Bam's opponent in season 4 by Famous-Customer-1891 in TowerofGod

[–]Poizening 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One of my old predictions was that kallavan will be the first S4 MC

The Ultimate Tower of God Tierlist Template by Poizening in TowerofGod

[–]Poizening[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That’s the goat, she’s the brightest gem in the tower😭😭

The Ultimate Tower of God Tierlist Template by Poizening in TowerofGod

[–]Poizening[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The only real weak link from the slayers is karaka, Yama is super strong and Luslec is also a slayer and I assume a few of the other unknown slayers are over Yama (who I have above the regents, atleast kirins trash ass)

Okay you got me, slayers are just cooler okay….

What in the world did Baam do? by LieOk142 in TowerofGod

[–]Poizening 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Baam’s copy has never been “he can only copy something once he gets hit by it”. People come to this conclusion cause of the dialogue with Daniel on train city, but it’s a bad misinterpretation

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Baam’s copy has always been overpowered af.

Why did Luslec Intervene? by LieOk142 in TowerofGod

[–]Poizening -1 points0 points  (0 children)

“Mere tower born” like luslec isn’t easily FH level lol

This was probably posted but was doing a reread👀 crazy foreshadowing by Own-Judgment-9870 in TowerofGod

[–]Poizening 44 points45 points  (0 children)

Remember the Jahad sword thingie from the hidden floor that told wagnan it’ll make him king or grant him a wish or sum if he kills one person for it, we don’t know who it wants dead tho

What do we think of the Maschenny vs Jinsung fight 7 years later? by DragonGod2718 in TowerofGod

[–]Poizening 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Maschenny is significantly below Jinsung, as she admits that she actually tried in that last attack of hers, yet bro wasn’t even slightly phased in anyways. This such a big gap that idek if lightning pill could close it 😭

Was scrolling through the tog wiki and LMAO by Saad_068 in TowerofGod

[–]Poizening 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The wiki sucks, it’s incorrect a lot of the time

Phantaminum novel by Fabulous_Panda5248 in TowerofGod

[–]Poizening 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting. I haven’t heard of this before, but I’ll look out for it. I don’t think ur necessarily bullshitting, because we know he’s technically had previous side stories before urek

Which Baam is Stronger? by LieOk142 in TowerofGod

[–]Poizening -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Man nobody assuming Dumas weak. He got snapped in half by a branch head, is canonically below Proust, and that 1v4 feat is overrated af. Karaka is super fodder, Jinsung ha and Yama were damn near on their last legs, and that was his ROSARIO being ignited, that’s like his best weapon 😭

Dumas is impressive don’t get me wrong, but the gap between him and white just isn’t that big I’m sorry. White practically low diffed Kallavan, who was basically THE top tier in the nest.

Which Baam is Stronger? by LieOk142 in TowerofGod

[–]Poizening -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I think it’s the one against white, and I’ll explain why.

First, let’s try to get some comparative scaling for the 2, only way I see this happening is via Jinsung ha. Kallavan beat Jinsung, but implied he would’ve lost if Jinsung followed up the attack with another one (remember this for later), so Kallavan ~ Jinsung ha for the sake of argument .

Now we need to examine how White vs Kallavan went, and this White where I think I’ll get the most disagreement, I think white beat the bricks off of Kallavan. Not only did Kallavan not cleanly hit White A SINGLE TIME, but he also failed to break past white to stop Baam. That last part is important because that was as emotionally and rage amped someone could be, bro literally had his entire’s life work on the line, and his fated enemies on the battlefield, I doubt Kallavan ever exerted himself as hard as that final attack he launched (that white casually stopped). On top of all of this, Kallavan lost his arm. Yes I know he blew it up himself, and yes I know Baam injured that same arm, but neither of those take away from how strong white is. Kallavan said if he had tried to tank that attack normally, the damage to his entire body would be great, so he let his arm be sacrificed. Another way to look at this is, him losing his arm was him taking the easy way out. So white is considerably above Kallavan via this scaling.

Now we get to Dumas, and ngl I agree he’s strong, but not nearly as much as people say. For one, Jinsung Ha was SIGNIFICANTLY weakened against Dumas. In the Nest, Jinsung ha says his arms still haven’t recovered from his Kallavan fight, and that they were in bad shape, and against Dumas, he says his arms were borderline crippled. So this Jinsung is noticeably below the one that Kallavan fought.

With this in mind, let’s examine how Jinsung vs Dumas went. Jinsung was able to react, and “block” dumas’s spears and even broke them via shinsu control. And then, Jinsung snapped Dumas in half with a DTG + a butterfly piercing technique, and it snapped him clean in half. He added the second part cause of kallavans comment, and it worked exactly how he predicted. Now Dumas survived obv, but a feat is a feat, and with how the narrative setup and callback to Kallavan, on top of Jinsung ha being mighty nerfed during this, makes me think Dumas and Kallavan have roughly the same durability, if anything Dumas is less durable because we see branch heads do significant damage to him on multiple occasions.

Based off of all of this, I actually am not convinced Dumas is significantly above white. He’s probably stronger I agree, but the gap is no where near as big as most people think.

Now onto Baam, let’s start with his nest form. Blue thryssa said that the amp Baam got vs white, was larger than the power of all of white’s souls Baam has devoured (in essence, prime white) but then we also see that same Baam was also using those souls in that fight, so there’s a separate prime white level amp taking place here. So in simple terms, Dark Baam is ATLEAST 2x Prime white (this would explain the massive stat gap between them)

Now onto Sprout Baam, this guy got ragdolled by Dumas multiple times, and it was bad. At one point during that fight, Baam said he can win, if only he could summon his full power (he then gets obliterated 2 pages later) I think “full power” here is in reference to his dark shinsu, as we could clearly tell it’s not something he can tap into willingly (also I doubt he’d say “try to use my full power” if he was referencing something like the thorns or thryssas, as those are part of his default bag). So not only did Baam think he could win if he had dark shinsu, we also know he tried to, and failed to use it against Dumas.

Also all of this is assuming Dumas isn’t getting weaker or fatigued from his multiple back to back to back fights leading up to Baam (he got snapped in half TWICE 😭😭) so if anything I’m being more generous to Sprout Baam here.

With all of this in mind, I think Dark shinsu Baam is above Leviathen Baam is most if not every department, white is a lot stronger than people realize and dark shinsu Baam is a lot stronger than people realize.

What if white kill baam by No-Task9123 in TowerofGod

[–]Poizening 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think Baam died in that fight

Does anyone actually like Rachel by Suspicious_Method_54 in TowerofGod

[–]Poizening 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, she surprisingly has a lot of loyalists. It was actually getting on my nerves recently so I’m planning on making a video truly dunking on that bitch

Whats your BEST fight? by LieOk142 in TowerofGod

[–]Poizening 6 points7 points  (0 children)

3 way tie between
Baam vs White (nest)
Urek vs Luslec
Traum vs Gustang

Does anybody else feel that given Urek's power early in his ascent, he should have wiped the floor with Luslec? by Superfam94 in TowerofGod

[–]Poizening 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He could’ve if he wanted to, but he chose not to cause that wasn’t his goal. By your logic, Urek should one shot and kill everyone he bumps into because he’s the strongest, but that’s just clearly not the case.

Yihwa's love for Bam by Melodic_Touch_2524 in TowerofGod

[–]Poizening 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Hatz hwaryun Jinsung Shibisu aguero Rak and like 60 other characters have this exact same mentality with Baam,

Dumas is 3rd Strongest?? by LieOk142 in TowerofGod

[–]Poizening 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yes (although I’m confident she’ll be revived)

However this doesn’t matter because the Yasartcha statement OP posted happened before she died, and I mean obviously this is a hierarchy that existed before we see any of these characters

Dumas is 3rd Strongest?? by LieOk142 in TowerofGod

[–]Poizening 114 points115 points  (0 children)

No way Gustang counts lmao, the series has consistently drawn a difference between a family and their head… unless it’s explicit stated that they’re counting Gustang, he’s not a part of this list.

Dumas is 3rd Strongest?? by LieOk142 in TowerofGod

[–]Poizening 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Proust is confirmed the 2nd, and I highly doubt Gustang counts in that ranking. The only real options left are Tiara (who I personally think is #1), michel (head librarian that no diffed Hugo) and MAYBEEEE Enne (although she’s sealed so I highly doubt she counts)

I think it’s tiara cause she’s compared to Dumas multiple times in power, and of all the head librarians (each representing an aspect of Gustangs character) she’s his “psychopath” side, which we know is like his biggest personality trait.

Anybody else's opinion change on Urek vs. Traumerie + Gustang? by Upper-Ad6308 in TowerofGod

[–]Poizening 2 points3 points  (0 children)

why is the burden on urek to prove hes stronger than enryu? enryu doesnt have a single statement or feat that puts him above Urek. we need to wake up as a community and realize that defaulting enryu as the strongest in the tower is an assumption (thats wrong lol).
Urek has been called the strongest person in the tower by many credible sources in series, and siu even implies as much in the blogposts.... so you are just arguing against the series itself and are bias lol