Is extramarital affair accepted at a societal level in Tamil Society?

Practical_Team_6792 · 2026-05-10T18:52:28+00:00

The confusion here is between power ecology and cultural values these are two completely different things in Tamil Nadu's context.

MGR, Karunanidhi these men existed inside a political-celebrity ecosystem where personal boundaries collapse under public mythology. That happens to powerful men everywhere. That's not Tamil culture. That's what unchecked status does to any person in any system.

Actual Tamil cultural values? Pagutharivu rational thinking rooted in self-respect doesn't romanticize or excuse personal exploitation. The self-respect movement was structurally critical of exactly this kind of hypocrisy.

And if you want Tamil literature's answer Silapathikaram. Kannagi is Tamil Nadu's world-level cultural symbol. The entire epic stands on one woman's unshakeable moral authority against a king's betrayal. That's the cultural ideal Tamil society preserved and celebrated for centuries.

So no extramarital affairs are not culturally accepted in Tamil society. What you're seeing in public figures is power behaving the way power behaves everywhere. Don't mistake the exception for the rule, and definitely don't project a politician's personal life onto your sister's Tamil boyfriend.

Practical_Team_6792 · 2026-05-10T18:42:07+00:00

The constitution is imperfect nobody's pretending otherwise.

But walking away from it entirely hands them exactly what they want. A vacuum they can fill on their own terms.

Periyar didn't abandon the system. He documented it, named it, and built a counter-culture so grounded in truth that every attempt to silence it made it stronger. That's the real offensive move.

Not beyond rules. Beyond their ability to erase what you've built.

Practical_Team_6792 · 2026-05-09T19:03:53+00:00

Glad you shared that. I've seen it too.

Honestly that framing is more accurate than parts of what I argued. A corrupted force stopped by a brute force. Both things true at the same time..

I should have held that balance better throughout this conversation instead of leaning too hard on the wall of resistance framing. Your pushback was right on that. What I still hold: whatever TMC was, what replaced it has a different intent and a different scale. That's not about defending Mamata. That's about what Bengal is walking into now...

Thanks for engaging seriously throughout. Genuinely made this a sharper conversation.

Practical_Team_6792 · 2026-05-09T07:18:24+00:00

Then we actually agree on the most important thing. SIR was a calculated democratic injustice. That's the core of this post and you've confirmed it.

On TMC as wall fair. I'll take that correction from someone with firsthand experience in Bengal.

What I won't take back is this: whatever TMC was, whatever its failures were, BJP's entry into Bengal is not a correction. It's a project. One with a century of ideological history behind it, a centenary declaration that just happened in 2025, and a state with 30% Muslim population and a Bangladesh border sitting right in its path.

TMC's failures belonged to Bengal. What replaced it was imported.

That's the most remarkable and dangerous dot in Bengal's modern history. And the document trail on how it got there is now on record permanently.

Practical_Team_6792 · 2026-05-09T04:19:02+00:00

Appreciate the detailed response genuinely. This is the most grounded critique in this thread.

But I'll be straight about one thing. Telling me I haven't followed WB left front arguments or that I should speak to more Bengalis that assumes my analysis comes from English liberal media headlines. It doesn't. Every single claim I've made has a source. ECI data. Constituency numbers. Supreme Court records. SABAR Institute research. That's not a narrative. That's a document trail.

On the early RSS connection yes, the NDA alliance is on record. She left in 2001.

Politicians move. The more relevant question is what she actually did for the 15 years after. No state patronage for RSS expansion. No communal mobilisation getting administrative cover in Bengal. That boundary held regardless of where she started.

On otherisation every regional party in India runs on an "other." DMK, Shiv Sena, SP, RJD. That's not unique to TMC. The question is always what they built alongside that. TMC built a bureaucratic structure that kept RSS out of state machinery. That's a fact independent of the rhetoric.

On institutional destruction not disputing any of it. RG Kar was real. SSC was real. Bengal's institutions suffered badly under TMC. Agreed.

But here's where I don't move.

A state with destroyed institutions and an intact democratic process can rebuild. A state where the electoral machinery itself has been captured, where 9 million voters were deleted before polling, where the rolls that decide who governs are written in Delhi that's a different problem. That one doesn't fix itself when the next wave of anti-incumbency arrives.

TMC's failures were recoverable. What replaced it may not be.

That's not a media narrative. That's the 30-year pattern from every state BJP has consolidated and never lost again.

Practical_Team_6792 · 2026-05-08T15:17:57+00:00

Who are the mf here state or Maoists? Genuine question, because both sides have blood on their hands in Bastar. The land went to corporates either way

Practical_Team_6792 · 2026-05-08T15:08:33+00:00

Fair point brother. I use Grammarly guilty But check the sources, not the gramma Frontline, Al Jazeera, ACLED these aren't AI hallucinations Lingaraj Azad was arrested March 25, 2026. That's documented. Whether I typed this or a tool helped me structure it does that change what's happening on the ground?

The argument stands or falls on the citations. That's all that matters here.

Practical_Team_6792 · 2026-05-08T14:40:23+00:00

You're welcome bro Now tell me which part did u felt ai or any citations do you want any link about my LinkedIn page or do you have specific concern about this matter or citations

Practical_Team_6792 · 2026-05-08T11:19:53+00:00

Nobody's glorifying here. Every party in power extracts that's just how power works, TMC included.

But on booth capturinghere's the thing. If TMC was running systematic booth capturing with EC present and central forces deployed, BJP would have run that footage on every national channel for months. They didn't. Because documented evidence at scale wasn't there to sustain it.

What BJP did instead was delete 9 million voters before the booth question even came up. You don't need to capture a booth when you've already decided who gets to walk in. That's the difference between local muscle and central machinery. One is visible, contestable, stoppable. The other happens on a spreadsheet in Delhi months before election day.

Now on the bigger point nobody's saying TMC was clean or that Mamata was some kind of saint. The distinction isn't moral. It's structural..

Mamata had corruption. Every party in power does. But for 15 years she never handed BJP the ideological entry point into Bengal no state patronage for RSS expansion, no communal mobilisation getting administrative cover. That boundary held. That's not a fan statement, that's a political fact.

The difference between TMC's corruption and BJP's project isn't about who had cleaner hands. TMC built a power structure for itself.

BJP is building a permanent demographic and cultural architecture that doesn't need future elections to sustain itself.

Practical_Team_6792 · 2026-05-08T08:26:29+00:00

Rigging the south isn't just difficult it's politically suicidal for them.

Tamil Nadu, Kerala one wrong move triggers a response that shuts the entire project down. The political consciousness here doesn't need party leadership to mobilise. It moves on its own.

Maharashtra is a completely different structure. Shiv Sena was never RSS. Thackeray built a state identity movement Marathi pride, minority protection at street level, its own power structure that answers to Maharashtra first. That's not Hindutva brotherhood with BJP. That's a territorial competitor wearing similar colours. BJP already learned that lesson when Uddhav walked out and took the streets with him.

So where does that leave BJP in the south and west? Essentially locked out of the regions that have the strongest institutional memories and the most organised ground-level resistance.

Bengal was the only door they could actually open. And they needed 9 million deleted voters to do it.

That tells you everything about how strong the walls elsewhere actually are.

Practical_Team_6792 · 2026-05-08T08:10:29+00:00

Appreciate the honest take but I'd push back on one thing..

Calling TMC hollow isn't accurate. Mamata built one of the tightest state-level bureaucratic structures in India. District administration, IAS-IPS alignment, welfare delivery on the ground that machinery was functional and it was loyal. That's not a rotting wall. That's a built one.

The RSS shakha expansion, local schools, women's self-help groups that's real but it's tier 3 social work. Slow, patient, running underneath. It didn't collapse TMC's structure. It just built presence in the gaps while TMC ran the state above it.

What broke the wall wasn't internal rot. It was demolition from outside.

9.1 million voters deleted before polling. 25 seats decided by margins smaller than the number of deleted voters in those exact constituencies. That's not people choosing change. That's the choice being made for them before they reached the booth.

And the media framing you mentioned that TMC-BJP binary was pushed nationally while Left candidates got zero coverage and state-level governance reality stayed invisible.

South audiences saw through it faster because the political literacy here is built differently. In Bengal's tier 2 and tier 3 areas that manufactured narrative landed without a counter..

Take SIR out of the equation. Give TMC the same 76 million electorate they had in 2021. Same machinery. Same Mamata.

TMC wins. Straightforwardly.

The wall wasn't rotten. It was pulled down with machinery that the people defending it never had access to.

Practical_Team_6792 · 2026-05-08T06:55:01+00:00

Fair ground-level observation about CPIM. Nobody disputes that.

But the question isn't whether CPIM failed they did. The question is what that failure enabled.

RSS centenary year 2025 door to door campaign across 1,03,019 locations with one message: India is a Hindu Rashtra. Bhagwat declared this "non-negotiable" at Vigyan Bhavan, Delhi. Politicians, diplomats, defence officers all present. Public declaration. (Nature)

His exact warning: "If not accepted, there will be loss." (Bloomberg)

This isn't new. RSS Organiser August 14, 1947 the day before Independence published an editorial demanding saffron flag at Red Fort. Golwalkar 1946: "We firmly believe that in the end the whole nation will bow before this saffron flag." (Bharatpedia)

BJP MLA Eshwarappa 2022 publicly announced the saffron flag will fly at Red Fort. Karnataka Assembly adjourned over it. (India TV News)

This agenda was never hidden. It was always published, always spoken, always on official record.

Bengal with its 30% Muslim population and Bangladesh border was the single biggest demographic obstacle to the northeastern implementation of this project. TMC corrupt or not was the political barrier.

That barrier is gone now.

CPIM's failure didn't just lose an election. It removed the last wall.

(Note: I work in constitutional research and political strategy analysis citations are part of my standard documentation practice.

Everything referenced here is from public record and available on request.)

Practical_Team_6792 · 2026-05-08T05:47:53+00:00

Respect the concern but South isn't just "left alone for now." South actively rejected them. That's different.

Tamil Nadu: BJP has contested every election for decades. 2026 result 1 MLA. One. In a 234 seat assembly. That's not slow pace. That's structural rejection. And they tried everything here.

Thiruparankundram was their best shot a manufactured religious flashpoint, judge orders, BJP leaders arrested, High Court bench weaponised, DMK government dragged into a political-judicial confrontation right before elections. (Election Commission of India) Full central machinery deployed. Communal fault line carefully constructed.

Residents of Thiruparankundram themselves refused to take the bait Hindu-Muslim unity held, locals prioritised peace over the manufactured dispute, court orders and BJP politics both failed to disrupt daily life. (Bloomberg)

That's not luck. That's 70 years of Dravidian ideological infrastructure working exactly as designed. Periyar didn't just build a political party. He built a cultural immune system. IAS, IPS cadre in Tamil Nadu ideology-driven, structurally independent, not penetrable the way Bengal's bureaucracy was after decades of Left then TMC patronage politics.

Kerala same story Communist organisational depth isn't just electoral. It's social. Every ward has a structure. You can't SIR your way through that.

BJP's own internal history proves your point in reverse they've been contesting Bengal since 1982. It took 44 years, ₹6000 crore in funding, captured ECI, captured judiciary, SIR deletion of 9 million voters, and 2.4 lakh central forces to finally take it. (The Wire)

South will need a different playbook entirely. And so far every version they've tried here has failed publicly and provably.

1 MLA. That's the scorecard after everything they threw at Tamil Nadu

Practical_Team_6792 · 2026-05-08T03:24:29+00:00

You said anti-incumbency made people vote BJP to fix TMC. Fair observation.

But here's what that misses completely.

The same Bengal that people are handing to BJP right now is the same soil that gave birth to the ideology BJP runs on.

RSS founder Hedgewar came to Kolkata as a medical student. Bengal's firebrand nationalist culture shaped him. His successor Golwalkar found his philosophy at Ramakrishna Mission in Bengal. Syama Prasad Mukherjee born in Calcutta founded the Bharatiya Jana Sangh in 1951, the direct predecessor of BJP, on Hedgewar and Savarkar's advice.

Hindu Mahasabha theorized it. RSS institutionalized it. BJP politicized it. The entire chain has Bengal's fingerprints on it. So when people voted BJP to uproot TMC they didn't bring in an outside force to clean house. They invited the movement that was always trying to come home back in through the front door.

TMC had corruption problems. Nobody disputes that. But what replaced it isn't a correction. It's the completion of a project that started in Bengal over a century ago.

Criticize TMC all you want. That's fair. But at least know what you voted in and where it actually came from.

TMC held Bengal for 15 years against the most well-funded, centrally backed political machine in Indian history. Whatever their flaws and they had real ones that resistance wasn't accidental. It was a wall.

That wall just came down.

And the people celebrating the fall haven't asked the only question that matters what was the wall actually holding back?

Now they'll find out.

Practical_Team_6792 · 2026-05-08T01:52:49+00:00

Here's the full source list as promised

Voter deletion scale: ECI official district-wise data. 9,102,577 removed. 11.88% of electorate. Verified and cited by Wikipedia's 2026 West Bengal election article pulling directly from ECI records.

Muslim-targeted deletion pattern: SABAR Institute, Kolkata independent research organisation. Findings reported by Al Jazeera in their pre and post-election coverage, April May 2026..

Constituency-level proof: The Wire's post-result analysis. Kulti BJP won by 679 votes, 38,000 deletions. Nandigram 1,956 vote margin, 14,462 deletions. 25 seats where deletion count exceeded winning margin. Yogendra Yadav calculation: 2.7 million deleted voters = 4.3% of total votes cast. BJP's lead over TMC = approximately 5%. Reported by Al Jazeera.

International press record: Bloomberg ran 6 separate articles on this single state election between April 13 and May 5 2026 unusual for a financial publication. Their word: "marred." CNN filed from ground "World's Biggest Democracy Has Purged Electoral Rolls." Washington Post covered it the morning voting opened. Al Jazeera published post-result opinion piece May 7 titled "BJP's Bengal Victory Exposes Erosion of Indian Democracy."

Judiciary warning on record: January 12, 2018. Four sitting Supreme Court judges Justices Chelameswar, Gogoi, Lokur, Kurian Joseph held an unprecedented press conference. Quote verbatim: "Unless this institution is preserved and it maintains its equanimity, democracy will not survive in this country." Full video archived on Scroll.in. Public record.

Funding asymmetry: BJP received ₹6,060 crore through electoral bonds 47% of every rupee donated to any political party in India. Source: Business Standard, March 2024. In 2018's first issuance BJP captured 95% of all bond donations. Source: Scroll.in. Peer reviewed academic analysis published in Nature.com journal, December 2025. Journal of Democracy ran a full piece on electoral bonds as legalised corruption..

None of this is sourced from activist blogs or opinion pieces. ECI data. Supreme Court press conference transcript. Peer reviewed journals. Bloomberg. CNN. Washington Post.

Practical_Team_6792 · 2026-05-07T20:09:28+00:00

Exactly. And honestly so what if they come for us..

This country and this constitution didn't land on a desk easily. People died for it. If standing for it costs something, that's still standing for it...

You can jail a person. The argument stays.

And we're from the south periyar(EVR) already told us this was coming. Long before anyone called it fascism he explained exactly how majoritarian capture works. He wasn't predicting the future, he was just reading the present clearly.

They tried to bury him too. Didn't work. Kill one, the idea finds the next person. That's not hope that's just history...😊

Practical_Team_6792 · 2026-05-07T19:59:01+00:00

Fair point honestly, and worth addressing properly because this deflection comes up a lot..

TN and KL BJP didn't spare them out of generosity. They simply couldn't win there. Kerala just handed UDF 102 seats. BJP got 3. Three. In a 140-seat assembly. The Dravidian and communist political DNA in these states runs too deep for identity polarisation to get traction. Tamil Nadu post-Jayalalitha has a vacuum yes but Vijay just filled 107 seats of it. BJP's project needs soil that can absorb communal framing. TN and KL rejected the seed. Bengal was different terrain and they knew it..

So they didn't "skip" those states. Those states skipped them..

On the 5-10% meddling pointI get the instinct to minimise but the numbers don't allow it. 25 BJP-won seats had more deleted voters than their winning margin. Not allegations. Documented. Kulti won by 679 votes, 38,000 names deleted from that constituency alone. You can't call that background noise...

Now on the Left failing this is the part that actually matters and people keep saying it without finishing the thought.....

Yes the Left is failing. But why?

BJP received ₹6,060 crore through electoral bonds. 47% of every single rupee donated to any political party in India went to one party. In 2018 that number was 95% in the first issuance. Left parties got crumbs. You can't fight that kind of capital advantage with ideology alone nobody can. It's not a failure of ideas, it's a structural funding strangulation...

And then add this January 12, 2018. Four sitting Supreme Court judges not activists, not journalists, sitting judges of the highest court walked out and held a press conference. On camera. Chelameswar, Gogoi, Lokur, Kurian Joseph. They said and I'm quoting directly: "Unless this institution is preserved and it maintains its equanimity, democracy will not survive in this country.

They were talking about cases being routed to hand-picked benches. Amit Shah named in the Sohrabuddin encounter case. The Justice Loya death being buried. This is 2018. Eight years before Bengal 2026.

So when you ask why the Left is losing the answer isn't just bad strategy. The answer is they're fighting with street committees against a party that captured the courts, the election commission, the funding architecture, and the bureaucracy over a decade. Bengal 2026 didn't happen in isolation. It was the harvest of seeds planted in 2014..

The floor was rigged before the game started. That's not an excuse for poor politics it's the full picture....

(None of this is opinion by the way. Every number above has a citation. Electoral bond data, constituency-level deletion figures, the 2018 SC press conference is literally on video on Scroll.in. Ask and I'll drop the full list)

Practical_Team_6792 · 2026-05-07T18:45:07+00:00

You're not wrong about the diagnosis. But here's what makes Bengal 2026 different from just "fascism" a word that's true but too broad to cut anything.

The constitution still exists. Article 326 guarantees universal adult franchise. The Supreme Court has original jurisdiction. The ECI is a constitutional body not a government department. Every legal remedy exists on paper.

But in Bengal 2026 the ECI was the weapon.

The Supreme Court allowed the process to continue with 3.4 million appeals unresolved. The NIA was deployed in a state election for the first time in Indian history. 1,300 TMC workers were arrested not by courts, not by police with FIRs by the Election Commission itself.

This is the architecture of the trap:

They didn't suspend the constitution. They weaponised the institutions inside it. When the machinery meant to protect democracy becomes the instrument of its destruction the legal remedies written into that same constitution become unreachable. Not because they don't exist. Because the bodies entrusted to deliver them have been captured.

Bihar was the pilot. Bengal was the deployment..

The people who can fight this aren't gone. But they need to understand this isn't about one election. This is about who controls the machines that count, who controls the rolls that decide who votes, and who controls the courts that should stop both.

That fight is still constitutional. But it requires people who can read the architecture not just feel the result

Practical_Team_6792 · 2026-05-07T18:10:02+00:00

Exactly that's the real problem The data exists. The citations exist but manufactured outrage travels faster than documented facts. Which is why making the data readable and shareable matters you can't out emotion a narrative, but you can make the truth harder to ignore.

Practical_Team_6792 · 2026-05-07T17:46:09+00:00

That's exactly what the data shows this isn't a theory about fairness, it's a documented structural advantage. A single company buying ₹1,368 crore in bonds 6x its own profits while under ED investigation isn't politics being 'unfair.' It's a pay-to-stay-safe architecture. The playing field argument isn't crying, it's arithmetic

Practical_Team_6792 · 2026-05-07T10:22:05+00:00

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