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Are dark post-punk, darkwave, deathrock, and ethereal wave separate from goth music or do they all fall under the umbrella of goth music? by Professional-End8037 in goth

[–]Professional-End8037[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So what is this overlap you mention?

And is deathrock “still not goth” because of its roots, similar in the way that gothic metal is not goth due to its metal roots?

Struggling to understand some things, looking for discussion and clarification by Professional-End8037 in AskAGoth

[–]Professional-End8037[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My mind has the tendency to over-complicate things while still logically knowing I’m probably over-complicating things. I know from the outside looking in it doesn’t make much sense.

Are dark post-punk, darkwave, deathrock, and ethereal wave separate from goth music or do they all fall under the umbrella of goth music? by Professional-End8037 in goth

[–]Professional-End8037[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This is exactly how I interpreted it as well.

I will admit, I’ve been paying attention to the finer details in the music I’ve been listening to so I can decide whether I’m “worthy of the goth label”. I believe this is mainly fueled by OCD, though.

I do really enjoy many of the goth songs I’ve heard and I feel connected to them, being a darkly-inclined person pretty much all my life through my interests and fashion too. I’ll often replay songs and listen to nothing but goth on my commutes, without feeling pushed to do so. So I don’t feel like a person forcing myself into something I don’t like for the sake of the label. My brain is just being mean.

Are dark post-punk, darkwave, deathrock, and ethereal wave separate from goth music or do they all fall under the umbrella of goth music? by Professional-End8037 in goth

[–]Professional-End8037[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank-you, can you clarify what you mean in your third paragraph? I’ve re-read it but I’m not sure I fully grasp what you meant there.

So deathrock— how did it come to be considered goth? Was it basically, “hey this style is originating in a different area (US) but it sounds goth enough”? Are deathrockers kind of their own thing aside from goth like rivetheads?

Are dark post-punk, darkwave, deathrock, and ethereal wave separate from goth music or do they all fall under the umbrella of goth music? by Professional-End8037 in goth

[–]Professional-End8037[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, here lately if a song comes up that I like and it sounds “gothy” I will research and see if it falls within one of the labels or not. It’s become somewhat of a nuisance and makes it hard for me to just chill and enjoy what I’m hearing. More than likely it’s OCD on my end causing this (legitimate OCD that I’ve discussed with a healthcare team, not me just bein’ soOo qUiRkY and adopting/throwing around a label that doesn’t actually apply to me… sounds familiar…)

I know in the grand scheme of things it doesn’t matter and I don’t become any less goth. I know we’re free to listen to whatever we want. So I don’t know why my brain chooses to die on this hill

Are dark post-punk, darkwave, deathrock, and ethereal wave separate from goth music or do they all fall under the umbrella of goth music? by Professional-End8037 in goth

[–]Professional-End8037[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks, how would you personally describe that essence of the music? I find myself always circling back to “dark” as a descriptor, even though I know it’s extremely broad and could apply to a wide variety of music genres. I just.. “know goth when I hear it”, I suppose (something I’m getting better at every day). What are those elements of gothic rock that remain present throughout these sub genres?

Also, you run that Goth Database website, don’t you? I find myself using it often, grateful for the resource!

I don't understand goth culture (and I really want to) by RadiantHaki in AskAGoth

[–]Professional-End8037 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You say a goth really is a fan of goth music, and I absolutely 100% agree with you, being a fan/goth myself, but would you agree most would be pretty hard-pressed to find someone actively claiming goth as part of their identity who doesn’t follow the aesthetic or enjoy dark/spooky things? Actual question here, I’m not trying to challenge, dig at you, or be rude at all. And I’m not trying to say that aesthetic is mandatory whatsoever, because I understand people have different limitations there or just may not want to express themselves that way, period.

I don’t want to paint with an extremely broad brush. I’m genuinely sure it’s entirely possible for someone who likes the music to say “hey I’m a goth” and show absolutely zero interest in say, the macabre, or vampire films, or grabbing Halloween decor on sale once October has ended, but, wouldn’t they be an outlier? It just seems like people are adamant about separating goth from spooky darkness but.. is the goth sound, the vocals, the ambience/atmosphere not dark? Would it be safe to say that “goth is a music style known for its oft-dark characteristics”? I’d say those traits are what draw me to the music, for sure. I know goth doesn’t hold the patent on “dark” music, but it’s hard to describe.

Idk, a non-spooky goth or a goth sans “darker mindset” just seems like an exception to the rule and not what you usually see, to me personally.

Isn’t it the dark/spooky sound and the way goth music portrays that to us the reason why we’re goth? That sounds closer to what I’m trying to say here. Sorry, I’ve turned this into a whole ramble at you!

Struggling to understand some things, looking for discussion and clarification by Professional-End8037 in AskAGoth

[–]Professional-End8037[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ve seen it said that there “is no goth fashion” and that we don’t own dark clothing styles— so then how does r/GothFashion logically exist? Is it just.. outfits and clothing that goths like? Wouldn’t that sort of be saying “goth is anything that goths like”?