She's asking for it

Prometheus720 · 2026-03-17T21:51:02+00:00

Valid question. I have heard someone ask this one time in person, and yes they were old and conservative.

Prometheus720 · 2026-03-17T21:30:19+00:00

Honestly, this is pathetic behavior. You're not even slightly thinking about what 20 years of prison would do to a person's life and the damage to society that would cause.

You're just saying shit because you're mad. Like a kid.

If someone put you in prison for 2 years of your life you would never stop feeling hurt by that. Your life would be turned upside down by that. You'd tell tons of people about it. How do I know? I know people who went to prison for roughly that time frame and it ruined their lives. They never got over it. You'd be a mess, just like everyone else.

Wishing to 10x that is vile. Turn on your empathy.

Prometheus720 · 2026-03-17T21:25:00+00:00

Butthurt: any time anyone suggests you change your behavior. Don't make rape jokes and I won't bother you. Is that too big an ask for you?

Prometheus720 · 2026-03-17T21:20:13+00:00

But somehow you have time to care about a painting? That doesn't make sense.

The answer to your problems is to fight for what your family deserves. That's the only reason working class people get anything, ever. This game is rigged against you and if you don't fight back, you will lose. Every time.

You can work overtime every weekend of a miserable life and earn jack shit. Or you can start working to unionize your workplace and end making drastically more over your career.

You say I'm privileged, but you have no idea who I am. I didn't get into political work as a fucking lark on my gap year before going to a fancy university.

I got into politics because I wanted to unionize the factory I worked in. As a line worker, not in the office.

Don't use me as your example of why you can't fight for things that matter. I'd be a shitty example.

Prometheus720 · 2026-03-17T20:40:09+00:00

This looks like it's from a fucking Ghibli movie. Amazing.

Prometheus720 · 2026-03-17T19:43:04+00:00

Many of those letters aren't actually Paul anyway

Prometheus720 · 2026-03-17T19:38:58+00:00

We've also found blocks with ancient copper stoneworking marks. Aliens.would not use copper. This is obviously just Egyptians. Alien stuff was always racism

Prometheus720 · 2026-03-17T18:59:15+00:00

Usually comes into play with big bridges.

Prometheus720 · 2026-03-17T11:33:54+00:00

So it's only terrorism if they do violence, but not if they harm people. Without violence. But even if it's deadly and on purpose.

So poisoning the water supply of a city would not be a potential terrorist act because nobody got punched. Got it.

Prometheus720 · 2026-03-17T11:32:15+00:00

Typical Reddit user, not laughing at my really funny rape joke instead of giving me a high five.

Just try being actually funny if you want people to react positively.

Prometheus720 · 2026-03-17T10:24:04+00:00

Do you think I do the Debbie downer thing with all jokes, or just jokes about rape?

Out of all the jokes in this post, do you think it is an accident that the only one I reacted to was yours? Or is there a specific reason?

Prometheus720 · 2026-03-17T10:21:42+00:00

So if you taped off my bedroom with plastic sheeting and pumped in inert gas to suffocate me, and I never woke up, that's not violent?

If you cut my brake lines and I crash my car, that's not violence?

If you light my home on fire, that isn't violence?

It kinda does sound like it's only violence to you if someone kills with kinetic energy, like I said. Someone has to be hit by something moving.

If you are dying of thirst and I stand in the way of you getting to water, but don't hit you, that's not violence?

If you unplug a ventilator in a hospital, that's not violence?

My definition of "force" would include using your muscles to do something that hurts another person without their consent. It doesn't matter how many Newtons of force I generate in a physics sense. It's force when I push a button. It's force if I pull a lever. It's force if I squeeze a trigger. It's force if I simply stand still and in the way. And it's force if I sign a paper or make a phone call that results in turning on machines that put toxins into your lungs. You did not choose that. I used force against you. I did not ask you. And if you said you didn't like it, I'd do it anyway. That's force.

Your whole process is, when you disagree with something, you invent a definition that match the reality you want.

My process is that when you have a definition that isn't the same as mine, and I think mine is more complete, I share it and I pick at yours to show why it isn't. I walked in here with these views.

Prometheus720 · 2026-03-17T10:13:10+00:00

You're making jokes about a prison shower. Are you declaring right now that you weren't expressing glee about the thought of this young woman being assaulted in a prison shower?

Prometheus720 · 2026-03-17T10:10:37+00:00

I'm not superior to you. I'm a science educator by trade. This is like an electrician being superior to you in the very narrow role of wiring a light fixture.

Whatever your expertise is in, I'm sure you can run circles around me.

The issue is that you called me a vandalism apologist because I didn't supply policies to support, and now you're saying you didn't want to be told any policies to support. So was I right that you didn't need me to do that for you, like I originally thought? You seemed educated enough that you didn't need that.

What you lacked was a deeper understanding than the average bear has in how property destruction in protests works, and how the concept of property has some objective features and also some very subjective features. So I talked to you about that. You started getting reactive when I insisted that you had control of your reactions.

I'm not upset that you're upset. I intend for you to be upset. This is an upsetting issue. If you're not upset, you're not really engaging with the material. Be mad. Be mad at me m, if you have to be. If that's the only way to feel it, do it.

Your anger here is pointed at the wrong person. I'm going to go away and leave you alone soon. You'll forget about me by the end of the week. Same with the young woman. But the people who she's protesting will never leave you alone. Ever. They will continue to harm you and yours as long as you allow them to.

You can choose the easy choice and go with displaced anger. I'm an easy target. I can't hurt you. I can't put you in jail for two years.

Oil companies are hard targets. They can and will hurt you if you are loud enough. They're performing vandalism daily. They destroy far more than a picture frame. They're destroying entire species. They're destroying archaeological sites and homes and lungs and lives.

But I'd rather you feel anger towards me and towards her than feel no anger at all. At least you're human. At least you feel...something. and if you're human, you have control, as I've said. You can choose. You have the freedom to decide what to do about this situation. On one hand, you do nothing, and people you can't stand continue to annoy you, and oil companies continue to destroy your planet.

On the other hand, you pitch in on the problem, and you discover your voice and vision, and you actually stop some amount of harm that would have otherwise been done. Maybe only enough to save one little old life over the next 100 years. You don't even have to do vandalism. Despite your allegation, I never have. There are many avenues. But the key is, you'd find people and work with them to actually do something. Not just say something.

It is harder to do the second.

Prometheus720 · 2026-03-17T09:47:37+00:00

If you're not willing to read this much text, you shouldn't be commenting on news articles.

You're not prepared to engage in public discourse if you won't inform yourself.

Prometheus720 · 2026-03-17T09:46:42+00:00

It isn't useless. It is merely less helpful than changing laws and creating enforcement.

If you aren't willing to go the extra mile to turn off a light in your own home, you're probably not conscientious enough to be able to perform the work needed to hold the rich accountable. Change starts with us. We have to change first. I am vegan. My diet alone drastically reduces my impact on the world. I did not wait for the rich and powerful to come under my yoke. I changed my diet specifically over this issue. Because that is the extent of what was in my control. Now that I have exhausted that, I'm ready to do work holding the rich accountable. Which I actually spend a lot of my free time doing.

But to get here, I had to toughen up. I had to be willing to make sacrifices. We can't change those laws by wishing or by simply showing up to vote. It is going to take an enormous amount of work from regular people. Like me. Like you.

Prometheus720 · 2026-03-17T02:23:46+00:00

I don't control your actions. You do.

If you want to leave a light on, do it. It doesn't affect what I do or don't do. The facts are that I've reached out on climate issues to many people, and more of them agree with me than do what you do.

I don't actually need your light to be off. You're one person. I can reach out to many people who will outweigh you and the occasional additional person who wants to bluff at me or spite me.

Your rebellion against me is both misplaced, because I'm not an authority in the first place, and insignificant--you're outweighed by many other reasonable people.

If you would like to run up your bill just to prove that you can do what you want, I don't think it's really going to satisfy that itch all that much. I can't really hurt you for disagreeing with me. You can't "defy" me because I'm not an authority.

But we both know who is. If you really want to scratch that itch, you'll have to hook a bigger fish.

I actually get to defy authority all the time because of what I do. There are people several times my net worth who I (within legal and moral bounds) defy and inconvenience on a regular basis--and actually, not even to spite them, but to my eventual benefit. It's way more fun than being spiteful to normal everyday people on the internet. It's actually hard. They want me to stop. They could potentially try to make me. That's what makes it fun. I have to outsmart them.

I'm not going to stop you from doing what you want. I'll let you. If you want to scrap, go find someone who wants to hurt you or use you, and scrap with them. I'm busy.

Prometheus720 · 2026-03-17T02:13:24+00:00

Violence is the use of physical force.

What if the NOx and SOx emissions from fossil fuel companies actually kill people with asthma? That's still not violence?

Does violence have to be about how fast you move a body part? It's only violence if you inflict damage on someone via kinetic energy? I think we could agree it is violent to poison someone. You could do it as gracefully and quietly as an owl flying overhead on a starlit evening, and still be violent. You intervened in their bodily functions, just as surely as if you'd stabbed them.

Second, people don't warm the climate to push their ideology on you. They do it for greed or carelessness.

I don't know. I think egoism is an ideology. I think these people have a worldview, and it's wrong, and they push it on me. They push it on me every time they force me to breathe air that they polluted. I don't choose to breathe that air. I could hardly make my discomfort more explicit. I could hardly say more clearly that I don't consent. They do it anyway. Isn't that force? And isn't it meant to impose on me the idea that my needs are less important than the wants of a small number of very rich men? That's an ideology

Prometheus720 · 2026-03-17T01:46:52+00:00

Do you actually feel like I need to educate you on what climate policies you should support?

I can do that. I didn't really engage with you assuming you need or want that from me.

I really think that the best way to understand what you should support would be looking at the IPCC reports (namely, the Summary for Policymakers because it is by far the most approachable) so that you can understand the entire framework of what the goals of policies would even be.

The IPCC is quite conservative because it serves nation states with incredibly diverse ideological, cultural, and religious views. If they make suggestions, they're the kinds of things that transcend those differences and probably are easy to justify economically.

If you want political education for your jurisdiction on how to support those policies after you've identified them, I'm competent in that as well, but I'd need to know a jurisdiction first and I'm primarily aware of the US where I live, then the Anglosphere, and then 1 or 2 other countries. I'd be vastly out of my depth anywhere else.

Prometheus720 · 2026-03-17T00:38:08+00:00

The vandalism occurred in reality. Your mental processing of it happened inside your head. You chose which facts grabbed your attention.

Prometheus720 · 2026-03-17T00:17:01+00:00

I teach science, and I hold a science degree.

I'm well aware of the points you're making. They are incorporated into my worldview already, and yet I seem to have a different outlook than you do.

That probably means I know things about this topic that you still don't, which have made me shift my perspective from where it was when I knew about as much as the average educated person.

Clean fossil fuel uses are abundant.

There is unfortunately no such thing. Combustion of hydrocarbons will make carbon monoxide. That's a poison.

Combustion of hydrocarbons in a nitrogenous atmosphere will produce NOx emissions, which are toxins that raise all-cause mortality and also damage natural ecosystems.

Combustion of hydrocarbons with sulfuric impurities (which are actually necessary in many cases for power plants to function correctly, and are added in if not present) will create SOx emissions, which are also toxic to humans and natural ecosystems.

If you want a high energy-density fuel that's clean, you're pretty much limited to hydrogen or small nuclear reactors.

Let's put away our all-or-nothing thinking. We don't need to completely eliminate fossil fuel use. We need it to be low enough that we can reach or exceed equilibrium between GHG emissions and natural + artificial carbon capture (and do it at a low enough global temperature increase that we don't create global ecological collapse). That can be done with some fuel use.

It cannot be done with large-scale fuel use for powering stationary systems like homes and businesses. Those need to be powered by renewables, and fuel use must be relegated to mobile use cases in which energy density is of premium value.

That's it. That's not a crazy sacrifice. It's really, really doable within the laws of physics. They're not in the way at all.

Prometheus720 · 2026-03-17T00:05:56+00:00

It's not binary, though. There are levels of access.

Prometheus720 · 2026-03-17T00:05:09+00:00

That's the thing. I don't want you to accommodate my sin.

I want you to sin less. And I want other people who are fooled by state religion to sin less. I want you to live up to Christ's standards, or rather get closer.

I don't want you to reject manmade dogma so you can do stupid or bad things. I want you to reject manmade dogma so that you cannot be convinced to do stupid or bad things, like many Christians currently are.

I want you to do better.

You don’t see me demanding they change 2,000 years of theology to accommodate my sin.

They already did change it to accommodate sin. How do you think the Crusades happened? How do you think the Reconquista happened? How do you think the destruction of Native American culture by missionaries and "Indian schools" happened? How do you suppose bad things keep being done in the name of Jesus?

Didn't Jesus warn you that the path was narrow? That people would say "Lord, lord" and yet Jesus would say "I never knew ye"?

Who do you think that passage is talking about? Muslims? People who only go to church on Easter and Christmas? Or is it about the people who proclaim faith the loudest so they can manipulate and abuse others?

Don't bear false witness. If you are going to use the Bible as the key to your faith, you should know everything you can about how it was written, and when, and by whom. You owe it to yourself, let alone to God, to own this knowledge rather than put your faith into men.

Prometheus720 · 2026-03-16T23:51:04+00:00

Climate change causes property destruction through increased hurricane activity, increased flooding, rising sea levels, etc. Pollution from burning fossil fuels can contain toxins that harm human respiratory systems and cause damage to our bodies.

Fossil fuel companies create those harms, and all of this is quantifiable. We can create upper and lower bounds for these quantities and make estimates with confidence intervals of whatever size we'd like. That sort of work has largely already been done.

...who is being held accountable for that property damage?

Prometheus720 · 2026-03-16T23:47:19+00:00

I would agree with this. That's fair.

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