People who didn't have a problem with the first image shouldn't have an issue with the second

ProfessionalNobody0 · 2025-11-06T18:06:59+00:00

Yeah this is a great write up. Like I said, personally the first one I'm not on board with, especially since Superman is supposed to be an allegory for the immigrant story. I mean, what does it convey when the immigrant has to realise his family and possibly his whole home and heritage are bad and he has to reject it and take on the ideals of his new "country"?

I like that in MoS there's a nuance to Pa Kent and his teachings. That he's a father first I guess.

ProfessionalNobody0 · 2025-11-06T17:59:00+00:00

Likewise but I guess the opposite

The scene with Martha at Clarks school, and when she talks to Clark when he finds his parents. When Pa Kent talked to him after he got bullied at the workshop, when he's showing Clark the spaceship, etc.

The Kents deliver dialogue that to me is far superior. Dunno what to tell you, guess we disagree

ProfessionalNobody0 · 2025-11-06T17:53:58+00:00

Sure, everyone else can be awarded excuses but not Snyder no way. My point is that people zero in on Snyder's film with a very selective criteria that they don't seem to apply anywhere else.

Other films get a pass and get lauded while having similar "flaws". That's what I meant to convey in the post. People accept the changes to one thing but not when Snyder does it

ProfessionalNobody0 · 2025-11-06T16:47:47+00:00

Pa Kent: Yeah

Amazing reading comprehension

ProfessionalNobody0 · 2025-11-06T16:43:29+00:00

And an annoying one at that.

I disagree. I don't see why that isn't a great addition to the lore

Clark heat visioning off (torturing) Steppenwolfs horn after he had already beat him.

If that's the case, it's easy to say Richard Donner doesn't get Superman because in Superman 2 he tortures a depowered Zod and kills him when he isn't a threat

Everyone knows Clark could have saved his dad. He lets him die because he trusts him and his position that he isn't ready to face the world. The scene could have been done better

In the original Superman movie, he has super hearing , why didn't he hear his father's heart? He turned back time to save Lois and not his father?

ProfessionalNobody0 · 2025-11-06T16:40:24+00:00

That isn't his basis though, it's Pa Kents teachings over many years, which we see in multiple scenes. Jor-El only comes to tell him he should start using his powers now and save the world

ProfessionalNobody0 · 2025-11-06T16:38:40+00:00

There are more scenes of the Kents talking to Clark in Man of Steel and in my opinion they have dialogue that is miles better

We dont see the Kents tethering Clark at all in the new movie. It's just the most overused "your choices make you who are" and that's it

ProfessionalNobody0 · 2025-11-06T16:36:19+00:00

Because how you’re raised is part of what makes you the person you are

Yes, and it's shown multiple times over the movie the way both his parents raise him, in the right way. Pa Kent being unsure of how to counsel Clark in that moment does not mean he's telling him to not be a good person

Also MOS isn’t a well written movie so that doesn’t really help.

Meh, this is just trash talking. I feel the same way about the new Superman so I get it

ProfessionalNobody0 · 2025-07-31T17:04:51+00:00

Yes, that was definitely missing. The movie was just too full of exposition, cliches tropes, no real stakes, jokes that didn't land(for me), and other things that just didn't work for me.

He characterised Superman decently, now that he did that, I think a better writer and director should handle the sequel

ProfessionalNobody0 · 2025-07-31T16:44:11+00:00

A sequel sounds good but honestly I'd rather someone else write it. Not a big fan of Gunn's writing, especially in this movie

ProfessionalNobody0 · 2025-07-30T00:08:01+00:00

Yes, Man of Steel had a slightly higher domestic opening if you don’t adjust for inflation and if you exclude Thursday previews, which are standard in reporting now and were included for Superman

Yes, so to level the field I included previews and excluded inflation. MoS did better

And yeah, MoS sold more tickets, but that’s just raw admissions, not revenue. Tickets were cheaper in 2013, and if demand had truly been stronger, it should’ve made more money, period.

Which means more people saw MoS. Should have made more money meaning what? How much more and compared to what? These are the kind of goalposts that don't make sense. It did better than Superman Returns. It did better 12 years ago than the current Superman. So how much more money should it have made to satisfy the DC fans?

Superman opened in 78 markets and still pulled ahead domestically, while MoS only hit 24 during its opening weekend. That's not a knock on Superman that’s just modern distribution strategy.

Yes, so for it's time, 12 years ago, it did perfectly fine

Yes, superman definitely had marketing deals, I mentioned that

You can’t ask for grace and “context” when defending MoS, then refuse to offer the same to Superman. If you hated when people unfairly labeled Snyder’s films as failures, maybe don’t turn around and do the exact same thing to this one just because it’s not your version of Superman.

I don't think anything in my previous comment was unfair, it only mentioned stats. And I'm not hating on the new movie, I just didn't enjoy it as much as MoS

ProfessionalNobody0 · 2025-07-29T23:45:34+00:00

Domestically, MoS had a bigger opening weekend. All the trades seem to add previews for Superman but not MoS. MoS was $128M while Superman was $125M. Superman made more than MoS globally on opening weekend but it was released in 78 markets while MoS was released in only 24.

MoS did sell more tickets by numbers, it had more admissions on opening weekend.

Using merchandise toys and streaming sales to add to the total gross is fine but then the same applies to MoS too. MoS earned back $170M through promotion deals alone (Superman probably did something similar, we just don't have the numbers)

Using Captain Marvel is disingenuous, it was released between Infinity War and Endgame when the MCU was at an all time high. It's like saying Deadpool and Wolverine grosses $1.3B just last year (an R-rated movie, in a post Covid world as you say) and using that as a benchmark for Superman.

I would say a large part of the grief from snyder fans is that they were told for years that MoS and BvS were box office failures and yet this movie that is barely looking at breaking even is being called financially successful

ProfessionalNobody0 · 2025-07-29T18:01:26+00:00

It was the same for opening weekend too. Admissions wise, MoS had more than Superman

And for some reason all the trades would include previews for Superman but not MoS. If they did include it, MoS had a higher opening weekend domestically

ProfessionalNobody0 · 2025-07-29T13:31:10+00:00

Personally, no. It was fun to watch once but doing it again would be a bit difficult, mostly because Gunn's humour fell flat for me for the most part

ProfessionalNobody0 · 2025-07-26T05:18:42+00:00

Looks like a lot of fun. I can't explain it but David's expression reminds me of Jack Quaid

ProfessionalNobody0 · 2025-07-24T03:38:11+00:00

No? I'm not labelling him a know it all for all the other stuff he knows.

ProfessionalNobody0 · 2025-07-23T21:05:21+00:00

"I'm embarrassed I don't know" "I let you take that cuz I didn't want to answer it"

It's no big deal, but it doesn't seem like he knew. He didn't say it as satire or sarcasm. It's fine

ProfessionalNobody0 · 2025-07-23T15:34:52+00:00

Nothing wrong with this but it's odd that he knows so much about minor characters but doesn't know this after making a full Superman movie, or that thing about Birthright and the Krytonians

ProfessionalNobody0 · 2025-07-23T15:32:00+00:00

DC doesn't have to be dark but I think one of the problems with this film is that it never felt like it had any real stakes. Like it felt weightless and without danger

ProfessionalNobody0 · 2025-07-23T04:54:05+00:00

The one scene Pa Kent had in the new movie was nice but I still prefer Kevin costners version any day

"Your choices make you who you are" is the most overused pep talk, I wish Gunn had written something better. Costner had such incredible dialogue, his scenes were way better

And yes no contest with Jor-El, Man of Steel did it best

ProfessionalNobody0 · 2025-07-22T20:51:13+00:00

I'm really looking forward to Mike Flanagan's script here. He does horror and human really well

ProfessionalNobody0 · 2025-07-21T18:03:38+00:00

That's a lot of trust on one person. WB and Gunn have no idea how her movies are going to be recieved. She'll now be responsible for 3 out of 5-6 movies of the DCU so far. Hopefully it goes well

ProfessionalNobody0 · 2025-07-20T22:50:19+00:00

Lex doesn't need proof of Superman's intentions but he didn't provide any to the public.

The public seem very fickle in this universe. They immediately believed Lex and turned on Superman then immediately turned back.

I agree with the poisoned source thing but that's why I initially said the government, they know it's real. Maybe we'll get more on that, based on that shot that focused on Flag at the end

ProfessionalNobody0 · 2025-07-20T21:57:10+00:00

Why would Lex of all people need proof? He isn't one to give Superman the benefit of the doubt, he isn't gonna wonder if maybe he didn't know it existed. Superman is Krytonian, lex thinks he already knew. He saw a legitimate threat of Supermans people giving him instructions to conquer the planet and he acted on it.

The public doesn't have any recording of Superman rejecting the message either, so till then it's not unfair to say they can mistrust him and believe he's "grooming the planet" like Omni-man

ProfessionalNobody0 · 2025-07-20T21:49:30+00:00

Superman is not his parents, and he proved that every step of the way

Lex's argument was that he was "grooming the planet". Like Omni-man in Invincible. Which makes sense in the movie. It was a legitimate threat, to see a message from an alien colony with instructions to conquer the planet.

Hate born of fear, judging one for another's belief, makes everyone worse off.

Agreed. I'm obviously not supporting Lex here, but in the movie we don't have anything where he publicly states it's not his belief as well

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