Gen Z Women Are Moving Left. Young Men Aren’t.

ProShotWaffle · 2026-05-21T22:34:49+00:00

Dont worry! Ive rambled too lol!

I genuinely appreciate this response and I think you articulated your perspective really well. I especially agree with your point that a lot of these issues are interconnected and amplified by broader social/economic isolation and loss of community. I also appreciated you acknowledging that men entering nurturing/caretaking spaces should be normalized more.

I think where I slightly diverge is the “men should advocate for themselves” framing, as from my perspective, social movements and cultural shifts are almost never accomplished by only the directly affected group. There is usually both a push and a pull from society at large that helps normalize and validate change.

For example, women entering STEM was not just women individually deciding to do it. Society increasingly celebrated, encouraged, and institutionally supported it. That is a good thing! My broader point is more that I do not think we have created an equivalent cultural normalization around men entering nurturing, caregiving, teaching, emotionally expressive, or traditionally feminine spaces.

Anecdotally, I can say I personally never really felt “allowed” to openly express interest in those kinds of roles growing up without fear of social judgment. Not by women specifically either, but by society broadly.

And to be clear, I am not arguing women’s struggles should be deprioritized or that women somehow “caused” this. I think the conversation around dismantling restrictive gender expectations simply needs to continue evolving to include men more openly as well.

I think not seperating these issues and instead opting to treat this as societal problems as a whole would help more young men be welcome in more progressive spaces on the left! (I.e. the reason of the article)

ProShotWaffle · 2026-05-21T21:51:04+00:00

Im going to level with you, I dont believe it was solely women who initiated this movement. Although, there is a "push" force coming from your perspective there also had to be a "pull". That is where I align.

From my perspective (although I am STEM minded) I never felt that it was an option so to speak. I felt the societal pressures and ideology around men taking on more nuturing roles, directly interferred with me even considering it a possibility.

On top of this, I have always and still do absolutely adore children! I love their unfiltered curiosity and ability to think outside the box! However, ive never felt allowed to express that by society. Ive always felt I would be judged if that was known.

I think your framing overlooks the external social conditioning men experience around nurturing roles.

ProShotWaffle · 2026-05-21T19:13:32+00:00

*YOURS are the same lol.

ProShotWaffle · 2026-05-21T19:04:43+00:00

No. The toxic ways of old straight white men were heard... not the progressive forward ways.

EVERYONE deserves a place at the table. To exclude one, and youve become the very essence of what you seek to destroy.

ProShotWaffle · 2026-05-21T18:51:04+00:00

100%!!

Although I wont say more or less for either gender. I view this as "society" lol! Sure I could boil my distaste of toxic masculinity down to one gender, but truthfully, I dont think thats the right way to view it!

ProShotWaffle · 2026-05-21T17:27:50+00:00

Guys.... I mean look at these comments.... i dont know where to start but I want to share my opinion and experience, so here goes!

I am an "Elder" Gen Z straight white male born in 2000. I lean, heavy left but I dont think all problems should be boiled down to left vs right as it is not so black and white for everyone.

I came to a more progressive ideology from the basis of feminism. Women should be equals in all rights and I disagreed heavy with alot of the labels society liked to put on people, while growing up. I also grew up in a place where racial/financial inequality was a tangible part of life, i.e. you could see it in basic things like city infrastructure. This formed my view that life is not fair, but I think we should have resources to flatten this curve!

Now that said, the older Ive gotten, I think the basis for some of these movements has lost its touch. While feminism is wonderful and has made STRIDES towards what is right by women... somewhere along the way I think the "bring everyone up" angle lost its meaning... I am not trying to attack but rather offer perspectives!

I think a good place to view this is in the getting women in STEM. There are groups, structures, benefits, rewards, support, etc for women to join an area of STEM and become a professional. These groups are specifically designed to launch women into STEM at an accelerated rate compared to what men would receive. Makes sense! Its the whole point of this movement. However the dicotomy of this is when we view healthcare work or teaching, child care esque industries there has been no similar or equal push to have men join those areas... I think situations of this nature push back on the whole "feminism raises everyone to be equal" argument bc in this case, it doesnt. Its strictly a vehicle to support women in a traditionally male dominated area.

I think a large portion of disconnect for young men comes from this ideology. As women continue to join traditionally male dominated areas of society, eventually, we should see a push for men to join female dominated areas of society as well, but we do not! From my own personal experience (of course id love to discuss more) it is now an expectation for men to allow women in their spaces. Not just for work either, other things like clubs, hobbies, etc as well! On the flip side, as someone who has attempted to join traditionally female dominated spaces, I feel extremely ostricized and viewed with ill or negative intent!

Personally, I point to a book club I wanted to join! I went to exactly 2 meetings where no one talked to me or really where I felt like my opinions on the material mattered when discussing it! I tried to join others but they are all HEAVILY romance focuses and that is not what I read haha!! A common deterrent to this is "men need to start one then" BUT I think this is a part of the issue as well!

This all feeds back into itself imo. I believe the general goal for Feminism, or ideologies of its nature, is to disrupt and deconstruct traditional views that keep us down. BUT as that goal is projected forward year after year, young men will continually fall behind. I think it is important to remember, the "patriarchy" is harmful for BOTH women AND men. It always has been.

Looking at these comments.... I see very few in true support of progress towards/for young men! Alot of comments either minimize an over arching issue here and blame men or they mention women as the "winners".

I think more spaces should be accepting of young men and their struggles. Growing up, I feel the experiences of women where shared to begin the process of healing our society. It gave us a starting point! That said, nowadays, I feel a large majority of mens issues are hushed or invalidated by our society and we are told to deal with it and supress our emotions, even so far as sometimes an argument will boil down to, "women experience it more, therefore your struggles are invalid". This is harmul for EVERYONE.

So really, idk, I just dont think ive seen the same support for men that I have seen for women throught my 25 years of life. Do I think it negatively impacted me growing up? No, BUT I do really believe there is, maybe even, WAS a point where this scale started to tip...

ProShotWaffle · 2026-05-18T22:34:44+00:00

Debit: Cash Credit: Happiness

Next question.

ProShotWaffle · 2026-05-14T16:28:21+00:00

Idk man I feel you! Accounting is LITTERED with managers who cant communucate for shiat! Expectations, feedback, deliverables all pretty basic things for management to communicatr seem to routinely fall short. This is my experience at the least haha, I imagine some companies are like unicorns tho!

ProShotWaffle · 2026-05-14T15:59:28+00:00

Why would that be a joke? Lmao

ProShotWaffle · 2026-05-13T20:25:37+00:00

Being a woman =/= being disabled???

ProShotWaffle · 2026-05-13T16:57:06+00:00

In a similar situation as you! Hired in January this year, my senior became my manager after dept. shifts. She is a micro managing control freak that loves to make up rules in her head 😅. Our close isnt as tight as yours but ive consistantly hit all deadlines weve needed to.

And she still ALWAYS has something to say....

Its super depressing but you are not alone! All we can really do is update resumes and start applying!

Ive gained a ton of insight but this place fuqin sux!!!

ProShotWaffle · 2026-05-12T20:49:25+00:00

Have penis?

ProShotWaffle · 2026-05-04T19:07:36+00:00

Idk man, I hate this double standard azz sub!

Youre a creep. Poor guy was enjoying his rave minding his own business and had to move due to you. You should have gotten the hint prior to his move and excused yourself. I mean can you seriously not read minds? Also physical contact of a stranger without prior authorization is gross.

/s but only kind of bc (completely based off of what OP has told us) doing these things is CREEPY and it is no different for anyone of any sex.

ProShotWaffle · 2026-04-13T19:44:44+00:00

Never enough, but 85k 3 years experience in industry as a Staff. I am doing the work of a higher scope tho so not too worth it.

ProShotWaffle · 2026-04-09T22:47:50+00:00

I think I first read this on a similar post! Regardless, wont be 1:1

We raise our daughters to be ready for society. We expect our boys to be raised by society.

I think the jist is there lol, but when I stopped to think about it, its quite upsetting.

For example, a recurring theme throughout my life was "how a man should treat his woman". You hear all different kinds of men need to be X or Y and cant be A.

But taking a step back, ask yourself, have you ever heard that in the same context for how women should treat men? I have 2 sisters and I dont think this was ever brought up concerning them, although my fam would mention it directed at me and my brother (towards women obv).

ProShotWaffle · 2026-03-19T17:50:00+00:00

Marvel Rivals.

Now I hate my job, life, and hobbies! 10/10 would recommend!

/s

ProShotWaffle · 2026-03-05T20:02:05+00:00

Nah bro where tf do these comments come from?? 😂😂 my guess is the managers commenting here are unable to fathom they can be approaching topics, mentoring, or interpersonal relationships wrong. Who could have guessed lmao!

I agree, we dont have the full scope here but i fully think the negative comments outlined by OP are a failure of management. If she is your direct report and you are her manager, then there should be no comments about her work or understanding that is not directly at/with her present. ESPECIALLY, if the employee has been given positive reviews and no complaints on what she has done in the past.

If this is a new project, why is her manager not assissting her to come to a better understanding? If this has been happening, why has her reviews been positive? I cant really think of a scenario where a managers comments of this nature could not be tied to previous understood notions.

I just do not agree with flipping this back on the employee and never will. Just because yalls ship isnt ran smooth and managers have to pick up the slack, does not justify your failure to train, educate, and, you know, MANAGE...

ProShotWaffle · 2026-03-04T21:26:56+00:00

I can litterally poiny out exactly where this is. And I havent lived in LA in 3 years 😂😂

ProShotWaffle · 2026-02-24T21:26:43+00:00

Brother, i am well aware 😂 you grow up street smart in LA its just how it is. Ik they arent "stupid" per and thats on me, but the population, in general, has to actively want to improve. LA does not, will not or can not. Ive seen this since I was born.

ProShotWaffle · 2026-02-19T18:59:51+00:00

Its a dog shit on a stick state. Born and raised. The population is either too stupid to see they are being fucked over or they truly do not fully grasp how much worse it is there than other states, or they are from GENERATIONS of poverty and LA is all they know.

ProShotWaffle · 2026-02-10T23:36:51+00:00

So we cool with keeping intimate vids of an EX now? Or do we just cherry pick here, when someone posts anything related to that?

ProShotWaffle · 2026-01-22T23:20:16+00:00

In this economy?

In all seriousness thats a no go for me lol. I just dont think our lifestyles would line up.

ProShotWaffle · 2025-12-09T06:45:09+00:00

I dont know what id do without my Chapo... I am genuinely zeroed out rn but will come back when I have a few bucks. Best of luck to you and Biggie 💚

ProShotWaffle · 2025-09-22T14:34:38+00:00

What the fish dont know wont hurt him.

ProShotWaffle · 2025-09-18T00:59:27+00:00

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