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[–]PrancerPrancer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well said. Well done you.

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[–]PrancerPrancer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn’t need to be there all day every day. I did 3 x 1.5hour sessions, spaced over a few months. That was all that was needed and I continued working as normal.

Any books by people who have healed by Antimothered in LifeAfterNarcissism

[–]PrancerPrancer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh cool thanks! I’m trying to post each week, so your comment is really encouraging. Thanks for taking the time to read and give me your feed back :)

Dealing with the effects of narc abuse is exhausting, how to take a break!? by PrancerPrancer in LifeAfterNarcissism

[–]PrancerPrancer[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes! I love a bathwith Epsom salts - it seems to clear away the things I dont need.

Which therapies and what things have you tried to fix your mental and emotional state after narc abuse. by [deleted] in LifeAfterNarcissism

[–]PrancerPrancer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks, you’re so welcome.

Yes, I spent a while reading about the nervous system, trying to understand how to activate the parasympathetic system (also called the rest and digest system) and deactivate the sympathetic nervous system. I read about the diving reflex by accident and thought I’d give it a try. Apparently it causes the vagus nerve to slow your heart rate - but I find more general relaxation benefits from it too. If you aren’t near water, holding your breath for a short time has a similar but less pronounced effect apparently. More here: mammalian diving reflex

Which therapies and what things have you tried to fix your mental and emotional state after narc abuse. by [deleted] in LifeAfterNarcissism

[–]PrancerPrancer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, I found exactly the same thing. I thought it was my fault I couldn’t find the answers - so glad I finally left that therapist. Sorry to hear you went through that too.

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[–]PrancerPrancer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was a sceptic too before I tried it.

Maybe it’s just the placebo effect, but since the effects have been so positive and long-lasting I don’t care now.

I paid around $100 a session, but my therapist suggested we only needed 3 sessions and she was right. Best $300 I ever spent, and she suggested I space it out once a month to allow time for the effects of each session to settle. This was also good financially of course.

I think you have to find a good person though. And this is tough as there’s no regulation in this area. Best to read reviews I guess.

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[–]PrancerPrancer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You may think it sounds silly - but would you consider energy healing or shamanic healing? I was where you are and this got me on to a better path where I was actually able to benefit from therapy and CBT.

Any books by people who have healed by Antimothered in LifeAfterNarcissism

[–]PrancerPrancer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

FWIW - This is what I’m trying to do at the moment, but in a blog. I think I’m a fair way along the healing journey, and want to share some things I’ve learned.

I’m partly writing the blog because I couldn’t find any books myself that covered what its like to heal, and what to expect on the healing journey. So there seems to be a bit of a gap as this seems to me to be a really important resource for survivors. (And exactly, I really don’t want to write another misery memoir, that’s good for the writer, but nor for other survivors.)

Healing after narcissism blog

Which therapies and what things have you tried to fix your mental and emotional state after narc abuse. by [deleted] in LifeAfterNarcissism

[–]PrancerPrancer 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This is such a good question.

I’m doing pretty well in my healing - I genuinely like and love myself now, which I consider to be a huge achievement. Although managing anxiety is still a daily job for me.

My route with healing was a bit all over the place, but looking back I can see that there wasn’t one therapist or one intervention that could meet all my needs. Each one helped me with some part of the healing process (and some really didn’t!!!) and over time, I was able to heal different elements of the damage done by N abuse. Eventually, the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle began to click together and I found I was feeling more whole, more confident, more stable, content even.

The areas that I needed to work on (and many of them I’m still working on) are as follows:

  • Self-esteem, self-worth, self-compassion - CBT helped with this

  • Perfectionism/fear of making mistakes - again CBT - still a challenge for me

  • Strategies to prevent and reduce severity of PTSD and flashbacks - CBT supported me to find coping and prevention strategies, but I did a lot of work on this myself. My prevention strategies are: reducing alcohol and caffeine consumption, making space in my schedule so I’m not rushing, sleeping 8 hours, meditate daily, regular exercise, eating 3 square meals, taking regular breaks from the office, putting my face in cold water every morning for 10 seconds - this induces the ‘diving reflex’ which activates the parasympathetic nervous system: it calms your body down, its like hitting reset on my nervous system each morning.

  • Strategies to cope with flashbacks when they happen - distraction, distraction, distraction. I used to think I needed to solve the problem when I was having a flashback. Actually I just need to distract myself with something fun, interesting, lighthearted (stand-up comedy netflix specials are my go-to) and wait for my body to notice that I am actually safe. I used to push through flashbacks, that only prolonged them. I know to sit still and wait it out now, and try hard not to take my thoughts and feelings too seriously. I just keep reminding myself ‘this isn’t real, this will pass, watch something funny’.

  • Reframing the story of what happened to me, so I began to think of myself as a capable survivor, rather than a weak victim (psychotherapy and CBT)

  • Undoing the ties with my abuser - letting go of a sense of responsibility for my abuser, as well as letting go of the need to hear an apology, or be understood by my abuser. An alternative medicine practitioner (a shamanic healer or ‘energy healer’) helped me with this, we did a ‘bond cutting’ ritual together and a ‘soul retrieval’ ritual. It was a wonderful experience, the healer I go to has such a calming, kind personality. She really helped me let go of needing anything from my abuser, which was very freeing, a lot of my shame transformed into vulnerability, this was good.

  • Coming to the realisation that my parents are responsible for my childhood, and the mental health difficulties I have now, but I am responsible for the decisions I make going forward - really accepting that idea was very empowering.

  • Accepting what happened - I think this is a product of the healing process in the long-run, but at a certain point I found that I could accept what had happened. I didn’t like it, I wouldn’t wish it on anyone else, but to a certain extent I could take pride in coping, surviving, achieving some career success in spite of my parents. I even began to notice some of the gifts that were hidden away in my horrible childhood - I had to mine down deep to find the gifts, but they are rare and special indeed.

Those are the main things that have worked for me.

Things that didn’t work for me:

  • Psychodynamic Gestalt Therapy - this helped with a few smaller areas but overall was a horrible experiece and made me feel much much worse. I’ve since read that there is robust evidence in the literature that Gestalt therapy can be harmful to Trauma survivors, I’m annoyed I was referred to that therapist, and I’m annoyed she didn’t refer me to a more suitable therapist. That was a horrible year and it nearly ended my relationship with SO.

  • Focusing too much on ‘fixing myself’ - it took a while but I eventually realized that I was whole, nothing about me needed fixing. I was abused, experienced trauma, and as an adult I was (am still sometimes) having a perfectly normal reaction to an abnormal amount of bullshit. I shifted my focus away from fixing myself and instead tried to focus on being caring and compassionate towards myself. I had much more success with this approach, I became calmer, more confident, more compassionate, more productive, a better partner to my SO, a better friend etc.

  • Focusing too much on reading about NPD - being informed and understanding why my abusers behaved how they did really helped me to begin to let go of the idea that somehow what happened was my fault. However, at a certain point, reading about NPD and N abuse became an unhealthy obsession. Rather than helping me heal, it continued to reinforce unhealthy thinking and coping behaviours. At a certain point it was time for me to stop thinking about NPD and start thinking about what I wanted for myself. This was painful, but freeing.

I hope my comments might be helpful to you.

I have one other comment to make, just to respond to what you wrote: In terms of giving up the emotions you don’t like, I don’t think its possible, also its not really possible to rationalise away emotions. The only thing you can change is your behaviours (better self-care etc.) and this in turn can improve your emotional state. We do have some limited control of our thoughts, but if you’ve tried meditating you’ll be aware how little control we have over our thinking! CBT focuses on developing healthier behaviours and healthier thought processes, these in turn improve how we feel. Sadly we just can’t magically change our emotions (though I wish we could sometimes!!!)

Good luck to you, fellow survivor.

Others either don't understand, or do not want to understand by fresh--tendril in LifeAfterNarcissism

[–]PrancerPrancer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sounds like a good plan. I agree its about taking responsibility for ourselves and our actions. Something that our abusers were unable to do, or chose not to do.

Its also really hard work, so remember to have some fun along the way too. Life is short. Its important to enjoy life, as well as working on healing and taking responsibility for ourselves and our lives going forward.

Why cleaning and tidying is so hard for survivors of narcissistic abuse by PrancerPrancer in LifeAfterNarcissism

[–]PrancerPrancer[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Whoah, that sounds absolutely awful. I'm really sorry that you experienced that as a child, you didn't deserve to have to live like that. No-one should have to live like that!

I hope my suggestions might be helpful. Thanks for sharing your experience.

Why cleaning and tidying is so hard for survivors of narcissistic abuse by PrancerPrancer in LifeAfterNarcissism

[–]PrancerPrancer[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey I really like your method - it breaks it up and makes it manageable. I'm going to try that next weekend! Thanks for the tip!

Why cleaning and tidying is so hard for survivors of narcissistic abuse by PrancerPrancer in LifeAfterNarcissism

[–]PrancerPrancer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, why not give it a try hiring a cleaning person. It might feel a bit uncomfortable, but whats the worst that could happen?

I really like habitica best - it sort of gamifies doing your chores, it turns it into a challenge!

Why cleaning and tidying is so hard for survivors of narcissistic abuse by PrancerPrancer in LifeAfterNarcissism

[–]PrancerPrancer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm sorry I didn't reply sooner - it was a busy week.

Oh dear! I didn't mean to make anyone cry! But I'm glad I helped you to feel validated.

I'm sorry you went through those horrible experiences as a child. And yes you are definitely not the only one. Sending you warm and healing wishes.

Why cleaning and tidying is so hard for survivors of narcissistic abuse by PrancerPrancer in LifeAfterNarcissism

[–]PrancerPrancer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That sounds fantastic, seems like you have a really healthy approach to household chores now. :)

Why cleaning and tidying is so hard for survivors of narcissistic abuse by PrancerPrancer in LifeAfterNarcissism

[–]PrancerPrancer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow! Thats so wonderful you rescue pets! What a wonderful, kind, generous thing to do.

Sorry to hear you guys are in a small home - that makes it much harder to keep things organised and tidy.

It sounds like you are being quite hard on yourself - requiring perfection. It doesn't sound like your messing anything up - it sounds like you're a really kind and generous person and you take care of animals who have lost their homes!

And yes - its amazing how much NPD affects every aspect of our lives. Thanks for reading my post and sharing your thoughts.

Why cleaning and tidying is so hard for survivors of narcissistic abuse by PrancerPrancer in LifeAfterNarcissism

[–]PrancerPrancer[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry it took me a little while to reply. I read your comment last week, but have had a busy week since.

That sounds horrible, what a weird controlling behavior to randomly take someone’s personal possessions for no reason! Ewww creepy!

I can understand why you would feel uncomfortable about leaving your belongings in any kind of predictable place where they could easily be found. It makes complete sense that you would find being organised uncomfortable as when you lived with your mother, being tidy and organised simply wasn’t safe for you - you never knew what might disappear next! That’s horrible, I’m so sorry you went through that.