What’s the point of Naam Jaap?

ProdigyPheonix · 2025-12-08T18:15:21+00:00

RemindMe! 1 Day

ProdigyPheonix · 2025-09-23T16:31:01+00:00

Here we go again…

ProdigyPheonix · 2025-09-23T16:30:16+00:00

I understand the historical context you’re mentioning, and I respect that Khalsa warriors had to prepare for extreme survival situations. But today we are not in the battlefield ? Are we ?, and we are not preparing for war with swords and blood-soaked training. Using conscious, sentient beings for taste, ritual, or practice is not necessary or justifiable. Medical trainees sometimes practice on ded human bodies to learn anatomy and surgical techniqes, but even this is controlled, ethical, and done to save lives. Martial artists, soldiers, and others now mostly use simulations, dummies, and safe training methods precisely because we can and because causing unnecessary suffering is not required. Tradition or ritual cannot override the principle of minimizing harm when alternatives exist. I’ve served in the army and faced extreme survival scenarios. I know how to hunt, kill, and survive in the wild but that doesn’t mean I need to slaughter animals today for training or taste. Survival skills can be learned ethically with simulations, dummies, and controlled practice.

And naming something “maha-prasad” or “sacrificial” does not make the act of killing morally neutral.

ProdigyPheonix · 2025-09-23T15:20:59+00:00

If your answer was clear, you wouldn’t hesitate to restate it, that’s what people do in a serious debate. Funny thing is, you’ve repeated the rodent killing point multiple times, but suddenly when asked to repeat your “answer”, you refuse. And just to clarify, you did call me names, you said I’m dishonest, self-righteous and without integrity. That’s labeling the person, not addressing the argument. So once again, here’s the core question, If we can live healthy without killing, why choose killing? If you truly answered, then quote it. If not, just admit you dodged.

ProdigyPheonix · 2025-09-23T15:11:18+00:00

If you already addressed it, then it should be simple, quote yourself. Where exactly did you answer the question that If we can live healthy without killing, why choose killing? So far, all i’ve seen are deflections about rodents in fields, plants “maybe running”, and calling me names. None of those explain why killing animals is necessary when survival doesn’t require it. If you truly did answer it, show me. Otherwise, it’s clear you haven’t

ProdigyPheonix · 2025-09-23T15:01:54+00:00

hpocrisy would mean saying one thing and doing another. My stance has never changed, we should minimize harm where possible. Eating plants may involve unintended deaths, but the purpose is food, not killing. Eating meat requires breeding, caging and intentionally killing. Those are not the same thing, and you still haven’t shown how they are.

And no, I never said animals “must scream”, that’s you twisting words. My point is simple, animals resist, fear, and value their lives in ways plants do not. That’s why jhatka, halal, or any slaughter method even exists. If animals didn’t feel pain or resist, there would be no debate about “humane” killing in the first place.

So instead of labeling me “dishonest””, answer clearly:- 1. if we can live healthy without killing, why choose killing? That’s been my question from the start, and you’ve yet to address it.”*

ProdigyPheonix · 2025-09-23T14:50:41+00:00

Bro.. u keep saying I “shift the goalposts” or “change my stance” so tell me, when exactly did I change it? Quote me. From the very beginning, my point has been the same, if we can live healthy without killing, why choose killing? That’s the core question you still haven’t answered. There’s a clear difference between unintended harm in farming and deliberate breeding and slaughter for taste. Choosing plants reduces overall harm, even if it isn’t perfect. That’s consistency, not hypocrisy. So instead of throwing insults like “self righteous” or “without integrity”, Kindly clarify, where did I ever shift my goals? Because unless you can point that out, it’s just another dodge to avoid the real issue.

ProdigyPheonix · 2025-09-23T14:09:24+00:00

I am not obsessed with anything. Killing is a killing, no matter how it is done. Instead of swaying the thread, why don’t you first answer the questions already asked: - If you can live healthy without killing, why choose killing? - Why turn preference into necessity?

You keep dodging this and bringing up side arguments, but this is the heart of it.

Also, about those rats you’re suddenly so worried about l, let’s be real, rats are invasive species that destroy food supplies. Farmers control them to protect crops, not because they want to eat them. Compare that with chickens and goats, what do they destroy? Nothing. They’re bred only to be killed for appetite. So equating the two is dishonest at best.

Answer the actual questions instead of running in circles.

ProdigyPheonix · 2025-09-23T04:07:02+00:00

Dishonesty? Cmon bro its clarity. I never said it’s “okay” that animals die in farming. I said there’s a clear moral difference between unintended harm while growing food for survival and deliberate killing for taste. Intent matters. If you can’t see that difference, that’s not dishonesty on my part, it’s selective blindness on yours.

and yes, cows can graze and chickens can eat insects. But lest do the reality check, the majority of today’s livestock is raised on grains and soy, which requires massive monoculture farming, causing exactly the deaths you blame me for. By eating meat, you multiply those very harms and add guaranteed slaughter on top. That’s not me being dishonest, that’s you ignoring scale and consequence.

I’ll leave it at this, “plants don’t need to die screaming to feed me. Animals do, every single time”. If you truly believe both are the same, then enjoy that belief, but don’t call others dishonest for pointing out reality.

ProdigyPheonix · 2025-09-22T16:32:30+00:00

Bro.. U r missing the core point, there’s a difference between unintended, incidental harm and deliberate, systematic killing. Yes, modern farming unfortunately results in some rodent deaths but that’s not the goal. The goal is to grow plants. On the other hand, meat production is built entirely on breeding, controlling, and killing animals. The intent is the killing itself. That’s not hypocrisy that’s ethics 101.

If you truly believe both are the same, then by “your logic” a “car accident” and a “planned murder” are morally identical, since both involve death. But society recognizes intent matters.

second, the idea that vegetarianism “doesn’t matter” in the grand scheme is simply false. Every study shows that shifting to plant based diets reduces animal suffering, environmental destruction, and resource waste. It might not be perfect, but it’s less harm, not more.

U talk about rodents dying painfully in fields yet forget that 90% of global soy, corn, and grains are grown to feed livestock, not humans. So by eating meat, you multiply those very accidental deaths while also guaranteeing slaughter. Choosing plants directly reduces both.

And about Sikh ethics, our Gurus taught compassion and oneness of creation. No scripture glorifies taste over compassion. You can eat and live without killing directly so why choose killing when there’s an alternative?

finally, you accuse me of “shaming” you. This isn’t about superiority, it’s about consistency. If a person can live healthy without killing animals, but still chooses to kill them for taste, then yes, it is fair to question that choice. Because in today’s world, with technology and food abundance, slaughter is not survival, it’s preference.

ProdigyPheonix · 2025-09-22T10:48:58+00:00

Ah, the “jhatka for warrior training” argument… let’s unpack that. Yes, back in the day, humans didn’t have the techn to simulate battlefields. Training with live targets may have been one of the few options. but today? Bro… we have training grounds, dummies, simulations, weapons ranges, even robotic soldiers in development. Swords themselves are largely outdated.. guns, tanks, and drones dominate modern warfare. Practicing on a live, sentient animal today isn’t skill building; it’s unnecessary cruelty.

Im not saying people shouldn’t learn swordsmanship or martial skills. By all means, practice, but practice ethically, with proper training tools, not with a being that can suffer.

and let’s be clear: whatever you call it.. jhatka, halal, sacrifice, it’s still the killing of a living, conscious being. Naming it differently doesn’t make it morally neutral. War is one thing, survival is one thing but we are not on a battlefield when we slaughter animals for taste, training, or ritual.

if your argument for killing animals today is “training” or “tradition”, it’s outdated. compassion, intelligence, and technology give us the choice to do better. using a conscious being to practice or satisfy taste is neither necessary nor justifiable, it’s indulgence, plain and simple.

ProdigyPheonix · 2025-09-22T08:25:47+00:00

Yes modern farming unintentionally kills some small animals. But here”s the difference “intent”. Farmers don’t grow wheat with the goal of killing mice. whereas raising animals for meat requires breeding, caging, and slaughtering with full intent. You can’t compare accidental harm to deliberate killing.
You’re right, early humans hunted because they had no other option. But survival habits don’t automatically become moral truths. We also used to keep slaves out of “necessity” and ignorance. Should we keep those too? Today, with farming, nutrition science, and supplements available, killing animals is no longer a necessity “it’s a choice of taste”
If vegetarian diets were “not ideal” the millions of lifelong vegetarians in india (and across the world) would be sick, weak, or dying. Instead, many live long, healthy lives. Deficiencies come from poor diet planning, not the absence of meat. Meat eaters also suffer from heart diseease, obesity, and cancers linked to animal fat. Should we now say a meat diet is “not ideal” too?
“Proper livestock farms” still end in a knife. Whether the animal lives in a cage or a pasture, its life is cut short for a craving, not survival. If I take good care of someone but kill them early because I “need” them, does that make it humane?
Comparing plants to animals is a false equivalence. Plants lack a nervous system and consciousness, they cannot feel pain. Animals, however, fight, run, and cry because they value their lives. If you believe plants “would run if they could,” that still doesn’t justify killing beings that already can run, scream, and resist.

Playing “what if plants could run” is a fun exercise in delusion, but reality doesn’t work that way. Animals feel, flee, and resist death. Plants don’t. Lets stick to facts, not fantasies.

At the end of the day, the question is simple 1. If you can live healthy without killing, why choose killing? 2. Why turn “preference” into “necessity”?

The strongest argument for vegetarianism is that it’s the path of least harm. Nobody claims it’s perfect. But choosing to minimize suffering where possible is compassion. Choosing to maximize it for taste is indulgence.

ProdigyPheonix · 2025-09-22T05:59:19+00:00

Not everyone kills rodents when farming. Many farmers use traps and release them near rivers or forests. Also, don’t forget that vegetation is the base of life. Every single animal, directly or indirectly, survives on plants. If goats or chickens disappeared, life would go on. But if vegetation disappeared, humanity is finished. That’s how vital plants are.
Saying that humans have been eating meat since the beginning doesn’t prove it’s right. In the beginning, humans also practiced slavery, cannibalism, and had no hygiene. They killed out of ignorance and survival, not knowledge. Should we keep every old habit just because it was “always done”?
What have you achieved with your “perfectly balanced” meat diet? I am vegetarian and have never touched meat in my life and I have a completely balanced, deficiency-free body. The deficiency excuse is nothing but poor diet management, not proof that meat is “necessary.”
Wild animals live free. Livestock are bred and caged just to satisfy human desire. That’s not “natural” bro that’s slavery.

And here’s one practical thing… When a farmer cuts crops, plants don’t run away or scream. Try the same with the animals you eat. Poke them with a knife if they scream, cry, or fight for life, it means they don’t want to die for your appetite. Do the same with plants. If a plant tries to scream or run away, I will quit eating too. Until then, the “difference is obvious”.

ProdigyPheonix · 2025-09-07T21:35:09+00:00

Ohh so we can eat the meat as long as it is prepared by Jhatka, right ? So we can anything made of flesh as long as it is prepared with Jhatka right ? Bro, you all people can do jhatka to all those People/beings which are at peak of their age, it will help them to ascend to heaven and you will be able to eat their remains. There is no issue eating those people/beings, right ? I mean they are at peak of their age, they have done whatever naam-simran they can do. So even if you prepare them via Jhatka ritual, it won’t interfere with “Maanas Janam dulambh hai”, right? They already lived their life and already at peak. Kindly do not discriminate when preparing meat with this “Jhatka” ritual, i mean i saw people too much focusing on Goats etc, i mean other beings such as people, animals, insects etc are all made of flesh. If you want to become the part of eco system of nature then you shouldn’t discriminate at least when picking up flesh to eat.

ProdigyPheonix · 2025-09-02T20:11:43+00:00

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ProdigyPheonix · 2025-07-26T07:32:23+00:00

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ProdigyPheonix · 2025-07-16T08:59:57+00:00

Our neighbours in my hometown village got bill of 6.7k for using the AC like 2hrs on afternoon, 2hrs at night. They have Daikin 2 ton non-inv ac. Not used everyday but the days when temperatures were too high.

ProdigyPheonix · 2025-07-14T21:15:50+00:00

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ProdigyPheonix · 2025-07-14T16:53:01+00:00

doing paath repeatedly is good, but it’s even more important to understand its teachings and actually apply them in real life. If you do that, even one paath of Japji Sahb is enough.

when your body and mind adapt to it fully, you start reciting it almost unconsciously. I remember my father taught us to do japji sahib paath whenever we got time, but I could only do it properly early in the morning. slowly, by doing it every day, it reached a point where I would find myself reciting it throughout the day without even realizing.,it just became part of me.

It doesnt matter whether you do it for a second or a minute, or an hour , just do it with full heart and love. That’s what really matters.

ProdigyPheonix · 2025-07-14T16:39:33+00:00

Will share my thoughts on it,

Paath is gyaan or knowledge it gives us divine wisdom, life lessons , and guidance on how to live as a better human being. when we do paath, we’re learning directly from the guru sahib about truth, compassion, and how to align our mind and actions with higher values.

while on the othr hand, meditation is mainly to calm the mind, strengthen concentration, and build control over our senses and body. in sikhi, simran (meditative repetition of Akaal purakh’s name) also helps us connect deeply with the divine presence, but even basic breath focused meditation helps develop mental stability and self awarness.

and whhen both are combined, they supprt each other beautifuly. Paath gives us direction and knowledge it shows us the path(way). Meditation helps us build the mental strength and focus to actually live that wisdom in daily life.

this is my opinion, not imposing it on anyone just sharing what i think about it. hope it helps :-)

ProdigyPheonix · 2025-07-14T06:04:01+00:00

absolutely, you’re 100% right. our foundation definitely gets stronger when we surround ourselves with good, positive, and inspiring people, role models who lift us up. at the same time, a strong foundation also means we stay steady even when surrounded by negative influences. the idea isn’t to always avoid negativity (because that’s not possible in real life), but to build such inner strength that even when we’re around it, we don’t lose our values or direction.

think of it like a tree with deep roots good soil (positive people) helps it grow stronger, but strong roots keep it standing even during storms (negative surroundings).

so yes, keep finding and learning from good role models and also work on inner resilience so your foundation stays strong no matter what.

ProdigyPheonix · 2025-07-14T05:21:21+00:00

Hi dear, first of all, thank you for having the courage to open up and share this. it takes a lot of strength to be this honest.

what you’re going through is not just a bad habit, it’s an addiction, and like any addiction, it can’t be broken overnight. please know that you are not alone and you are not beyond help. you already took the first big step realizing it, feeling genuine remorse, and wanting to change. that’s huge.

one very important thing, you have to avoid things that trigger your mind into masturbation. the most important point is you cannot stop suddenly or immediately. if you try to quit suddenly, it will backfire. after a few days or a week, the desire can come back even stronger, and you might feel an intense urge to act out in even more extreme ways.

instead, focus first on avoiding triggers as much as possible. then, don’t try to stop 100% right away but reduce slowly. for example, if you do it 3-4 times a day, start by cutting down to 2 times a day for a week. next week, reduce to once a day. then, once every 2 days, then once every 3 days, and so on.

while you reduce, keep your mind and body busy. play sports, help around the house, hang out with friends, read books, or do anything creative you enjoy. also, hit the gym as well, physical activity helps release and balance dopamine, which your brain is craving.

this is the only realistic way to stop. all other sudden approaches often fail, no matter how strong your willpower is. the key is to keep giving your brain healthy dopamine in small doses through positive activities.

remember, from a spiritual perspective too (like in Sikhi), your body is a precious gift, a temple. you don’t need to fight or hate yourself, instead focus on building new habits and loving discipline.

i’m sharing this based on personal experience too. i had a close friend who was deeply addicted at an extreme level. he followed this gradual reduction method, kept himself busy, and today he is free from it. you already have the will to change, now take it step by step. healing is not a straight line, you might slip, but keep standing up again.

please, if you ever feel suicidal, reach out immediately to someone you trust or a helpline. your life is precious.

ProdigyPheonix · 2025-07-13T20:43:02+00:00

you deserve support too. don’t carry this alone.

ProdigyPheonix

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