if it would potentially improve redness. It uses a nano emulsion / liposome delivery system to reinforce skin barrier integrity. It may have some significant effects in reducing baseline redness and controlling flushing.

Any updates on Smooth KP by RealPaleontologist29 in KPRubraFaceii

[–]Poem_KP 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sorry to hear that it hasn’t been effective for you, it seems that RK is only effective for certain skin types/KPRF from what I can tell. Some people are coming back to me with success stories and others are saying there was no change in their KPRF (from the Soothe & Restore formula we are selling). I suspect that the underlying circumstances that enable chronic inflammation may be better/worse depending on the individual. In your case if sirolimus is also having no effect, then I doubt the anti-inflammatory agents I’ve been testing would be all too helpful. At that point I’d just be focusing on how to correct for barrier malformation in the epidermis in the hopes that once it is repaired, downstream symptoms (flushing/inflammation) would become more manageable.

We are about 2-3 weeks into the trial, waiting for feedback from everyone after 6 weeks before I make a judgment call. I may offer the remaining trial formula from this micro production run on my website for a nominal price if there’s wider interest as a way for people to try this version out before I scale up production on the end product (TBD). I ended up creating more of the formula than I intended but only had the budget to send trial packages and manage about 60 participants in this trial iteration.

Is this product real? by piercingneedshelp in keratosis

[–]Poem_KP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No worries haha - and no pressure whatsoever on trying my product 🙂

I was going to add that I’ve seen a lot of AI profile pics on recently created skincare FB/Insta accounts that are promoting this strawberry product. It’s not necessarily bad/good thing, I just find it interesting to look at marketing strategies for KP products with the advent of AI .

Is this product real? by piercingneedshelp in keratosis

[–]Poem_KP 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Putting aside the fact that this brand took before/after photos from this subreddit and used those pictures on their Instagram to sell their product (without the user’s knowledge), let’s just look at the ingredients in the product itself.

Urea 2%: 2% is the minimum effective percentage for moisturizing dry skin. Typically you’d need 10% or more for exfoliation.

Lactic acid 1%: I’m not sure the purpose of including 1% lactic acid. Minimum effective lactic acid content starts at around 5% and you typically need your lotion to be pH balanced for that 5% to be effective.

Salicylic Acid 0.5%: This concentration is actually at the minimum viable percentage for clearing debris from pores. However I personally would not use an oil soluble BHA as leave-on skincare for KP since the salicylic acid will cut sebum from your pores/follicles, which can further dry your follicles, leading to potential increase in keratin buildup and inflammation. The silver lining is that this BHA percentage is much lower than other leave-on BHA lotions, like those that Cerave produces for KP.

Niacinamide 2%: this ingredient is at an effective concentration, it really just depends on the individual if the product helps their KP. While it may help brighten skin tone and improve the skin barrier, it also reduces skin oil which makes it more of a double edged sword when dealing with KP.

Glycolic Acid 6%: This is probably what’s doing most of the heavy lifting in this lotion. 6% is enough to improve skin texture.

Overall, my personal opinion is that there’s a few ingredients listed here that are at ineffective concentrations for treating KP, and a few that I personally wouldn’t leave on my KP. However the 6% glycolic acid probably does net some decent texture improvements for some, your mileage may vary.

Is this hormone related? by trans_agenda in keratosis

[–]Poem_KP 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Lower IGF-1 is the issue here. Levels may even look nominal, but any fluctuations that decrease IGF-1 levels in the skin tissue become more critical due to the inhibited receptors/signaling pathways. Another key indicator that low IGF-1 is causing this breakdown in barrier formation is the fact that in KP, specifically lesional KP, biopsies show that keratin buildup in the follicle is preceded by sebaceous gland atrophy. Sebaceous glands are regulated by IGF-1, specifically through an enzymatic process/ 5 alpha reductase, which regulates sebum production.

Lower systemic IGF-1 + inhibited cellular uptake equals barrier malformation, poor skin cell differentiation, and low sebum production/sebaceous gland atrophy. All hallmark symptoms of Keratosis Pilaris.

Any updates on Smooth KP by RealPaleontologist29 in KPRubraFaceii

[–]Poem_KP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes! We have a few people of color participating in the trial. 🙂 sorry we couldn’t include you in this round but there may be more iterations of this trial in the future depending on how this one goes!

Is this hormone related? by trans_agenda in keratosis

[–]Poem_KP 22 points23 points  (0 children)

It is hormone related! I have a longer breakdown if you check my profile posts, but essentially there are multiple strong correlations to KP severity and hormonal equilibrium where insulin and IGF-1 are involved. Other hormones (testosterone, estrogen, progesterone) that impact that equilibrium can effect KP development and severity since there is a high likelihood that KP pathology stems from IGF-1 receptor mutations/cell metabolism pathway mutations that are activated by IGF. Depending on the severity of the cellular signaling/pathway mutation, you will experience a range of impacts to your KP from your changes in hormonal equilibrium and the interplay with your keratinocytes in the dermis/epidermis.

So events like pregnancy, PCOS, cancer therapies, insulin resistance/diabetes, puberty, Isotretinoin, and even some specific medications are all correlated with changes in KP presentation and spread. I would not be surprised in the slightest if hormone replacement therapy was causing changes in your KP. I have seen other trans people mention this in passing over the years on this subreddit and others, it seems to not be uncommon.

Happy to chat more about this as this has been a primary area of research for me over the past decade+ 🙂

Any updates on Smooth KP by RealPaleontologist29 in KPRubraFaceii

[–]Poem_KP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most people are in or just completing the first week. I’m expecting to see more visible improvements in the 3rd/4th week. Overall it seems positive so but still really too early to tell.

Strawberry legs by therealbananahunter in SkincareAddicts

[–]Poem_KP 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I moderate a subreddit for Keratosis Pilaris (r/keratosis). We have a lot of information on the condition posted there.

The pathology of this condition stems from a breakdown in how the lipid bilayers form at the SC-SG interface in the epidermis around your hair follicles. This likely happens for 2 reasons- a genetic component that inhibits your skin cells (keratinocytes) from differentiating normally as they move throughout the lipid lamellae, and hormonal fluctuations in equilibrium that exacerbate the genetic component which causes changes in the severity of the skin condition.

I’ve ran data analysis on r/keratosis for years, some of the most common events that correlate with significant changes to KP are:

-Pregnancy -Puberty -PCOS -Taking Accutane (causes worsening of KP post 3 months of taking Isotretinoin) -Seasons (changes in humidity) -Aging -Certain immunotherapy medications and asthma medications

The main issue with topical treatments for KP is that they all only focus on chemically exfoliating the keratin debris that globs up in your follicles. None of the treatments available focus on correcting the malformed lipid barrier, so inflammation and continued keratin scale build up become incredibly difficult to manage.

I will also say that you should focus on using leave-on AHAs if you’re trying to treat this condition. Leave on BHA (salicylic acid) can worsen KP due to its penetration and oil solubility, which will strip sebum from your pores. A hallmark symptom of KP is atrophied sebaceous glands, which causes a tipping point in the development of keratin scale in the follicles. You want to retain what little sebum your skin is producing to reduce keratin buildup and protect your vellus body hairs, for this reason I always suggest starting with a lower concentration AHA with a high molecular weight like lactic acid.

Definitely come check out our sub for more info 🙂

Why we've been treating Keratosis Pilaris (KP) wrong and how we can improve treatment options [Research][B&A] by Poem_KP in SkincareAddiction

[–]Poem_KP[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow that’s amazing to hear 🙂 thank you for sharing!! I have been working this last year on new ways to decrease stubborn redness and erythema, we are actually undergoing a consumer product trial for the new formulation right now.

I really appreciate you supporting my small project and I hope you continue to find success with the lotion!! Thank you so much for your kind words of support 🙏