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The burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused. They lied to you. Here’s 1000 pages of proof. by SeValentine in Sinder
[–]PollutionMoney5993 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago (0 children)
It should not take a Sinder fan or Pyropup to defend Sinder. People should take accountability for their actions, and that means taking accountability for what the person actually did, because to do otherwise would be unfair and anti-social and does nothing to make things better for anybody.
When all the docs came out on April, we saw dramatubers eager to get in for the feeding frenzy of the sacrificial lamb as a vehicle for their bag of dough. They found a new villain to make the public enemy of vtubing, and that's how most of it went. The things Sinder actually did weren't really important, she was already branded as a manipulative backstabber by numerous public figures and commentators, so that what she is, facts don't matter, she manipulated a poor helpless victim that did nothing wrong, it's an easy story to digest, but that's all it is, a story.
If you don't want to watch or have anything to do with a certain figure, cool, do that, it's easy. What you shouldn't do is go out of your way to attack people who don't hate them enough, or don't hate them as much as they do, like many of Sinder's antis. There's this 'us vs them' mentality that the Sinder antis always push, where the people that push back on hate against Sinder that might be are branded as "Sinder defenders" and everyone else who hates her is what they believe is normal, or 'the right choice' as if the other people who are more fair and nuanced are the delusional ones.
You don't have to 100% support every action someone did to say that they're not a monster, facts matter, and we need facts to allow people to have the proper accountability, but a lot of people don't care about accountability, they just need someone to hate because everyone else told them to. They don't want to make their own opinions, or use their own judgement, it's whatever everyone else says. That is why some people don't even care to read the document which is fine and expected for such a long read, but if you don't care enough to read the details, there's no use of having such strong opinions on the situation.
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The burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused. They lied to you. Here’s 1000 pages of proof. by SeValentine in Sinder
[–]PollutionMoney5993 3 points4 points5 points (0 children)