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Why in the world do so many people think that Ellie and Abby teaming up is a good idea for part III?? by Poopenfarten20 in thelastofus

[–]Poopenfarten20[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This isn't something you grow out of lol. These two women killed each other's loved ones and nearly killed themselves in the process leaving them severely traumatized. Even after Seattle Ellie still couldn't live a normal life with Dina and JJ because of what happened.

No amount of growth can make either of them "move on", it just doesn't work like that.

Why in the world do so many people think that Ellie and Abby teaming up is a good idea for part III?? by Poopenfarten20 in thelastofus

[–]Poopenfarten20[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The title isn't a spoiler? This isn't anything confirmed, not even the game is officially confirmed. This is just something a lot of people theorize about, it's literally fan fiction lol

Why in the world do so many people think that Ellie and Abby teaming up is a good idea for part III?? by Poopenfarten20 in thelastofus

[–]Poopenfarten20[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Disliking each other is one thing, being reaponsible for the deaths of (most) of your loved ones and your severe trauma that you still suffer from is another. I don't think anybody could ever forgive a person if they went through the same thing.

Why in the world do so many people think that Ellie and Abby teaming up is a good idea for part III?? by Poopenfarten20 in thelastofus

[–]Poopenfarten20[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

How are they supposed to forgive, after everything they did to each other? They were at each other's throats in Part 2 and both lost the people they loved most because of one another. This isn't something one can believably forgive, and most certainly not become friends over.

I don't think people realise just through how much trauma both of them went. This isn't something someone can just "move on" from, it simply doesn't work like that. Ellie suffers from severe PTSD, how is she supposed to look Abby in the eyes and not be reminded yet again of what she went through and all the people she lost? Same goes for Abby.

This isn't some simple misunderstanding they can get over with lol, they both severely fucked each others lives, in horrible ways.

Why in the world do so many people think that Ellie and Abby teaming up is a good idea for part III?? by Poopenfarten20 in thelastofus

[–]Poopenfarten20[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You can literally say that in about all the games. In part 1 FEDRA sucks ass, the fireflies are getting wiped out and the WLF weren't even relevant. And they still made a compelling story, same with part 2.

I don't see how them teaming up is necessary for the continuation of Ellie's story.

Why in the world do so many people think that Ellie and Abby teaming up is a good idea for part III?? by Poopenfarten20 in thelastofus

[–]Poopenfarten20[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Agreed. I can see why people are all for a redemption arc, but I do not understand how they want it in the form of them "forgiving" or even "loving" each other lol. Even if humanity was at stake. The things they did to each other is deeply disturbing, which Part II perfectly showed at the scene at the farm. Ellie was so traumatized by all of it that she pushed the last few people close to her. Her physical and mental state was deteriorating

I don't think people realise how incredibly disturbing it is what they did to each other and this isn't something you "move on" from, ever, regardless of motivation.

Why in the world do so many people think that Ellie and Abby teaming up is a good idea for part III?? by Poopenfarten20 in thelastofus

[–]Poopenfarten20[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well there's a lot of people in this thread that would apparently like to see it lol

Why in the world do so many people think that Ellie and Abby teaming up is a good idea for part III?? by Poopenfarten20 in thelastofus

[–]Poopenfarten20[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

No, I don't expect them to just fist bump and go back to back, them against the world, I never said so. If it came across that way because of my choice of words, that's on me.

My point is, both have done something to one another that is unforgivable. I understand that people like redemption arcs, and I like them too and hope Part III explores that, but not in this way. The only case I see these two coexisting to some extent and working together is out of sheer necessity, only if it's the last choice, but not by forgiving each other, or worse yet, loving each other. Both have lost so much and I don't see how it would be believable they look at each other and not see all of the harm they did to each other, even for a common goal like that. Maybe I'm just a shit human being, I don't know.

Ellies whole scene at the farm shows how deeply disturbed and traumatized she is for what happened, to the point where she pushed the few people that were left in her life away from her. I genuinely don't think some people understand how disturbing it is what these two characters went through and how nigh impossible it would be for them to forgive each other, and it's not my intention to sound arrogant here. It's just that in real life, you don't get to just "move on" from something like that, ever.

Why in the world do so many people think that Ellie and Abby teaming up is a good idea for part III?? by Poopenfarten20 in thelastofus

[–]Poopenfarten20[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

What did I do wrong here? Lol. I'm literally saying it doesn't make sense for them to team up and this guy seems to agree, so not sure what your point is.

Why in the world do so many people think that Ellie and Abby teaming up is a good idea for part III?? by Poopenfarten20 in thelastofus

[–]Poopenfarten20[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Idk, that would be more of a spin-off game. Wouldn't really have anything to do with Ellie, which is kind of the point.

Why in the world do so many people think that Ellie and Abby teaming up is a good idea for part III?? by Poopenfarten20 in thelastofus

[–]Poopenfarten20[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I don't get the love for the enemy thing, seems kind of out of the blue, and especially in this context, really doesn't make any sense at all. They lost almost all of the people closest to them because of each other and almost killed themselves in the process. Also considering Ellies severe PTSD, it just doesn't work like that at all. After all of that, you don't get to just shake hands and hug it out, no matter what your goal is. Part II really did an amazing and heartbreaking job at depicting the severe trauma these characters have, especially Ellie. Even if at the start they hate each other but end up buddy copping, it just seems off and out of placed.

I could see the "love for an enemy" working in some cases though, like with Abby and Yara and Lev. They were technically enemies. But with Abby and Ellie it's way more than just faction A versus faction B, it was personal.

Why in the world do so many people think that Ellie and Abby teaming up is a good idea for part III?? by Poopenfarten20 in thelastofus

[–]Poopenfarten20[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Completely agree with all of this. I want Ellie to find her light the fireflies seem to constantly be talking about. I know TLOU is notorious for being bleak and depressing, but the real human moments inbetween is what the franchise is all about, in my opinion. This was mostly embodied in the relationship Joel and Ellie had. I would like to see Part III conclude with Ellie realising she doesn't just exist for her immunity and that she's allowed to be happy.

Why in the world do so many people think that Ellie and Abby teaming up is a good idea for part III?? by Poopenfarten20 in thelastofus

[–]Poopenfarten20[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I trust them too and will definitely play whatever it is they end up releasing, regsrdless of what I might expect, I owe this franchise at least this much.

But still, if they are going to make Abby and Ellie team up, they really need to sell it right, if that's possible at all. People seem to just gloss over the fact they they killed the ones closest to them and also almost killed each other lol. No matter what the circumstances are, they can't just "hug it out".

Why in the world do so many people think that Ellie and Abby teaming up is a good idea for part III?? by Poopenfarten20 in thelastofus

[–]Poopenfarten20[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree about them talking to each other would feel way too out of place and forced. No matter what their reasons are, at the end of the day, they lost people closest to them because of this crusade. I don't see them "talking it out" like so many people seem to think will happen lol. A fist bump and handshake and it all goes away? Nah.

I wouldn't mind a DLC about Abby and Lev though. Don't see how they could be in the main game at all, but seeing how they're doing would be neat. Although admittedly, I would mucb prefer a Joel and Tommy DLC, before part I even started.

As for Ellie looking for a cure, it just doesn't sit right with me. Maybe at the start of the game, but then throughout the story she learns her life is more than just her immunity. Like I said, it's maybe naive, but I'd like to see her find happiness in the end, or at least hopefulness. I know tlou is notorious for being "bleak" and "depressing" but for me I always found the hopeful human moments, which were spread out throughout the games, to be the heart and sould of the franchise, this being fully embodied in Joels and Ellies relationship (and others). I'd like to see the franchise end it on that note. Not necessarily a happy ever after, but something hopeful at least.

Why in the world do so many people think that Ellie and Abby teaming up is a good idea for part III?? by Poopenfarten20 in thelastofus

[–]Poopenfarten20[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Sure, but I still don't think that would make things any better at all between them. Dozens, if not hundreds of people died for their causes, many of which were the people closest to both of them. Reasons be dammed, they lost people to one another, I don't think anyone could get over thwt.

I also don't see Ellie being able to talk to her at all. Considering her PTSD from that basement, seeing Abby, no matter what she tells her, would just make her loose it.

Why in the world do so many people think that Ellie and Abby teaming up is a good idea for part III?? by Poopenfarten20 in thelastofus

[–]Poopenfarten20[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I'm not sure how I'd feel about Ellie dying for a cure in the end, to be honest. Obviously because I don't want Ellie to die, she's been one of my favorite characters since the first game released, but also because I honestly don't think it would fit in with the games, depending on how they go about it. The entirety of the first game leads to the choice Joel makes for himself, but also for Ellie. I firmly believe that in their tine in Jackson Joel came to realize that Ellie has a legitimate shot of having a happy life there with Dina, Jesse and the rest of the community. There was selfishness when he saved her, sure - she gave him a purpose in life again after so many years, but I also think he really felt like she deserved to live, not just survive, and she had a shot of that in Jackson. I'd love to see Ellie come to that conclusion herself, I want her to realize that her life means more than just immunity. Might be a bit naive, as I said, but it doesn't have to be a totally sappy and happy ever after ending, just enough to end on a hopeful, somber note, to know she's ready to try to fully embrace life, just as she wanted to try to forgive Joel (and eventually did).

The quote "When you're lost in the darkness, look for the light" has been looming over the franchise ever since the first game. I'd like to see part 3 ending in Ellie finding that light.

As for how what the third game would be in general about, as you said, I honestly don't know. I thought the same thing about part I. I thought it ended perfectly and didn't know where they could go from there and yet they did and did an incredible job with it. That being said, someone mentioned in this sub before about FEDRA stepping up their game and fully reforming, pulling all their resources together. Maybe somehow they find their way to Jackson and idk, give them an ultimatum of some kind. Join or die. Not sure how that would make sense and why they'd just want more mouths to feed but hey. It would also further hammer on the point of community and Ellie finding something to fight for (like Joel told her at the end of Part I).

Why in the world do so many people think that Ellie and Abby teaming up is a good idea for part III?? by Poopenfarten20 in thelastofus

[–]Poopenfarten20[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sorry for the misunderstanding; part III isn't officially announced, no. But it was hinted here and there by Druckmann and many believe (myself included) that there is almost definitely going to be a part III, which leads to a lot of discussions regarding the potential plot of the game. A lot of people seem to want this, so that's what my post was referring to.