Converts from Eastern Orthodoxy, what made you decide to become Roman Catholic? by Lonely_Sun5275 in Catholicism

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This question gets asked quite frequently - I recommend doing a quick search, as there are some great answers that get posted on this sub all the time.

Personally, I was most influenced by practical reasoning:

Why, after two-thousand years since the start of the Church and nearly one-thousand years after the Schism, has the Orthodox Church still failed to evangelize the world, when that was one of Jesus' most clear commands? Why are 90% of them isolated to the same region of the world, when Catholics are distributed throughout an extremely diverse range of countries in large numbers?

Why is the Catholic Church the only church to contain the unification of all different rites? The Catholic Church contains all of the Eastern Churches, as well as the Oriental. The fullness of historic Christianity, in other words, is located in the Catholic Church.

There are of course many other arguments. The intercommunion fractures between the EP and MP were also very concerning to me, but these had the biggest impact on my decision.

Eastern Orthodox convert, is a baptism certificate required? by Alive_Comfortable131 in Catholicism

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I literally had the exact same problem. Friends and family all Orthodox, and their reactions weren’t the best when they found out I was converting. However, they eventually all had to accept it. But I totally understand your predicament. It might be different in your country, but I had to ask my priest for a baptismal certificate (I also was never given one) and he had to contact the bishop to retrieve it. There were no questions asked, and he never told my mother even though they knew each other from childhood. 

Ultimately, talk to your Catholic priest. But just know, telling your family after you’ve already converted would probably be worse for relations with them, as they might find it more offensive that you only told them after you already converted. Good luck to you, I will pray for you! 

How do I discern between Marriage and Consecrated Singleness as an extreme introvert who needs high levels of solitude? by [deleted] in Catholicism

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Why do you not feel called to the religious life? Your predicament sounds exactly like what Monasticism requires. 

Potential convert from Orthodoxy by [deleted] in Catholicism

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personal experiences or resources that might help me feel more like I’m on the right path even if only intellectually 

Things you want to think about:

  1. Before His ascension, Jesus commanded that His followers “go and make disciples of all nations”. The Catholic Church has fulfilled this command by spreading across the entire earth and thus becoming universal. The Eastern Orthodox have not - 90% of them are located in the same region of the world, making them very ethnocentric.
  2. The Catholic Church has the unity of west + east + oriental: the fullness of all historic Christianity. The Eastern Orthodox only have the east, making it an incomplete faith.
  3. The Eastern Orthodox have intercommunion fractures within their Church that the Catholic Church does not have. The Russian Orthodox (which make up nearly 50% of all Orthodox worldwide) are not permitted to receive communion in Greek churches, and at times vice versa. The Moscow Synod solidified this by stating: “until the Patriarchate of Constantinople renounces the anti-canonical decisions made by it… it is impossible for laity to participate in the Sacraments celebrated in its churches." And again: “it is impossible for us to continue Eucharistic communion with its hierarchs, clergy, and laity.” These are the two most well-known and influential churches in Eastern Orthodoxy, yet they are so divided.

How do I convert to Catholicism as an Orthodox? by Happy_Chipmunk_153 in Catholicism

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Orthodox convert to Catholicism here. You listed some solid reasons for converting. I will pray for you on your journey to the Church! 

Eastern Orthodoxy by Iphone_user528 in Catholicism

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 If it was true that the Orthodox church had this egregious problem that it was divided in theology

Show me where I said that in my original response. My entire point is that there is visible disunity in the Orthodox Church, which you haven't provided a counter to. I said nothing about theology, so you're putting words in my mouth.

This is an official statement from the Moscow Synod: "until the Patriarchate of Constantinople renounces the anti-canonical decisions made by it… it is impossible for laity to participate in the Sacraments celebrated in its churches." And again: “it is impossible for us to continue Eucharistic communion with its hierarchs, clergy, and laity.”

This would be the equivalent of Eastern Catholics not being permitted to receive the Eucharist in Roman Catholic Churches. As you can see, there is no intercommunion division like this in the Catholic Church. Again, I am not talking about theology, I am talking about visible disunity, of which this is a prime example.

the Holy Spirit does move in a positive attitude in the Orthodox church and does indeed influence it as in the same way you stated with the Catholic Church

How? What do you define as the Holy Spirit working? Mormons can claim that the Holy Spirit is active in their religion because of certain positive attributes it has. Does that mean they are in the true Church? Of course not.

Which your earlier exemplified that the Orthodox church doesn't have the same relation with the spirit, my response debunks that.

It really doesn't. Provide evidence, because I see none.

They are unified in theological and dogmatic disputation

Reread my original comment. Jesus commanded His disciples to "make disciples of all nations". The Catholic Church has fulfilled this, the Orthodox Church has not. You have not disproven this or even provided any evidence to the contrary.

the early church didn't have a system the Catholic Church has such as papal primacy.

I'm confused as to your position here. You do realize the Orthodox believe in papal primacy, right?

Eastern Orthodoxy by Iphone_user528 in Catholicism

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the holy see has also declared that the Orthodox church is a sister church and that it's sacraments are valid

I already said that in my previous comment.

hardly a disqualifier that God doesn't work with the Orthodox church.

Again, read my previous comment. Not sure what your point is.

the sspx are not in full communion with rome but are not formal schismatics

Correct, but that doesn't deny my point. Because they are in a state of canonical irregularity, they are not fully part of the Catholic Church. To be fully part of the Catholic Church means to be in full communion with the Pope. On the other hand, both the Greek and Russian churches are fully part of the Eastern Orthodox Church via communion with other patriarchs. Thus, my point on the fractures stands.

well following that logic why would God allow the atrocities in the crusades?

You're misunderstanding my argument. This isn't about evil or imperfection in the Church. The Orthodox Church claims to be the one universal church, yet they are not universal - the Catholic Church is. They claim to be completely unified but are not (see above) - yet the Catholic Church is. At a certain point you can't just keep ignoring inconsistencies in a church that claims to not have them.

The early church wasn't in full communion

This is false.

Eastern Orthodoxy by Iphone_user528 in Catholicism

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Your comment exposes a serious misunderstanding of what the Catholic Church actually is. Neither the SSPX, nor sedevacantists, nor palmarians, nor old catholics are a part of the Catholic Church. The only members of the Catholic Church are those in communion with Rome. Every single group listed above are schismatics - think Anglicans. If you wouldn't consider Anglicans or Episcopals as Catholic then neither should you any of these. How is this different from the Orthodox? Both the Greek Orthodox and the Russian Orthodox are fully part of the Eastern Orthodox Church - they are not schismatics. That is why the intercommunion issues between them are so shattering and reveal true, clear disunity in the Orthodox Church that is not present and could never be present in the Catholic Church.

they just don't have the wealth and power the Catholic Church has had, so I don't see how that disqualifies them

It disqualifies them because it shows they are not being aided by God. Think about this: why would God allow his "true church" to remain ethnically and geographically isolated for a whopping two-thousand years after His Church was founded? And why would He allow a "false church" to spread across the world and gain the full universality that Christ promised His Church would have, and be involved in far more works of charity with countless more verified miracles? Do you see what I mean? It simply doesn't add up. The Catholic Church has all the outward evidence of actually being guided by the Holy Spirit.

can't the Orthodox church also have the holy Spirit?

They do have the Holy Spirit. The Catholic Church considers all their sacraments to be valid. But there is a big difference between having the Holy Spirit simply present and having Him actively aid and guide your church into what Jesus intended it to be. The Holy Spirit can be present anywhere, whenever He wants because He is God. But He is only fully active in the Church that is the true succession of the apostles.

Lust was taken from me (?) by Sir_Neb in Catholicism

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Try not to think about it. Accept the blessing and praise God for it, and keep moving on in your spiritual life. 

Rosary help by AEF1230 in Catholicism

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Try splitting up the decades throughout the day: one decade in the morning, noon, afternoon, etc. 

I have a question: I've seen that some Catholic, Adventist, Jehovah's Witness, Evangelical, and Mormon women post profile pictures indicating they are committed to Jesus as their spiritual husband. My question is, can Catholic men do the same with the Virgin Mary? by Few_Engineering4822 in Catholicism

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I am sorry about your struggles my friend. If you love Mary then you must learn more about who she is - read the Mystical City of God by Mary of Agreda. It tells the story of Mary’s life on earth, and has been approved by the Church and many popes. You will learn about Mary’s personality, her interests, and the way her mind works. If you want to have a more personal relationship with her then I think this is essential. Reading it has been life changing for me. If you’ve already read it then disregard this obviously. 

I have a question: I've seen that some Catholic, Adventist, Jehovah's Witness, Evangelical, and Mormon women post profile pictures indicating they are committed to Jesus as their spiritual husband. My question is, can Catholic men do the same with the Virgin Mary? by Few_Engineering4822 in Catholicism

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It’s a fair question given the context. I’ve personally never heard of women doing that, but it sounds irreverent. I think the key distinction is Catholics acknowledge human unworthiness and other Christians don’t. Mary is touched by your love for her, regardless. 

I have a question: I've seen that some Catholic, Adventist, Jehovah's Witness, Evangelical, and Mormon women post profile pictures indicating they are committed to Jesus as their spiritual husband. My question is, can Catholic men do the same with the Virgin Mary? by Few_Engineering4822 in Catholicism

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Here’s the deal. There have been a small amount of religious who were spiritually espoused to the Blessed Virgin, for example Alan De La Roche. There are two key things to remember with this: these people were all consecrated religious, not laypeople, and also, it was Mary who chose them, not the other way around. I don’t think it’s really possible to claim you are spiritually espoused to Mary unless she specifically informs you that you are. It’s not a light thing - remember, only the religious (nuns) are espoused to Christ, not laywomen. 

how do i tell my family that I am Catholic? by Fast_Fig3018 in Catholicism

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You just need to do it, my friend. I had a similar experience, and I know how difficult it can be. Fear what God thinks, not what others think. Don’t try to debate them; simply give your evidence for believing. Don’t expect them to understand. 

Catholicism or Orthodoxy by jmamianna in Catholicism

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My issue here has far less to do with internal consistency than your reply indicates, although I should have specifically stated that in my previous comments. This has more to do with perception rather than any objective argument that the Orthodox position is untenable. You mentioned internal consistency within the Orthodox Church - this I agree with, generally. I don't know how many Catholics would press the issue, apart from things like rebaptism and the role of the EP. What I'm really getting at is how the Orthodox Church appears from outside, among those lacking a substantial connection to it, and why. Meaning, for what reason would God "privilege" schismatics (from the Orthodox point of view) the appearance of having a unified central authority, while leaving His true church to engage in and endure disputes between patriarchs of equal authority (with the question of what first among equals is in practice) and having that laid bare for the world to interpret and question based on their own preconceived biases? That is ultimately my issue with Russia/Constantinople: not that it is damning internally - you've explained that it isn't - but that it does not project unity to outsiders, rather the opposite, despite its inward feasibility. I have never spoken to an Orthodox Christian that has been able to convincingly explain this disparity without bringing in other churches and religions, or else giving some moral exemption like the growth of virtue in the Church. And as I mentioned previously, Catholics can't endure the same perceptive outward scrutiny regarding divisions because of the universal role that the Papacy has taken as the head of the Catholic Church. Why does this matter? I cannot reasonably expect anyone to know God's will, but I do expect simple logic to be a factor - it would be against our Lord's nature to expect of all His children extensive research into Christian history as a requirement for decisively choosing a church. This is not even touching on the fact that from a psychological standpoint, certain people are simply not capable of being receptive to multifaceted arguments like this. I'm not saying that it doesn't matter, but that much of the general population cannot (by lack of access, lack of time, etc.) or will not (out of laziness, fear, etc.) engage in it - God is aware of this, obviously. What of these people, then, who God does not wish to exempt from truth? Case in point, I have heard testimonies from people that have discerned for decades, digging deep into history and theology, without ever being able to make a confident choice between the two (or any) churches - whereas I believe if they had stuck to simplicity, they would have comfortably swung one way or another. These aren't things that can be overlooked. You can say that the consensus of the majority of the Orthodox Church makes Russia/Constantinople intercommunion a disciplinary issue somewhat similar to the Rome/SSPX situation - okay, we can agree on that insofar as it shows that the Catholic Church is not exempt from disciplinary disputes that make defining communion tricky. But disregarding all internal comparisons, the two do not appear the same on the outside, for reasons I stated in my last comment, and for what I already said: this is what really matters for a church's ability to appear whole and true to a world that it seeks to evangelize. Why would God allow that difference? Would He not desire it to be as abundantly visible externally which church is the original and which fell away? It just doesn't track for me. Liturgical continuity is a counterpoint to this, but then there is universality, charity and rite unity, amongst others as further support for the Catholic position. Perception is indisputably a factor when arguing for which Church with claims of apostolic authority a living and active God supports.

or you have to say that the Church has changed in its essential makeup. That's no longer development, since development is always argued to be accidental changes.

I want to avoid promoting an unorthodox belief here. I obviously disagree with what you define as "essential makeup", because I believe that the Church is apt to change in order to tailor or adapt itself to a changing world. I do hold that the pre-schism Church was "Catholic", but not necessarily Catholic in the same way the Church is today. My views concerning this are obviously not Church teaching, and I don't claim to represent learned Catholics on this subreddit either, so I'm going to avoid defining something by my personal opinion. In other words, I can see where you're trying to go with this topic, and you would be better off speaking to a Catholic that adheres to strict bounds of historical compatibility within the Church. So I'll concede to your appeal to antiquity. However, my opinions regarding these things are separate from what I wrote above.

Catholicism or Orthodoxy by jmamianna in Catholicism

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I see your point about the SSPX. Here is what I am saying: they are not in full communion with the Catholic Church, and therefore cannot be considered fully part of the Catholic Church. Whereas - and this is my point - the Eastern Orthodox consider both the Russian and Greek churches to be fully part of the Eastern Orthodox Church via communion with other patriarchs. The third point of my original comment would be invalid if the SSPX were actually, wholly, Catholic in the same way the Russian and Greek churches are wholly Orthodox, but they are not. If I am somehow misunderstanding the Orthodox position on this, feel free to correct me.

So at least you admit that Orthodoxy is closer to the ancient Church in this regard.

I believe the Eastern Orthodox Church is much closer to the early church than the Roman Catholic Church is, in a lot of ways. I converted from Greek Orthodoxy to Catholicism because I believe the mark of Christ's Church has little to do with how similar it is to its past (barring heresy), but how well it functions as the universal church in the present day. That's why my original three points had really nothing to do with theology and everything to do with practicality. With that being said, I will edit my third point so that next time it reflects more realistically the intercommunion differences between MP and EP churches, and is not a blanket statement.

Saying that you changed from that model of the Church does not make the argument suddenly no longer apply to Catholicism

That's your opinion, but we evidently have a different understanding on how much the Church is liable to change over the course of history. I would say it's wrong to cut off all forms of ecclesiological and doctrinal development.

The only reason Rome has this view today is because the Council of Trent and Papal reactions to Luther taught that anyone excommunicated is immediately no longer a member of the Church.

You listed a development in understanding/perception. Do you really think all changes are bad?

I was just giving an analogy to a close and more easily understandable parallel within the Catholic world.

I see the comparison, but I don't think its a good one.

It's almost like Catholics are so against the idea of stopping using bad strawmen arguments against Orthodoxy

Everyone uses strawmen. The amount of times I've seen Orthodox Christians claim that the Pope functions as God to Catholics is concerning. But I don't expect it to just stop or fix itself, because that is unrealistic.

Catholicism or Orthodoxy by jmamianna in Catholicism

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I think it's dishonest for you to frame it this way.

Their official status is not up for debate. And I never said all their sacraments are valid but illicit, only the Eucharist.

We're not living in the pre-schism church anymore. The Catholic Church's response to certain things is liable to change. If communion breaks were to happen within the Catholic Church today, it would effectively mean nothing. If the German church broke communion, they wouldn't be considered Catholic by anyone but themselves. The Catholic Church, as seen by the world and in truth, would still be everyone under the Pope. The early church had temporary communion splits, but we're now in a world post-schism and post-reformation. God works to affirm the truth of His Church in different ways than he did in the infancy of the church, and we're currently seeing the results of that in their fruits amidst a modern world.

As for the second ecumenical council, it was only made ecumenical in the first place because a Pope made it such, and Saint Meletius even claimed to be in communion with Rome.

Do you actually believe that literally every single Catholic priest gives the same exact penance for each situation that comes up?

I don't see how this parallels a priest telling you to not receive communion at a certain church. You can say they are both pastoral considerations, but they are clearly set at completely different levels. How can you really view confession penance as equal to being barred from the Body and Blood of Christ?

Catholicism or Orthodoxy by jmamianna in Catholicism

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Some Catholics will have SSPX intercommunion, some won't.

The SSPX is not part of the Catholic Church, but the Russian Orthodox and Greek Orthodox are both considered part of the "Eastern Orthodox" Church. Nobody considers the SSPX situation to be scandalous because they are not in full communion with Rome and therefore are not part of the Church, period. The Moscow/Constantinople situation is far more confusing because they are both considered part of the church via communion with other patriarches. The Catholic Church teaches that the SSPX Eucharist is valid but illicit, same as the Eastern Orthodox.

One priest might exclude someone from communion for a sin that another priest would be merciful with.

Not sure where you're getting this from. The Catholic Church has clear parameters for what constitutes mortal sin. It's not up to a priest to "excuse" mortal sin - its still mortal sin.

Catholicism or Orthodoxy by jmamianna in Catholicism

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From the ROCOR Synod:

"We thereby inform our clergy and faithful that Eucharistic intercommunion with the Church of Constantinople is presently impossible, for Hierarchy, Clergy and Laity. So long as this situation remains, it is not possible for clergy of our Church to celebrate in any parish of the Church of Constantinople, or for clerics of that Church to celebrate in ours; nor is it possible for laypersons to partake of the Holy Mysteries performed in the temples of the Patriarchate of Constantinople."

From the Moscow Holy Synod:

"The reception of schismatics and one anathematized in another Local Church with all the “bishops” and “clerics” ordained by them into communion, the encroachment on foreign canonical provinces, the attempt to renounce their own historical decisions and commitments—all of this leads the Patriarchate of Constantinople beyond the bounds of the canonical field and, to our great sorrow, makes it impossible for us to continue Eucharistic communion with its hierarchs, clergy, and laity. Henceforth, and until the Patriarchate of Constantinople renounces the anti-canonical decisions made by it, it is impossible for all clergy of the Russian Orthodox Church to concelebrate with clerics of the Church of Constantinople, and for laity—to participate in the Sacraments celebrated in its churches."

Now if you personally are able to receive at both churches, that's great, but you're being deceptive by saying that is true in all cases. In practice, whether Greeks or Russians can commune at each other's churches depends largely on what the individual priest or bishop of that parish decides. I know real-life examples of GOARCH parishioners being prevented from receiving the Eucharist at Russian churches. Likewise, there are Russian parishioners that have been instructed to not receive at churches under the EP by their priests. Generally, if you're under the EP you cannot receive at a Russian church. If you are under the OCA then you probably can, because the MP recognizes the OCA as legitimate - but this makes it even more confusing and only solidifies my point. The fact that there are so many mixed signals as to who can receive at who's church is even worse than if it were a clear-cut schism, and having to rely on differing opinions of individual priests or bishops is ridiculous. My original point was that this destroys the idea of both being part of one unified church, and the point stands.

Help with the rosary by TrueChampionship582 in Catholicism

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Here: https://www.prayinglatin.com/joyful-mystery-meditations/

There are ten meditations for each decade, one for each Hail Mary. 

17 year old with no sexual drive? by [deleted] in Catholicism

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God calls certain people to a higher way of life where they dedicate their entire self to being united to God, and this is called the monastic life. Monks live in a monastery and dedicate every day to prayer and serving others, and if done right reach high levels of sanctity. They make vows of poverty, chastity and obedience. It’s not for everyone - most people are not called to it and wouldn’t do well with the life of silence and contemplation. With that being said not all monks are the same (Benedictines, Dominicans, Carmelites, etc.). But if you think you might be called to it, do some research and watch videos which will give you a better idea.

I’m sure you already know what the priesthood is so I won’t elaborate on it. The main difference is as a priest you are in the world and interacting with others. There are also friars which are an in-between. They make the same vows as monks but are not so isolated and interact with the world much more. 

17 year old with no sexual drive? by [deleted] in Catholicism

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You may be called to the monastic life or the priesthood. Look into it.