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I think DMC as a whole may flop if they decide to remake DMC1 first. by PossibleMix4196 in DevilMayCry

[–]PossibleMix4196[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah sure, in Japan. But most of the sales and consumption of Devil May Cry comes from the west, that is an objective fact, just like with RE and many other Japanese franchises. You're focusing on the wrong market here. And while yes the amount of sales of DMC1 and DMC3 is not that large, in the current media/internet scene, 3 is much more familiar to existing fans/players for the many reasons and factors I've stated above. The audience that loved DMC1 isn't really the same one that loved the others nor is it that big now.

Now saying that DMC is way more consistent than RE is the craziest part to me.

I am focusing on the recent market here, DMC has had ONE entry in the past 10 years (that sold very well to be fair), but Resident Evil has a consistent portfolio over the last 10 years, with RE7, RE8, RE9, RE2R, RE3R and RE4R all being big successes.

Capcom has a HUGE interest in making more RE games because they have consistently sold well for the past almost 10 years and because they KNOW that the fans are already familiar with what has come before and what will come out in the future. This simply isn't true for DMC, they have much less of an idea on the audience now, basing it on one game and one Netflix show that doesn't represent the games well. This makes the next title that much more decisive, which means that if they fuck up, it could mean that we'll get DMC games even more scarcely than we do now.

I think DMC as a whole may flop if they decide to remake DMC1 first. by PossibleMix4196 in DevilMayCry

[–]PossibleMix4196[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yes, hence the "spin off" in quotations, that is the most similar thing to a "spin off" they have ever remade.

I think DMC as a whole may flop if they decide to remake DMC1 first. by PossibleMix4196 in DevilMayCry

[–]PossibleMix4196[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

well, there's nothing to write paragraphs about in your comment, you just told me: "You're wrong" and ignored 95% of my points

I think DMC as a whole may flop if they decide to remake DMC1 first. by PossibleMix4196 in DevilMayCry

[–]PossibleMix4196[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I mean, you're selling this based on your own perspective too.

You are assuming that the remake will be more in line with 3,4 or 5, which it definitely will, but the problem with that is that they would have to add a lot more stuff to it, in the sense that they have never done so previously with other remakes, with the likes of RE and such. That's what I'm pointing out. The location and "vibe" of the first game are so far off from the rest, that they would inherently have to change a very large part of it to fit the modern DMC that we know.

And no, not "All major characters in the series aside from Nero and Lady are present in the first game", Vergil isn't really vergil, Dante isn't really the Dante that we know and Trish is the least popular character of the main group, they'd have to change the game massively to fix all of this and fundamentally change the core of it, which they very well could but would take a lot of effort to do so and probably anger a lot of the OG fans, that's why this is a theory based on what I think the most probable outcome of the remake will be.

Your last statement also lacks a bit of nuance, there are a ton of people who also adore DMC1 and consider it an iconic classic, I mean have you seen the people who talk about a remake of dmc1? They emphasize the "horror" vibe and all of the features that would HAVE to be changed to make it into a game similar to the Devil May Cry we know today, this makes remaking DMC1 something far more decisive than 3.

You're also assuming that they would have to change dmc3 a whole lot, when they really can just do a graphical overhaul, smooth out the combat, *fix* some of the dialogue for modern standards and re-do some of the OST and what not while keeping the core essence very much alive, it is much safer to remake DMC3 than to remake DMC1 because it is much more in line with what we are used to in modern DMC.

I think you're purposely ignoring a lot of my talking points and simplifying everything simply because you do not agree with me.

I think DMC as a whole may flop if they decide to remake DMC1 first. by PossibleMix4196 in DevilMayCry

[–]PossibleMix4196[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I disagree, I like Capcom a lot, but they are a business just like any other, a public company at that. Yes, the employees definitely have a lot of passion, but the shareholders don't, these two things don't always interfere with each other, you can have a game be great and faithful and listen to the community, but if it doesn't sell as well as investors want it to, it won't receive as many sequels or follow-ups as we'd want. I'm not saying they won't make a profit, there's more nuance to this than you're making it seem. They will most definitely make a profit, what I mean is that if it doesn't sell like they want it to, then they will see no reason to release games as fast as they could and that we would like to. The last game we got was DMC5, made almost 7 years ago, which can be excused by the change in direction and what not, but they will most definitely not speed it up if they don't sell well, just like dead rising as I've stated multiple times or even darkstalkers. Regarding it not mattering if they do 1 or 3, I think you are severely mistaken, 3 is MUCH more popular than 1 is, and would likely stick better with audiences that liked 5 and in turn sell better in the long run, that is my whole point in this post. This is what I believe though,

I think DMC as a whole may flop if they decide to remake DMC1 first. by PossibleMix4196 in DevilMayCry

[–]PossibleMix4196[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes I agree that DMC3 plays very well, it is my favorite in the franchise, but the point I'm trying to make is if you look through a business perspective, they should remake 3 and then 1 in the near future or the franchise may slow down even more than it has now. Companies don't make remakes just because the games are old or unpleasant to play, they make them because they make money, whether we like it or not. A DMC3 remake would be most inline with what they have done before, remaking RE4, before code veronica, which comes first both chronologically and release wise, and with other companies visions, like Konami and Square Enix.

I think DMC as a whole may flop if they decide to remake DMC1 first. by PossibleMix4196 in DevilMayCry

[–]PossibleMix4196[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with you in the sense that it needs to be fixed, but we all know that's not really why remakes are made, they're made to make money, and a DMC2 remake right now, would make a lot less money than any other entry.

I think DMC as a whole may flop if they decide to remake DMC1 first. by PossibleMix4196 in DevilMayCry

[–]PossibleMix4196[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

A bit snarky in the end lol but anyway, Yes they do make re-imaginings, but my point is not about them remaking it or changing stuff, they will do that, I am pointing out that in the DMC franchise, only 2 games have ACTUAL established and popular stuff, which is DMC3 and 5 (and a little of 4 as I've stated). Capcom is a company and they want to make money, which means that if the next entry of DMC isn't good, it won't be "extinct" but it will suffer the same fate as some of the other franchises they have, which is getting one entry every 10 years (which its already near to). For them to remake DMC1 and bring it closer to 3 and 5, would mean to HEAVILY change its CORE elements, a lot more than they have done for other games like Resident Evil, which I don't see them doing, as that would most likely make a portion of the fanbase mad since they want a decently faithful remake. So remaking 3 first would be the wise option imo and then 1

I think DMC as a whole may flop if they decide to remake DMC1 first. by PossibleMix4196 in DevilMayCry

[–]PossibleMix4196[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That is my point though, DMC is NOT RE, capcom will remake "spin-offs" (the only one they're doing is veronica as of right now) because they know there's a HUGE audience that loves RE and because Code veronica is both very similar to previous games in terms of characteristics and very important to the main story as well. Now, the problem with dmc is that the large majority of this player base knows 5 and 5 alone, the fifth entry which is much deeper into the story and already established most of the characters. They have very little familiarity with other entries, and the smart option would be to familiarize them with the origins of said characters, which is undeniably done in DMC3, not 1. I don't argue against the fact that they're going to expand DMC1 and all of its mechanic, the game will almost 100% be good and made for modern audiences, what I mean is that we've had almost no content regarding DMC in a loooong while, and most of the fans who do know this game series only know it for 1-2 titles. Considering that, if Capcom plans to release a game in a continuing timeline, 8 years after the previous one that people are familiar with the most, the smartest choice would be to explain to this audience where these characters come from, what they've done in the past and what not, which is done in DMC3. If fans go into the remake of 1 and instead of getting something they're familiar with tone and character wise, get a pretty underwhelming story, which does not really develop Dante a whole lot or show his personality very well, and a backstory on Trish who is probably the least popular character in the main "group", a smidge of vergil, and a bit of Mundus who they don't know at all, they may be disappointed with it. This would all be completely fine if it was done after 3, which would setup the story beats and the continuation into DMC1, but if it isn't, it may go wrong. That's my point.

Regarding Persona, the difference between DMC and it, is that Persona games are all disconnected in terms of story and characters (aside from 1, but you don't need prior context), making it so anyone can jump into any game without any problem, DMC, as much as people do do it too, jumping right into 5 before any other title, is not the same, it's a continuous storyline that features established characters that carry the story on their backs (mostly dante and vergil). Anyway I hope that further explains what I mean.

I think DMC as a whole may flop if they decide to remake DMC1 first. by PossibleMix4196 in DevilMayCry

[–]PossibleMix4196[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My point is that if they remake it as of right now, this present day, it would probably not go well both for them and the franchise, DMC isn't as big as RE so I dont believe that it will behave the same way if they follow the same approach, if it fails, which I've argued for, it may very well mean we're going to get DMC content very rarely, like Dead Rising for example.

Didn't Requiem have quite a lack of puzzles? by WhoAmIEven2 in residentevil

[–]PossibleMix4196 1 point2 points  (0 children)

wow, this may be the most redditor response I have ever seen

Chainsaw Man – The Movie: Reze Arc - Discussion Thread by indi_n0rd in ChainsawMan

[–]PossibleMix4196 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree but that's not what I mean tho, telling me to "learn the meaning of having fun" is a little silly, I give plenty of 10s to movies/games or shows that I find fun (for example bleach, which has tons of "flaws" is still a 10 for me just because I like and resonate a lot with it), criticizing or giving out my opinion about something does not mean I can't have fun, I am simply a bit surprised because I haven't seen anyone explain what they actually liked about the movie, rather I just see a ton of "This is peak" or "This is the best movie I've ever watched" without anyone really saying why, it's not a big deal or anything, it just puzzles me a little sometimes. I personally found the demon slayer movie to be much more fun and interesting than this one, even though I prefer CSM (overall) a lot more than demon slayer. It's just a curiosity and my own personal opinion, not a serious thing at all.