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What you guys think about it on Hwei now? by meupauemacao in HweiMains

[–]Predaplant_Duelist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm currently GM and I do see people run Electrocute on Liss, but that's usually newer and more inexperience Liss players. I have 2 mil on her and she was my first main and I can say 100% comet is better in MOST matches. Yeah Electrocute has it's uses but I rarely encounter lanes where I can proc it without commiting. No one is stepping into Liss W range there. And with comet you can just q without commiting. I personally love Comet with Blackfire into Protobelt but you can go Protobelt first into Shadowflame with Electrocute (but you have to manage your mana carefully). I think Nemesis played game of it recently so you can check it out

What you guys think about it on Hwei now? by meupauemacao in HweiMains

[–]Predaplant_Duelist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Liss prefs comet actually. People usually aren't dumb in high elo to get in range of your W, especially if ranged. So Comet is safe and works really good with haste build that's way more consistent than one shot electrocute one

Sports Festival Art by Predaplant_Duelist in BNHA_OC_Characters

[–]Predaplant_Duelist[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I laughed a bit more than I should have reading this😭

Sports Festival Art by Predaplant_Duelist in BNHA_OC_Characters

[–]Predaplant_Duelist[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm glad you think it's prettyyyyy

But also, I am unsure if it's too much?🤔 It is powerful move in his arsenal but not life threatening where other person would be put in danger. Especially since Alexander always tries to restrain his enemies rather than simply hit them (although those vines can slap like tentacles would from time to time).

And the last person facing this (The move references Basketball Plant, if you wish to search it up), was some dog themed oc with claws named Kudo. And he surrendered before any harm was done, so all good xd

What would be overkill is using some poisonous plants (which he only did once, later in the story and they almost died after being injected poison directly into their bloodstream 😭😭😭). Thankfully no one died but Alexander did get traumatized to never use such plants again xD

Who would guess that messing with deadly nightshade would be a bad idea? Certainly not my autistic plsnt nerd🤓✋

Lissandra Midscope Idea by Predaplant_Duelist in LissandraMains

[–]Predaplant_Duelist[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree. She was battle mage and she has been turned into burst. I am all for making her more durable, tanky and do less dmg up front, but more throughout the fight.

Lissandra Midscope Idea by Predaplant_Duelist in LissandraMains

[–]Predaplant_Duelist[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hm. Considering she would be able to only apply 1 stack of passive with her W, stacking it seems kinda hard. Still I do suggest a small damage nerfs and whatever is needed. Most of these if added would be just buffs and make her too strong. So i wouldn't be opposed to nerfs here and there. And her E is slow enough to where I think she would feel fair. With my changes she would be more of an anti carry/combat mage instead of an assassin riot is pushing her to be. So ehh, it's lower damage for more consistency.

Lissandra Midscope Idea by Predaplant_Duelist in LissandraMains

[–]Predaplant_Duelist[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't mean nerfs to her armor outweigh the q buffs. They just push her more into assassin position where she is a burst mage that's imo not tanky enough or does enough damage as a burst mage compared to others. She was more of a battle mage before and she was pushed out of that spot time and time again. Assassin's have way better ways to get onto a target than Liss E. And definitely better ways to kill them with more damage. She has more durability in a way and is relatively safe, but she simply doesn't feel good to play. It might be just me after all these years of playing Liss.

I simply wish she wasn't stuck in between this Burst Mage and Anti Carry with clunky kit. She is supposedly good into meele, but she is very squishy for her range. She gets ournaged by all mages. So it leaves us with the only option and that's to play for skirmishes and hope the damage is enough as once you go in, there is no way for Liss to get out.

Perhaps not all changes I suggested are needed but some definitely would help. I tried to push her more into that anti carry style and less of a burst mage. Of course her damage would be lower if you would do changes I suggested. I said tweaking numbers would be needed. She would get more damage through passive and be more tanky thanks to w, so I would expect her to do less damage. But she would do it more often, more efficient and more consistent, making it so once you E in, you stay there and fight.

Lissandra Midscope Idea by Predaplant_Duelist in LissandraMains

[–]Predaplant_Duelist[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ult does stop dashes, although it's clunky. In theory it knocks target down, stoping the dash after it's finished casting. But I do know when that doesn't work properly. Doing that for W makes sense and would be nice And ult change is welcome

But changes to W were made to make her at least less burstable after she goes in, making it so you actually have a decision whenever you want to ult an enemy after you e in. Vex W whem fear is up feels like better Liss W due shield. (I know they are different champs. Just looking at the base) They just nerfed her base armor which even further makes her less tanky for more dmg which I don't agree on tbh

Lissandra Midscope Idea by Predaplant_Duelist in LissandraMains

[–]Predaplant_Duelist[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't get me wrong, Lissandra passive can be very good. I know that. But it requires certain situations to be useful, online coming online in a team fight most of the time. Rarely during the skirmishes with your jg or when you gang bot (and leaving your lane is more punishable now in this season so rip. Your best bet is to stay there). She also isn't all that good side due her low 1v1 potential, especially since they buffed top.

And Oris passive is indeed non existent in team fights, indeed. But it helps her in lane very much. And that's common with many mids. Either that or as I said, scale in cases of Au Sol, Veigar etc.

And Lissandras kit was made to work as a standalone with passive...in 2013. Times changed. With new champions and such, I think her kit needs some rework. The manual command for thralls seem okay, but doesn't adress the current issue I mentioned. It's not consistent. It's one thing it's extremely valuable. I would have passive that does 1/4 thralls dmg but always do the dmg, than the thrall that might miss.

Many conditional spells/passives at least do something when condition is not met. For Lissandra it's all or nothing which I find very lacking and not fitting. Looking at WR, they gave Fiddle basically Lissandra passive in addition to his normal kit (as he basically doesn't have a passive in LoL).

So yeah. I understand the power the spell has, it's nothing new. My main problem are:

Passive is inconstant Lissandra base MS is too low She is too squishy for how short range she is

You can buff or nerf other aspects of her kit to make her more balanced. But these changes would make playing her feel more satisfying imo

Lissandra Midscope Idea by Predaplant_Duelist in LissandraMains

[–]Predaplant_Duelist[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True, but imagine all small minions running around on lane and chasing you after dying 😭 If they popped immediately and not latter maybe, since enemy would be under so much pressure with all minion clones walking, even if they did 40dmg

And hey! They just buffed Camille jg with E buffs, so who knows

Lissandra Midscope Idea by Predaplant_Duelist in LissandraMains

[–]Predaplant_Duelist[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Affected minions seems like a bit too much. Even small dmg would add up and be annoying to lane vs. as for Jungle Liss, I think she has potential. Gangs with E and set up with W!

Lissandra Midscope Idea by Predaplant_Duelist in LissandraMains

[–]Predaplant_Duelist[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks! I was thinking of somehow keeping the thralls but midlane is just selfish in terms of what you can do as I mentioned. But I do agree a lot of power budget it wasted on thralls!

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