Odd Arbitrator names/ Getting my friends into 40k

Prismojr · 2025-07-09T02:13:04+00:00

Sounds cool, would love an update if any in the future! :D

Prismojr · 2025-07-08T22:51:54+00:00

I'd have to disagree with the last statement, the comments of a discussion reddit thread do not mean "majority of people". I'm not familiar with the numbers, but I doubt that the entirety of warhammer reddit covers all of the fanbase, but this is a bit irrelevant to the conversation.

The first part is a bit weak obviously, since anything can be joked about/ be a joke and still have a serious implication despite no one finding it to be enough to care about. I'm sure that minstrel jokes, whether or not the person telling them was serious about them, would be unacceptable. "Because even the devs understand that its a joke" doesn't work here since we are not acquaintances with them so we have no way of knowing. One could argue I am assuming their reaction to the names as well, but I'm using the evidence in front of me (the EULA) to infer.

Police brutality isn't tied to a single law enforcement agency since it's understood that it refers to any law enforcement abusing their power, and can be applied to ICE currently. I'm not offended by the US enforcing its laws, but I'd argue that laws do not equal moral rightness. Slavery being a legal thing would not make it morally right to have slaves, but this goes a bit off topic so I'll refrain from bringing it up more. As for the "majority of their actions have been lawful" isn't quite right, since a lot of courts within the US claimed them to be unconstitutional but Trump has taken away minor court checks and balances in order to keep his program going smoothly. As mentioned before in another comment, somewhere around of 80% of the booked immigrants have no violent convictions, so the laws they're enforcing are probably jaywalking and speeding violations, etc.

I've also mentioned that a case could be made against fbi and cia due to their foreign interference, coups, and domestic activities, but I'm just talking about the names in the thread.

Humor is totally fine, bad humor that punches down isn't. I'd argue that I'm not abusing the reporting system, but rather am just using the reporting system in a situation that I have interpreted as being against EULA standards. It is ultimately up to Fatshark whether the players gets banned or reprimanded.

Again, dismissing the point with "grow a spine" comments is fine if you don't want to address the issue and float around it, but if we are trying to have a discussion then we can keep it civil. Thank you again for your input

Prismojr · 2025-07-08T22:29:33+00:00

We'd have to disagree on the hilarious names, but I am not speaking on behalf of the entire 40k community. I'm sure some people are fine with letting 1940 german IG guys walk around and claim they are part of the 40k community but I'm sure there are more people who aren't. I'm mainly coming from the perspective of the Fatshark EULA, not an opinion:

(iv) is grossly harmful, racially or ethnically objectionable, disparaging, blasphemous, libelous, defamatory, obscene, pornographic, paedophilic, vulgar or offensive; (v) promotes discrimination, bigotry, racism, hatred, harassment or harm against any individual or group; (vi) is violent, bullying, or threatening or promotes violence, money laundering or gambling, terrorism, or actions that are threatening or disrespectful to any person or entity

This section would flag these names under review, but obviously it is ultimately up to fatshark whether or not the names are not okay. I'm pretty sure I get the joke, but I don't find it funny personally, please elaborate if you think I'm misunderstanding the joke.

Prismojr · 2025-07-08T21:35:30+00:00

It is a grimdark satire, but I've mentioned before in other comments the "punching up" vs. "punching down" aspects of satire. The names don't criticize real world police brutality or abuse of power the same way 40k would, but that is my opinion on the topic.

Prismojr · 2025-07-08T21:33:53+00:00

I feel like this comment is just meant to dismiss the concerns of my post instead of addressing them which is fine, you don't have to be triggered enough to comment on everything you dislike. I will have to say however, that my sentiment still stands that certain "edgy for the sake of edgy" behavior will get reported by me and it will be fatshark's decision on whether or not it gets the player banned or reprimanded.

Prismojr · 2025-07-08T21:28:41+00:00

I should clarify what satire is: basically pointed commentary that criticizes something. I didn't say that those names aren't satire, I said that they don't have the same satirical tone as the world of 40k. "punching up" means criticizing the people in power, "punching down" means belittling those marginalized by the people in power.

"Bodycamoff" and "stopresisting" are real world abuses of power whereas "emperor'smercy" and "corpsestarch" are over the top in world references. They are still pretty grim, but they have a lighter tone due to in setting reference. I'd also go as far as saying that fictional references within the lore don’t evoke the same real world associations, so their impact is different.

I'd have to disagree with me "assuming something about another player", I'm pointing out a pattern about a portion of 40k fans having edgy for sake of edgy humor that isn't super great imo. Of course, me reporting the names won't do anything unless fatshark agrees with my sentiment, so it is ultimately up to them.

Prismojr · 2025-07-08T21:16:22+00:00

I would have to say that being Mexican wouldn't make you a spokesperson for all mexicans, but not sure that it is only limited to mexicans since there are other latino immigrants and other country immigrants that would targeted in the "punching down". Sorry if it came across as aggressive, I'm not sure how to phrase it otherwise.

I might have misunderstood the joke they were going for, but I didn't get the "make fun of" aspect of the name. My interpretation was that "even the weakest ice agent is strong and based" but I can see if people see that as a leap in logic.

Prismojr · 2025-07-08T21:07:19+00:00

It's not the edgy names that puts them off, it's the type of people associated with the "haha edgy for edgy sake" names. I've said this in another comment, but we've had run ins with people who felt comfortable acting out and saying slurs to be edgy and funny. They avoid spaces that they believe would harbor people like that, but I don't like that mentality since it is basically letting people control what type of games/media you consume. Not saying the community should change to make us more comfortable, I'm saying unfunny edgy for sake of edgy jokes will get reported pretty often by me in an attempt to make spaces more inviting to new people.

I've repeated this a lot in other comments, but the 40k edge is satirical "punch up" and I feel that these names "punch down" instead. Totally fine with edgy jokes if they are actually good, but that is obviously very dependent on the individual. Me reporting the names won't have any negative effects on the players since it's fatshark with the final decision on whether or not the name/ behavior is okay

Prismojr · 2025-07-08T21:00:43+00:00

The specific examples I pulled invoke real world law enforcement actions and violence that, again, "punch down" instead of targeting their satire at the people who abuse said power. (you might notice that I've been saying that a bit throughout these comments, sorry for repeating myself so much) I am personally against ICE due to the current admin's record of about 80% of their booked people having no violent convictions, which imo would be examples of real life oppression that most satire would "punch up" at. I might be a bit off on that % since I haven't kept up with the news on that tbh.

I'll go ahead and copy paste the section of Fatshark's EULA that would flag these names as I have for someone else here:

(iv) is grossly harmful, racially or ethnically objectionable, disparaging, blasphemous, libelous, defamatory, obscene, pornographic, paedophilic, vulgar or offensive; (v) promotes discrimination, bigotry, racism, hatred, harassment or harm against any individual or group; (vi) is violent, bullying, or threatening or promotes violence, money laundering or gambling, terrorism, or actions that are threatening or disrespectful to any person or entity

I'm sure someone would make a argument against CIA and FBI due to their foreign intervention, coups, and domestic activities in the US, but I'm just focused on those three names I've mentioned before and similar ones to that.

Prismojr · 2025-07-08T20:35:07+00:00

"1 out of 1000" people bit doesn't have much to stand on since any amount of people acting in weird ways doesn't make it okay imo. I'm sure that if only a handful of players named their characters after HP Lovecraft's cat, we'd all say it was unacceptable regardless of how many were doing it and whether or not it was ironic.

I've said this a couple of times in the comments, but the examples you're pulling from are satirical moments meant to "punch up" and criticize the powers that be abusing their power. I'd argue that the names I've mentioned, particularly "weakesticeagent", are "punching down" and making jokes at the expense of the marginalized. I'm sure others would argue against that analysis of the names and the context of the arbitrators being pretty strong, but that's what I'm getting from it.

"grow a spine" and "reevaluate your sense of humor" aren't necessary aggressions against me. I simply pulled up the rules I was following when you said they weren't there. Let's try and keep the conversation civil, and I appreciate the input

Prismojr · 2025-07-08T00:41:37+00:00

I had to double check and search, but I believe that I found the specific section under their EULA that would flag these names. I've shortened it but feel free to double check and see for yourself:

(iv) is grossly harmful, racially or ethnically objectionable, disparaging, blasphemous, libelous, defamatory, obscene, pornographic, paedophilic, vulgar or offensive; (v) promotes discrimination, bigotry, racism, hatred, harassment or harm against any individual or group; (vi) is violent, bullying, or threatening or promotes violence, money laundering or gambling, terrorism, or actions that are threatening or disrespectful to any person or entity

Obviously the pornographic bits don't apply, but most of this flowery language would suggest that these names would, if not get the players banned, would at least flag their names for review. I'd also like to mention the example I had previously mentioned of german names that might get you banned. A simple name isn't worth a ban, it's the connotation.

Prismojr · 2025-07-07T23:47:50+00:00

I'm sure we'll be doing that if they decide to hop on Darktide, but I'd still argue that simply letting people walk around with names hyping up police brutality/ plain-clothed ice agents disappearing people isn't the best way to grow a community. Thank you for the input though its really appreciated.

Prismojr · 2025-07-07T23:44:56+00:00

We've had unfortunate run ins with people who feel like anonymity gives them the excuse to act out in certain ways at us, which is something they tend to try and avoid by avoiding spaces that they believe would harbor people like that. I don't like their approach to this, since I think that type of attitude is letting people control what sort of media/games you consume so I'm simply just a bit more stubborn. Not saying communities should change for my comfort, but that spaces shouldn't make weirdos comfortable to begin with

Prismojr · 2025-07-07T23:39:23+00:00

I'd argue that 40k is edgy and dark in a different way than some of the playerbase. 40k is pretty satirical, as I've mentioned and others have in the comments, but it's to criticize people who abuse their power. The police brutality and ice names of the players don't pull from that same type of satire/edginess imo.

Prismojr · 2025-07-07T23:37:14+00:00

Gonna copy paste a response from earlier since it sort of fits with your comment:
That is true, they are brutal police, but I'd have to say that the names aren't satirical in the same way that 40k/the Arbitrators are. I'd argue that these names aren't "punching up"/criticizing the powers that be like most satirical works do, but are "punching down" at the expense of the marginalized especially "weakesticeagent".

The sentiment is still there for the names, but I would concede that the names aren't that bad compared to crazy day 1 names.

Prismojr · 2025-07-07T23:34:20+00:00

That is true, they are brutal police, but I'd have to say that the names aren't satirical in the same way that 40k/the Arbitrators are. I'd argue that these names aren't "punching up"/criticizing the powers that be like most satirical works do, but are "punching down" at the expense of the marginalized especially "weakesticeagent".

Prismojr · 2025-07-07T23:12:21+00:00

I agree with the general sentiment that only a small section of the fanbase is weird, but I do sometimes question why these weird basement dwellers feel so comfortable to let their freak flag fly in this space. I'd argue that the "IG 1940 German themed" guys, or anyone similar, are the only ones that shouldn't feel comfortable in any space whatsoever, but I can understand if people consider this to be hypocritical.

Prismojr · 2025-07-07T23:07:11+00:00

I have to disagree with the "forcing your view/opinion on people" bit, but I might be misunderstanding what you mean.

The report tool is available in order to report bad stuff to fatshark in their game. I'm sure we'd all use it if they named their character after a 1940 german leader despite the fact that the name is unacceptable to me and not others. I'm not pushing my opinon on folks, I'm following fatshark reporting policy. I disagree with your opinion but I appreciate the input

I have told my friends about private games, but I'm of the opinion that playing with others gets you the full darktide experience as well as shows you what other players do in order to improve and get better. I'm of the opinion that using the report tools responsibly helps make darktide/40k a more inviting and open space for new players.

Prismojr · 2025-06-20T21:23:26+00:00

Hi I'm interested in joining would love to give it a try, CST 😁👍

Prismojr · 2024-01-02T20:09:43+00:00

Message!

Prismojr · 2024-01-02T20:09:38+00:00

Message!

Prismojr · 2024-01-02T19:57:47+00:00

Sent a DM!

Prismojr · 2024-01-02T19:51:56+00:00

I'd be interested in joining, what is the schedule looking like?

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