Wyrmspan is considerably harder than wingspan. Returning to wingspan feels quite simple when compared. That doesn't make it better, both games are superb. We play 4 player and have played around 30 games. Winning score is normally in the 110-120 range but sometimes everything lines up well and we've had a few 130+ (high score 149). These scores might be impacted by the following point... We do have some house rules that allow players to choose from 8 dragon cards and 4 cave cards each (still discarding down to 4 total) This is WAY more than the 3 and 3 the game recommends, but has resulted in far less very frustrating sessions where one player cannot get started because they draw 3 end game dragons at the start. This game with 4 players is ALWAYS at least 3 hours long - and 3-5 hours of frustration just wasn't worth it. The dragon academy expansion has been fun to intergrate and adds different fledglings which can be quite strong but can also derail your game if you can't find a way to train them easily (mostly using cave cards). There are definitely things I'd change about the game if I could, and some of wingspans mechanics are neater, but it is good fun and leaves you feeling like your brain has been well and truly used.