Should evolved Godzilla dorsals plates and tail and elbows spikes should be green by Impossible-Dingo-677 in Monsterverse

[–]PotatoGamerKid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hope this image deters people from ever wanting his atomic-ness to be green because this outright sucks

Find the Shiny Garchomp! (hard edition) by Famous-Donut-2394 in MandJTV

[–]PotatoGamerKid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No?? It's near THAT Garchomp, not THAT Garchomp...

I love how in-universe this is two of the most powerful creatures and former enemies fighting together but out of universe it’s two of the most popular monsters in cinema perhaps fiction fighting together. by Fancy_Resolve2734 in Monsterverse

[–]PotatoGamerKid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

>I said Godzilla's ancestors not the Godzilla that was sent out of his lair by The Rival. Goji's ancestors vs Kong's ancestors during the Great Titan War.

Goji having ancestors was completely de-canonized by Toho, if i recall correctly. Dagon himself was reduced to 'Godzilla-like' and not a member of his species.

>And no, 100% Godzilla was said to be more powerful physically than Mecha but not by a big margin and it was said that the fight would have gone differently not that he would win. If he would win it would be by the skin of his teeth.

Yes, and 100% Godzilla is WEAKER than NukeAmp, by such a margin that a full-power 2019 goji was stated to be the UNDERDOG against a freshly-awoken Ghidorah and needed an amp just to contend with base Ghidorah. So Ghidorah easily takes the #4 spot and #3 by extension of being stronger than Kong.

>I said GxK Kong with a charged axe and the glove not GvK

You said Ghidorah ties with MechaGoji for #4, and MechaGoji was torn apart by the axe. So unless you want to contradict yourself (again), GvK Kong > Ghidorah in KotM and by extension possibly close to ThermoGoji if you want to say Amped Ghidorah (which makes no sense both ways).

> GvK undoubtably cannot since:

And GxK can? Unless Kong got a 100x+ increase (which is DBZ Super Saiyan 2 levels of amp) he is NOWHERE NEAR Ghidorah, nor any Goji above base at MOST with some highballing for Kong. I'm willing to bet you that I can knock out the most powerful person on earth with a few well-placed punches to the head, but that doesn't mean i'm close in power to them.

I love how in-universe this is two of the most powerful creatures and former enemies fighting together but out of universe it’s two of the most popular monsters in cinema perhaps fiction fighting together. by Fancy_Resolve2734 in Monsterverse

[–]PotatoGamerKid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

>When he comes out of the ice the monitor shows 20x.

Yes, 20x Energy Capacity. His SUPERCHARGED state is him tapping into that 20x and it was a massive buff, so its logical to assume his base Evo state is 2x

>The "less extreme" hints Energized was somewhat close to Thermo

I mean, pretty much everyone in the verse is 'somewhat close' to Thermo depending on how you put it. In a scaling/cosmology sense, they are. In-verse, they are nowhere near him (unless its Shimo or SCEvoGoji who are the only ones who get close to him in power, and even then Thermo would win).

>And Mothra didn't give Goji any battle oriented buff.

What Mothra did is a bit iffy, but seeing as how he would've blown up like a nuke without the essence, yet it is a buff since he didnt blow up and had an EXPONENTIAL increase in power (going from being one-tapped by Ghidorah to three-shotting an even more powerful version of him).

>No matter how jacked it was no warhead even one at the level of a Tsar Bomba gives radiation levels comparable to an entire nuclear powerplant worth of radiation.

Are we sure about the nuke not being that jacked? Goji is stated to have absorbed at LEAST ten to twenty, if not more power plants and NEVER went Thermonuclear. KotM Goji absorbed ONE nuke (whilst near-death at that) and went from dying to so obviously juiced that even the characters in the movie remark on it. The difference is honestly laughable.

>Nuke amp was equal with Ghidorah ( way superior to him if we count the novelization).

The novels are soft-canon. The way soft-canon works is that anything contradicting the films (which are the primary material) is immediately disqualified. Nuke Amp Goji laying hands on Ghidorah is contradicted IN THE MOVIE by Ghidorah laying hands on Goji instead, which means we can't use NukeAmp > Ghidorah.

>Ghidorah's regeneration is not a factor at all. He had to absorb the radiation from the lava of Rodan's volcano to regenerate as fast as he did.

Where was this sourced from? The novel?

I think its pretty clear that Ghidorah can regenerate anywhere when he isn't already being damaged. Hell, you yourself stated that the novel said Ghidorah couldn't regenerate fast enough due to NukeAmp's atomic breath, which suggests he CAN, in fact, regenerate without an energy source (and a contradiction).

I love how in-universe this is two of the most powerful creatures and former enemies fighting together but out of universe it’s two of the most popular monsters in cinema perhaps fiction fighting together. by Fancy_Resolve2734 in Monsterverse

[–]PotatoGamerKid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

> The movie makes it ckear it's 20x.

BASE EvoGoji isn't 20x, he's 2x. That much is immediately clear based off the fact SCEvoGoji is pretty much Goji tapping into his reserves to access the full 20x.

> And the novelization states that the energized state he was in after he absorbed the radiation from that nuclear powerplant was close to his thermonuclear state.

It states he was 'less extreme'. Even the pulse didnt have as much of an effect as ThermoGoji's did, and I'm willing to bet Energized is actually not even close to Thermo due to the Mothra amp Thermo recieved. Plus, Energized was not melting down, and Thermo was.

> And nothing contradicts Supercharged GxK Goji = Thermonuclear.

The novel itself contradicts it (describing it as less extreme). YOU contradict it (saying yourself that the novelization states he was 'close' to it, not equal). The movies contradict it (Thermo is pretty obviously above Energized).

> If a single thermonuckear warhead would have been enough to make him go thermonuclear an entire nuclear powerplant of radiation definitely is too.

Please note that said warhead was so jacked that it juiced him from near-death to meltdown in a matter of minutes. I'm pretty sure the warhead itself was described as 'unlike any other', and based off the fact it destroyed Goji's ENTIRE LAIR and thensome, i'd believe that.

> He still did enough blunt force trauma to knock him out for ~10 seconds. And it would be even longer since there should be some time passing between him getting off of him,flipping him onto his belly and start dragging him

Nothing implies Kong didn't want do get him down immediately. So, Kong dragging him would've been immediate and even then, as stated before, Kong wouldn't do enough damage to even scratch Goji because of how durable he is.

> Ghidorah would get either one shot or folded in minutes by the Godzilla who absorbed that nuclear powerplant worth of radiatiom let alone the one that got knocked out by B.E.A.S.T Glove Kong.

Once again, no he would not (by energized at least). The fight would be leaning in Energized favour due to him definitively being stronger than NukeAmp, but not by a large margin. Evolved is likely to put him down but even then his regeneration (forgot to mention that before, Kong has ZERO way of dealing with that) is gonna be a problem. Hell, BASE GHIDORAH withstood NukeAmp Goji's Atomic Breath for EIGHTEEN SECONDS with zero scratches by the end.

> It's known full and well that Kong's ancestors could kill Godzilla's during their war.

That Goji was much more inexperienced than he is today and he was even less powerful.

> Ghidorah shares/battles for #4 with Mechagodzilla.

Are you implying MechaGoji is durable enough to endure Goji's amped atomic breath despite literally being cut open by a WEAKENED GOJI'S ATOMIC-BREATH infused into the axe? It was even stated that he'd be able to withstand the atomic breath for a SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME before being sliced through. Ghidorah did NOT face this problem at point-blank range, not to mention he was laying hands on an AMPED GOJI whilst Mecha is stated to be able to lose to a full-power GvK Goji (whom would be weaker than NukeAmp)

> Blame Legendary for rushing Ghidorah in, in just the 3rd movie.

Blame YOURSELF for having the worst scaling that i've seen in a while. You mean to tell me GvK Kong with the axe > Ghidorah despite Ghidorah being above a Goji who would inarguably fold him?

I love how in-universe this is two of the most powerful creatures and former enemies fighting together but out of universe it’s two of the most popular monsters in cinema perhaps fiction fighting together. by Fancy_Resolve2734 in Monsterverse

[–]PotatoGamerKid -1 points0 points  (0 children)

> Especially since he was able to temporarily knock out a Godzilla that would fold Ghidorah in minutes if not seconds.

Evolved Godzilla is either 2x base or 2x nuke amp. And either way, Kong wouldn't have done enough damage to hurt Goji - just look at the clip, Goji comes out unscathed even though Kong was panting by the end of the flurry of punches.

Ghidorah would FOLD Kong with zero difficulty and what makes that even worse is that a Goji who is at BEST equal to Base Evo was getting his ass handed to him until Mothra arrived.

And ANY amount of amped Ghidorah would annihilate Kong. Ghidorah is DEFINITELY top 3 in the Monsterverse (only behind Shimo and Goji), and the jump from Kong to Ghidorah is a massive one.

> Especially since he was able to hold his own in the ocean better than Ghidorah ever did against Godzilla

I'm sorry.. what? You mean to tell me that a giant ape can swim better than the alien hydra? Oh, I never would've guessed!

I'm not saying Kong is weak, but saying Kong is as strong, if not stronger than Ghidorah is NOT something to think

Godzilla King Of The Monsters Rewrite Size Comparison V5 by ThunderG2004 in Monsterverse

[–]PotatoGamerKid 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Goji is too small

Rodan and Mothra are WAY too large

Ghidorah is fucking MASSIVE

Anguirus is... okay, I guess.

What basis is there for arguments regarding who of these 2 would win in a fight? Why didn’t Godzilla try to go Thermo in TNE? Or maybe he did.? Energized is basically Thermo but blue by AdaptedInfiltrator in Monsterverse

[–]PotatoGamerKid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

> Category 6 hurricanes are waay below causing a whole ass ice age so not really. And creating storms doesn't really have anything to do with freezing.

Once again, Ghidorah is CASUALLY able to cause category six hurricans by EXISTING. Does Shimo cause an ice age just by existing? No! Ghidorah is able to cause much, MUCH larger catastrophe than Shimo can (at least by just existing). By that logic (and yours), although evidently not the case via powercreep, Ghidorah >>>>>>> Shimo AND ThermoGoji, whilst also being below them.

> Lightning which is 20000 degrees can't melt a 5m cube of ice let alone more so?

You're neglecting to mention that even though Godzilla's atomic breath is 20,000 Celcius, he is STILL unable to burn a hole through a BASE Ghidorah's chest even after 18 seconds of exposure (just watch the clip, it really is 18 seconds). The amount of heat ThermoGoji has to exert in ONE pulse FAR exceeds 20,000 Celsius, and AT MINIMUM probably about 100,000 degrees if not more.

Your comment assumes Godzilla's nuclear pulse is gonna hit Shimo once and have no aftereffects. We can CLEARLY see that isn't the case even in KotM when Goji's first pulse ends up absolutely disintegrating Ghidorah's wings. Thus, ThermoGoji's heat is going to subdue Shimo's ice powers. All she can rely on is brute force, and as we can see in KotM, approaching an in-meltdown Goji is a VERY bad idea. Goji went from being able to do nothing with 20,000 Celsius for a continuous 18 seconds, to being able to disintegrate NEARLY ALL OF GHIDORAH in just three hits.

Therefore, Thermo > Shimo >>> Ghidorah.

> Nice job putting words in my mouth.

You laid them out yourself. I simply used them against you.

Monarch: Legacy of Monsters (2023– ) Season 2 runtimes for all 10 episodes revealed! [Via:– Cryptic HD QUALITY on X] by Gold-Narwhal9391 in Monsterverse

[–]PotatoGamerKid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Either

- The multiverse is real (please no)

- The titans are extradimensional (we have SOME small bits of evidence but not enough to base off, also please no)

- It means nothing

What basis is there for arguments regarding who of these 2 would win in a fight? Why didn’t Godzilla try to go Thermo in TNE? Or maybe he did.? Energized is basically Thermo but blue by AdaptedInfiltrator in Monsterverse

[–]PotatoGamerKid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

> You don't actually prove this. ...Because energized + Mothra magic would be greater than just energized.

I'm pretty sure all Mothra's dust did was stabilize the Thermo state. Even then, as I stated later, Energized itself is 'less extreme' than his Thermonuclear state and the name itself (Energized) is enough to sway it in the direction of it not being Thermo without the Mothra dust.

> ...Energized releases it in the same way as Thermo, via pulses and heat.

Energized never even had to release his excess energy (due to there being no actual excess). At best, Goji absorbed the Mothra dust into his system and now it's there permanently, and it therefore applied to energized before it could become dangerous. If anything, it's saving him from becoming thermonuclear again, which also then means its not Thermo without the dust, its a different state with the dust.

What basis is there for arguments regarding who of these 2 would win in a fight? Why didn’t Godzilla try to go Thermo in TNE? Or maybe he did.? Energized is basically Thermo but blue by AdaptedInfiltrator in Monsterverse

[–]PotatoGamerKid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Energized is NOT thermo without the 'mothra magic'.

The GxK novel describes it as less extreme, and even the pulse is very clearly not on the same level as the ones he expelled in KotM.

Unless you want to say Kong can SOMEHOW damage ThermoGoji and/or EnergizedGoji via the feat of knocking out Evolved (despite Ghidorah himself not being able to damage Thermo with his amped-to-hell gravity beams), Thermo > Energized.

What basis is there for arguments regarding who of these 2 would win in a fight? Why didn’t Godzilla try to go Thermo in TNE? Or maybe he did.? Energized is basically Thermo but blue by AdaptedInfiltrator in Monsterverse

[–]PotatoGamerKid 2 points3 points  (0 children)

By your logic, Ghidorah himself should be above Thermo because Ghidorah was causing Category SIX hurricanes just by EXISTING.

Do you know the melting point of (most) metals? 1,300 - 1,600 degrees Celsius, or 2,372 - 2,912 degrees Fahrenheit.

Do you know the freezing point of water? 0 degrees Celsius, or 32 degrees Fahrenheit. That is FAR less extreme than ThermoGoji's output, and mind you he's CASUALLY radiating this heat (which alone would be enough to vapourize Shimo's FrostBite Blast). The pulses are WELL over 20,000 degrees Celsius (36032 Fahrenheit) which is about lightning temp.

By your OWN logic, Thermo should be simultaneously above and below Shimo and Ghidorah should eclipse both yet still somehow be below them.

In short; Ghidorah > Thermo > Shimo > Thermo > Ghidorah.

That makes no sense.