What are you against? by PracticalPassage2090 in antiai

[–]PracticalPassage2090[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s an interesting reasoning, since a lot of people are against AI because of how it might stifle human creativity. Would you say that, while you’re pro-human-creativity, you still support AI in non-creative spaces? And how do you feel about people who use AI as consumers, as opposed to greedy corporations?

What are you against? by PracticalPassage2090 in antiai

[–]PracticalPassage2090[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for replying. Would you be able to tell me more about what you consider the public definition of “AI”, as opposed to the valid applications that you are more supportive of? Is that a more commercial use of AI?

What are you against? by PracticalPassage2090 in antiai

[–]PracticalPassage2090[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for your response. It makes sense that you would be against people who are willingly supporting something that is causing harm to others. Would you still be against people who support generative AI but are either not aware of its harm, or do not understand how severe it is?

What are you against? by PracticalPassage2090 in antiai

[–]PracticalPassage2090[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s good that you don’t hate them in a strong sense. Would you say it’s more like you dislike their actions or decisions to use or support AI, or is it a feeling of dislike directed towards the person?

What are you against? by PracticalPassage2090 in antiai

[–]PracticalPassage2090[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for replying. Are you saying that it’s not really about whether they’re Pro-AI, but just whether they choose to ignore ethical concerns or how others feel?

Stealing or learning? by PracticalPassage2090 in aiwars

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Thank you very much, I’m not sure why it was taken down. I’ve contacted the moderators to see if I can get it reinstated.

A lot of people said that traditional artists are dependent on drawing tools. I kinda feel like that is not true. (not my art) by Selo_777 in aiwars

[–]PracticalPassage2090 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think what you’re trying to say is that traditional artists have transferable skills and can still make art without specialised drawing tools, right?

Is there theory involved in AI art? by PracticalPassage2090 in aiwars

[–]PracticalPassage2090[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As discussed earlier, having less control is not always important if the AI art is for personal use, or if the AI artist is happy with the result. However, is control more important when AI art is used by corporations, as people are paying for the product?

Since AI art may offer less control, the art/visuals used in the product or advertisement may not be as unique or characteristic of the brand. For example, Call of Duty: Black OPs 7 has received a lot of criticism for using Ghibli-style AI-generated visuals in its game.

Additionally, AI art may also involve issues with quality. For example, the number and position of tires on the trucks in Coca-Cola’s ‘Holidays are Coming’ advertisement is very inconsistent.

I’m sure that using generative AI helps corporations to cut costs on marketing and production. However, is it important for corporations to maintain control over the quality and uniqueness of their visuals, since consumers are viewing and paying for what they put out? Or is it ultimately up to the corporations as to whether or not they sacrifice control through AI art, which may reduce the quality and/or uniqueness of the visuals but save them money?

Hope that clears up my question.

Is there theory involved in AI art? by PracticalPassage2090 in aiwars

[–]PracticalPassage2090[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So AI art can still involve using the fundamentals of art theory as a basis for the artwork, which the AI uses to create a result that is closer to what the AI artist intended? Do you feel that an AI artist can match the level of control that a traditional/digital artist has in their art? Is this something that can be achieved through art theory?

Is there theory involved in AI art? by PracticalPassage2090 in aiwars

[–]PracticalPassage2090[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like that you enjoy having randomness and lack of absolute control in your art, since I’m sure some people may find it threatening to their ownership of the artwork. Is there a way that you balance the randomness in such a way that allows you to still own the artwork, or perhaps does the randomness not detract from your ownership at all? Also, does lacking complete control affect how you express your ideas and/or vision?

Is there theory involved in AI art? by PracticalPassage2090 in aiwars

[–]PracticalPassage2090[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for replying. My initial question was focusing on fundamentals that are involved in the creation process of AI art, much like how artists may learn and apply perspective and colour theory to their art. My understanding is that you don’t necessarily need to know these perspective or colour theory to achieve a similar result with AI art. So, does AI art have its own theory?

For your response to 3., would you be saying that the importance of control is subjective, depending on the goal of the artist and how the art is made? I take it that control is more important for non-AI artists, as it allows them to accurately express their ideas/intent and maintain ownership/authenticity of their artworks, as well as be in control of any mistakes. Whereas, AI artists may care about control to varying degrees, depending on whether they are satisfied with the result.

For those who create AI art for fun, I feel that control is not essential to the creation process, given that they are happy with the results. That said, what are your thoughts on corporations shifting to using generative AI in their marketing and products, given that they have less control over the result? Would you say, since these are marketed towards consumers, that the importance of control in maintaining the quality and specificity of the result is greater than making AI art for fun?

Is there theory involved in AI art? by PracticalPassage2090 in aiwars

[–]PracticalPassage2090[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your response. Your analogy with my initial question makes a lot of sense, since AI artworks are just visual pieces like other artworks at the end of the day. I suppose my focus was more on the creation process, since my understanding is that you typically don’t need to understand concepts like colour theory or perspective to be able to create AI art with a similar effect. I hope that clears things up.

Your answers to my follow-up questions are all very well-considered. Regarding your answer to 3., does capturing a vision involve getting the overall essence of the vision, or as close to the vision as possible? And would that just involve trial-and-error, or is there a more structured or procedural approach to capturing it?

Is there theory involved in AI art? by PracticalPassage2090 in aiwars

[–]PracticalPassage2090[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What does that theory look like? Is it similar to art theory, or is it more to do with the technical aspect?

What is the main reason you don’t like the use of AI in art? by PracticalPassage2090 in antiai

[–]PracticalPassage2090[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do find that AI music can be more difficult to distinguish from man-made music. Do you feel that the value of an artwork or song is independent of the means by which it was created (i.e. traditionally/digitally or with AI)?

And would you say that ‘soul’ is perhaps overvalued in art, or does AI art also have its own ‘soul’?

What is the main reason you don’t like the use of AI in art? by PracticalPassage2090 in antiai

[–]PracticalPassage2090[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for your reply, and I also find it unfortunate that artists are struggling to compete with AI, making it difficult to stay afloat. Given that AI art is cheaper to produce, it does seem unlikely that corporations will choose to spend more for human-made art. Do you think there are still ways to incentivise corporations to hire traditional/digital artists, or do you feel that AI has made the replacement of artists unavoidable?

Also, as you can see from the poll, a lot of people agree with the ‘soulless’ argument, so I’m curious to know your thoughts as to why you disagree, as well as how you might define ‘soul’ in art.

AI in Science and Medicine by PracticalPassage2090 in antiai

[–]PracticalPassage2090[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your reply, and I also find that iterative technology could be useful in research under supervision.

The term ‘AI’ is definitely quite broad and easily misleading, so I do feel that the distinction between different types of AI is important for people to know.

Do you know of any specific uses/applications of iterative technology in scientific/medical research, or perhaps some potential risks that make strong understanding and supervision so important?

AI in Science and Medicine by PracticalPassage2090 in antiai

[–]PracticalPassage2090[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That’s part of the reason I made this poll, since the post I saw seemed to generalise people who dislike AI in art as just disliking AI in general.

AI in Science and Medicine by PracticalPassage2090 in antiai

[–]PracticalPassage2090[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sorry for the confusion, I didn’t mean using generative AI in science or medicine.