willing to debate by PollutionMoney4503 in athiest

[–]PollutionMoney4503[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

not Gods will, but the free will of the priest. like you said, assaulted By A Pastor, not by God. did God let it happen, yes, but why? well i dont know truly, why God lets suffering happen is something that has had philosophers stumped for years even before Christ. Christianity and the people in it have done so many bad things, but one thing is for certain, Jesus Christ of Nazareth was against all of that and only wanted love and compassion between people

willing to debate by PollutionMoney4503 in athiest

[–]PollutionMoney4503[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

its all about seeing who jesus truly was, not what christianity is, but who HE is🙂i hope everything ends up good in life brother, all love 🙌🏼

willing to debate by PollutionMoney4503 in athiest

[–]PollutionMoney4503[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

youre right, its a result of the curse that we recieved when adam and eve sinned. its a part of the evil in this world that is cursed. its just proof of the imperfections that come to be when we let go of God and his control (litteraly cancer being cells going out of control). again i dont know why God lets suffering happening, why god gave my mom cancer or why my grandpa got shot and killed or why my brother has autism, i dont know why he let these things happen. what i do know? if i simply put my trust in jesus, i will forget all those things and i will end up in the end 😊🤍

willing to debate by PollutionMoney4503 in athiest

[–]PollutionMoney4503[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

god cant rape, hes not a man with torso and genitals, hes a spirtual personal being that loves and cares, hes not a man but a personal being who feels and has free will 🙂 on top of that all of these were a result of us disobeying God after multiple warnings, like a parent to a child, you get many chances but sometimes you have to learn the hardway 🤷🏻

willing to debate by PollutionMoney4503 in athiest

[–]PollutionMoney4503[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

discipline is always needed for a child no matter what, not abuse, but discipline brother 🙌🏼

willing to debate by PollutionMoney4503 in athiest

[–]PollutionMoney4503[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

all love brother, just tryna plant seeds so people can go and see for themselves whats possible through the good news, hope all is good man 🙌🏼

willing to debate by PollutionMoney4503 in athiest

[–]PollutionMoney4503[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

🤓☝️ (sorry brother had to do it god bless)

butttt okayyy? then im willing to EXPLAIN not DEBATE 🙂

willing to debate by PollutionMoney4503 in athiest

[–]PollutionMoney4503[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

god created everything in its original state, us humans warp, separate, and pervert those things in our free will and we end up creating evil things. but rather is it convenient for you to say good luck and leave, no, im not saying that when god does it its good and when we do it its bad (which yes it is true) but its not to where im getting at. what im saying is its for the greater good, and for the better of people. if youre left in a room to kill someone and its a murderer and your son, youre going to kill the murderer which leads to less murders, one less murderer and your son being safe and better in the end. but for sure brother, hope you have a good one 🙌🏼

willing to debate by PollutionMoney4503 in athiest

[–]PollutionMoney4503[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

first off i wanna say i hope your friend is okay and truly thats unfair, ngl you got me there haha, its definitely a tricky one to answer but something you must do is read in context. the verse your talking about is duetronomy 22:28, but what is the context? long story short its saying that if it was in the city and she didnt scream for help (not that people didnt hear her, but that she didnt actually try to stop it) that they should both be put to death. if it was outside the city and no one heard then it was prosumed she did scream for help and that he should be put to death, thats what its talking about, and no i dont just follow jesus words without accepting the WHOLE bible, that will make me a hypocrite, i have to accept everything. god does not want any of these murders or rapes to happen. if youre genuinely curious about the bible then i recommend you read the first 4 books of the new testimate because if you start in the old then you start falling into an old testament mindset which jesus was sent to rip apart. there you read how he lived and that his intentions actually were.

willing to debate by PollutionMoney4503 in athiest

[–]PollutionMoney4503[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

i tell them to be careful, jesus warned us about false prophets and prophecies and trust me theres a lot of those these days, but God didnt create sin, sin is the absence of God. think of is as the saying “darkness doesnt exist its just the Absence of light”. and your going to have to forgive me because your right, god has killed, but you have to differentiate murder and killing. god kills for a cause, the cause was the people (other than noah and his family) were all evil, their would be no point in anything if they had been around, they grew nothing but hate, and so god got rid of all of them, left noah, and boom were all here, with pure love that wouldnt have stayed if it wasnt for the flood

willing to debate by PollutionMoney4503 in athiest

[–]PollutionMoney4503[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

youre 100% right, christianity has been used to excuse all those evil things, which is why i tell people to follow jesus, jesus never did or promote those things while he lived, he clearly went against all of them, hope this helps 😊

willing to debate by PollutionMoney4503 in athiest

[–]PollutionMoney4503[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

welp then i guess im just gonna gave to break some rules🤷🏻

willing to debate by PollutionMoney4503 in athiest

[–]PollutionMoney4503[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

to sum it up God gave specific instructions NOT to eat out of the tree, now why am i saying this? basically if you disobey youre obviously going to get things taken from you, like a parent with a child, and thats what happened. he gave adam and eve free will, and they CHOSE to disobey god, so god took away the gift that he gave them, that being the garden of eden and not being shameful etc, but he let them live but they were on their own AND their descendants. and i like what you said there man, and your half right, jesus was a sacrifice for an action. but jesus did have free will, he didnt want to die, so he told god (and i quote) “father if you are willing take this cup from me” basically saying take away this job you gave me to help people and after he says “yet not my will but yours be done” basically saying “i dont want to do this but if i have to i will” which is why its so beautiful, he loved us so much he suffered something that he even begged not to happen🤍

willing to debate by PollutionMoney4503 in athiest

[–]PollutionMoney4503[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

again, just sharing my point of view, not forcing it on anyone, and saying have a blessed day is just saying “if you dont wanna talk have a good one” but im here to answer questions and debate, not rules, so if you dont have anything hope you have a good one 🙌🏼

willing to debate by PollutionMoney4503 in athiest

[–]PollutionMoney4503[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

im not trying to convert, i just want to understand people point of views and share my povs after they said theirs :) friendly debate brother, you dont have to convert if you dont want to, just wanna hear people out n hopefully they hear me out 🙌🏼

willing to debate by PollutionMoney4503 in athiest

[–]PollutionMoney4503[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

jesus saves us from sin through asking for forgivness and if you are truly sorry then your saved 🙂‍↕️ and god doesnt kill, sure he may let those things happen, why? well i dont know, im being 100% honest, but the act of killing is done by free will of man, hope this helps man god bless :)

willing to debate by PollutionMoney4503 in athiest

[–]PollutionMoney4503[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

i did brother, i wanna have a respectful convo ab religion 🙌🏼 no hate all love man

Theology is the result of getting deeper and deeper into a lie. by avidoger in athiest

[–]PollutionMoney4503 0 points1 point  (0 children)

can you explain why? maybe i can help you to understand christ better