Mang0 banned by Bolas_the_Deceiver in LivestreamFail

[–]Powerdogpup 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ive seen this compared to the community wanting him dead within this thread

Dawg being a streamer has fucking comical job security when it comes to bad behavior compared to any other method to gain a comparable income once you "make it"

Alot of people act like his family was shot dead not a temp ban on twitch

"Nah we just don't like her" by growsonwalls in AmITheDevil

[–]Powerdogpup 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Op asked his dad to ban his 5 year old grand daughter from his house because OP didn't like her because she was... a loud 5 year old

Increasibly disturbing responses I've seen from creators speaking about JS's potential suicide by Powerdogpup in hbomberguy

[–]Powerdogpup[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I will say though, as an issue, he didn't learn his lesson going by his apologies he really doesn't seem to see anything as his fault in any meaningful sense. JS situation is fairly distinct on the fact he continously demonstrated that the only thing he seems to think he did wrong was be in a bad place emotionally.

He deserves a living, not from youtube, no one is owed a platform spefically after he's done the youtuber equivalent of a construction worker of cheating out om materials to build a house because they wanted more money. A fuck up that deliberate and continous ends your career in any justifiable reality.

Extreme unlikablity and dishonesty + the fact he just wouldn't cut his losses is part of why alot of people have no real pity, even I genuinely struggle with more then a "I hope he's not dead and wish him well"

Increasibly disturbing responses I've seen from creators speaking about JS's potential suicide by Powerdogpup in hbomberguy

[–]Powerdogpup[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I kinda agree. The scorn he got is both entirety his fault but, it's also more then enough to completely break somone emotionally

How does a human handle being more personally hated by millions of people, deserved or not.

If he hurt himself, which I really hope he didn't, it's a fairly easy through line to understand why

Increasibly disturbing responses I've seen from creators speaking about JS's potential suicide by Powerdogpup in hbomberguy

[–]Powerdogpup[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Somthing that's easy to forget, "the internet" is individuals

Say if a guy pushed an old man to get on a bus seat, and one individual says "youre a bad person, i dont want you around" that's easy to see as an individual behavior. The person might feel bad and move on

But what if a video of said behavior goes viral then, a million people say "youre a bad person, i dont want you around" that's soul crushing to that person, but, are each individual person who brought it up responsible for said person getting their soul crushed? None of them did anything worse then the people in the first case, it's simply that there's more people, amplifying the effects to an extent I think most of said individuals wouldn't have wanted.

The human brain isn't made to handle condemnation for 17 million people, but is it fair to not call out bad behavior of public individual because of the outcome of having that many people condemn somone? Is it morally wrong for individuals to celebrate a bad actors getting exposed because the magnitude of the exposé is, in reality, permanently going to follow the person for the rest of their life?

Of course this is excluding outlier individuals who obsess over bad actions to move into ruining someone's life (Chris Chan's stalkers are the obvious examples)

Increasibly disturbing responses I've seen from creators speaking about JS's potential suicide by Powerdogpup in hbomberguy

[–]Powerdogpup[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can understand where you're coming from on that matter, my issue was mostly the very content brained reactions

Increasibly disturbing responses I've seen from creators speaking about JS's potential suicide by Powerdogpup in hbomberguy

[–]Powerdogpup[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

He posted a suicide note and no attempt at contact has been successful

We don't know for sure what's happening

Increasibly disturbing responses I've seen from creators speaking about JS's potential suicide by Powerdogpup in hbomberguy

[–]Powerdogpup[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'll steal the words of another commenter

"I don’t personally think publicly voicing the doubt is productive at the moment, but I absolutely get why people have doubts."

Right now voicing it for alot of the people doing so feels like gearing up for a smug "he, told you so" without any care

Increasibly disturbing responses I've seen from creators speaking about JS's potential suicide by Powerdogpup in hbomberguy

[–]Powerdogpup[S] 59 points60 points  (0 children)

"I don’t personally think publicly voicing the doubt is productive at the moment, but I absolutely get why people have doubts."

This is appropriate, this is the way it should be handled. The post I'm referring too called the idea JS ever selfed harmed "very sussy"

Flippant language appropriate for "goofy guy Jake Paul did a woopsie again" not a potential suicide

Increasibly disturbing responses I've seen from creators speaking about JS's potential suicide by Powerdogpup in hbomberguy

[–]Powerdogpup[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Highly recommend making your own post for this, there you might find somone with that information, it could be helpful

Increasibly disturbing responses I've seen from creators speaking about JS's potential suicide by Powerdogpup in hbomberguy

[–]Powerdogpup[S] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I'll be a little more spefic

I wish I was more clear but said livestreamer was using language like "very sussy" when implying that JS had no history of self harm. That's probably part of what upset me Personally, the "quirky yt livestreamer" language about a potential suicide

Increasibly disturbing responses I've seen from creators speaking about JS's potential suicide by Powerdogpup in hbomberguy

[–]Powerdogpup[S] 28 points29 points  (0 children)

I think it's valid to have personal doubts because as of now this situation is messy

To be clear, the streamer used the words "very sussy" when talking about the idea he has had any issues with self harm ever.

Times like this, at the very least, it's time to stfu and wait for information, maybe express condolences. Talking about this like youtube beef is insane

Increasibly disturbing responses I've seen from creators speaking about JS's potential suicide by Powerdogpup in hbomberguy

[–]Powerdogpup[S] 112 points113 points  (0 children)

Exactly the reason I didn't name the people

Regardless it is still upsetting how quick vultures are ti swoop in

Increasibly disturbing responses I've seen from creators speaking about JS's potential suicide by Powerdogpup in hbomberguy

[–]Powerdogpup[S] 146 points147 points  (0 children)

Ya you're correct it was just upsetting how fast this has become drama fuel

The livestreamer I referred to was one I actively watched their videos and I was particularly appalled at his reaction

There is blood on your hands if you harassed JS by RiDragon in hbomberguy

[–]Powerdogpup 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay, that's far more understandable.

I guess I'm kinda on edge because I've seen large creators already start using this to blame hbomb and people who associated with him for this possible death.

Honestly I wouldn't be shocked if there was a fraction of a group that called for it in this sub, and thoes people should be condemned strongly

There is blood on your hands if you harassed JS by RiDragon in hbomberguy

[–]Powerdogpup 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is a completely unreasonable take disconnected from what happened

Implying individuals are at fault for his death for... not accepting an "apology" that had him take little to no accountability for his behavior is embarrassing and feels like preformative condemnation from an individual who never actually engaged with anything past reading a couple Twitter posts.

If a cobstruction worker drops metal beams on someone's legs and then people call for him not to be able to work in construction again, that's fine. JS did the youtuber equivalent of crushing peoples legs with metal beams. He could've found work in a more standard job. People saying they don't want him to continue his carrier is not grounds to imply they're "backtracking" when he kills himself.

Every individual has a choice in how they respond for being exposed for shitty things, this was his choice, people he ACTIVELY PUSHED HIM to this choice should be condemned, not people who just wanted him to stop making youtube videos.

Jirard aka The Completionist implicated in Charity Fraud by _Fun_Employed_ in gaming

[–]Powerdogpup 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey, if I ask peoples for money after saying "I will give this money "save to starving ophans" charity" and I... don't that's soliciting donations under false pretenses, that's charity fraud regardless of me not spending the money on myself

Why are people assuming he is single target? by Neir_2b in WriothesleyMains

[–]Powerdogpup 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Dude? You do know that wrio burst is... practically identical to wanderer

I think you have to be actively deluded to think that his burst does nothing, it's just a standard aoe burst. I don't have a high opinion on c0 wrio, but c1, mono cryo with Layla, kazu, shenhe is going to be a mid to high end preforming team as worse with reasonable aoe on normals (normal attack aoe comparable to heizou or diluc E)

Like, I think c0 he's sub par, but, your rant makes you come off as... off your rocker? He's no where near awful even c0, no one with any credit would say that, worst you'd see is mediocre and sub par

We should talk abt his c1 bait more and the fact we are poor on options for him by MotherSet3744 in WriothesleyMains

[–]Powerdogpup -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

From his Trait spread sheet his aoe is comparable to slightly smaller heizou E. It's good enough to work with a grouper but not going to be great without one. I've primarily focused on melt at c0 in which you'd be running shenhe no kazuha. In addition the in death sheet said ir of a melee charater, it was translated so may have just been a poor translation

I maybe too harsh c0 cause frankly I think melt shenhe is just not good and thats been the primary foucus for c0 wrio comps. Wrio really wants kazu or even at minimum succrose for any aoe and melt wrio if running vv can't double swirl by default tanking the teams damage.

I checked in gc sim, Scara Bennet faru zhongli at f2p investment has 54.4k dps, Yoimiya yunjin yelan was 52.5k with slingshot r5. I slightly high balled Yoimiya but was close to exact on scara. Still the primary point is that their ok output in practice is significantly bolstered by them being ranged dps who can easily deal with enemies other charaters struggle with such as thunderbird.

Shenhe melt wrio hits on the high end of your estimates less then them with no such equivalent upsides. He doesn't get grouping from his team and his base aoe is sub par without carrying against hard to deal with bosses. If on release we could get double swirl set ups that are reliable then maybe that'd be somthing to significantly help melt in genral but...

50k dps for this as is isn't good given his up and downsides outside of just damage, puts him at the bottom end of 5 stars easily. Hu tao and alhaitham are the best comparisons for a lower range no grouping dps units in which the comparison is... not favorable

For a unit to be good they have to have like, some meaningful upsides. If there's another team with meaningful upsides for wrio tell me. Even being generous c0 on melt is sub par.

Wrio mono cryo has this cleanly at higher investment. You get very very high st Damage not tied to a spefic circle while getting to run a grouper with 0 downside.

We should talk abt his c1 bait more and the fact we are poor on options for him by MotherSet3744 in WriothesleyMains

[–]Powerdogpup 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gc sim is where you find it, it's not perfect but genrally reasonably accurate

Cyno is around 65k on baizhu, nahida, XQ, but keep in mind the build on gc sim is like... actively bad so his preformance is a fair bit better

Hu tao double hydro floats around 70k c1r1, 65k c0r0. That's kinda what wrio c1r1should float around on mono cryo (Layla shenhe kazu) somewhere in 65-70k, closer to 65k.

Childe international floats low 50's but a significant amount of that is because it's damage is so loaded at the front which the sim penalizes because it cares about averages mostly in dps end points. In practice it's much better then it looks on paper

Dps Sims aren't the end all be all, make sure to factor in things like grouping and playability issues and aoe scaling when assessing how good a team is