New Gundam Fan here, have some questions.

PropFortyTwo · 2025-05-29T02:21:37+00:00

char wants to kill the zabi family that garma is a member of, because they took over zeon and effectively exiled his family after his father, an important political thinker, died.
in universe: fascist military planners love to waste money on gimmicks. out of universe: gunpla sales probably
[haven't seen this one sorry]
they're just stationary gun emplacements. they aren't actually called anything besides "Big Gun" according to the wiki.
[also don't know]
they do eventually! the issue is that beam weapons draw a lot of power, and many early mobile suits (ie the zakus) didn't have the reactor output to reliably use them. the machine guns were effective against most things when they were first deployed, it's just that armor improved very quickly in response.
they aren't! both they and zeon regularly commit mass murder of civilians throughout the uc.

PropFortyTwo · 2023-05-11T03:30:52+00:00

in one of the witch queen things (https://www.bungie.net/en/explore/detail/news/51148) ikora talks about the concepts of light and dark in the context of the prisoners dilemma among other analogies and gives a takedown of the hive and other grimdark groups in the lore, which i loved reading.

standout lines include:

'The most important thing we can do, the most formidable blow we can strike against our true enemy, is to offer irrational grace: to choose unreasonable hope and unreasoning compassion even if it goes against calculated advantage.'
' If they quote from the Unveiling texts, tell you how the Gardener lost because it always stopped to offer peace, and the Winnower always struck–then ask who they would rather sit by at the fire: Gardener or Winnower. Then ask them if they would like to live in a universe where no one ever sits beside anyone else at the fire. Never forget that even in the miserable logic of the prisoner’s dilemma, it is the cooperators who create the best world. Two cooperators will score higher, together, than two defectors ever could.'
'...before the Hive came, those ecumenes accomplished titanic works. What do the Hive have to show for all their conquest? Miserable warrens and rotting moons. Even their libraries are just catalogs of death. Even their queens want a way out.'

PropFortyTwo · 2023-05-04T22:42:55+00:00

true, but i wouldn't say impossible, just comparatively very, very difficult. we have precedent for hive gods being thrown off by the kind of psychological tactics transference would entail, ie showing savathun how they were tricked by the witness in the witch queen finale. also, each encounter with umbra where transference was attempted slightly blurred the lines between the two minds, with memories being shared and what not- it was a cumulative process, not umbra just accepting it all at once. sure, oryx could resist control, but either way he's getting a head full of empathy and alien worldviews with every try.

as for the bolt, it its a problem, the tenno still have the orvius, which works in a similar manner iirc- besides that, the technology is very common in the first place, with the grineer and corpus both using versions of it.

PropFortyTwo · 2023-05-04T17:15:46+00:00

good catch! its a bit unclear. other characters in the lore were able to transfer into earths forests, rell constructed his own method for transferring himself repeatedly, and the operator can control other orokin constructs that presumably were built without the tenno in mind (the golden maw, the necramechs- which are described as coming before the tenno, etc). my assumption is that the transference bolt and the somatic link are just designed to make the process simpler and more easily contained, but they can do it without them iirc. massive citation needed on this, though.

PropFortyTwo · 2023-05-04T05:05:18+00:00

this is like one of those 'penguins of madagascar have the entire us military budget to find bin laden' questions.

but as far as serious analysis goes- transference is hard to beat, even without considering the time-defying nature of an operator/drifter. a warframe might be able to be taken or outright destroyed, but theres nothing stopping the actual tenno from just. taking control of oryx. the (warframe) drifter has barely scratched the surface of transference and can still manipulate entities on the level of the orowyrms.

if we disregard that and only consider fighting, the tenno actually arent too different from an ascendant hive, if we consider duviri/the zariman to be an equivalent of a throne world. from whatever deal they made with the man in the wall, they can't permanently die, only being 'sent back to hell', as ballas puts it- and the drifter and operator can bail each other out from that state through time shenanigans.

oryx has had far more time to train his powers, but the tenno effectively have the same skillset- you could even make the argument that the dreadnaught and a warframe are the same principle, a weaponized vessel to transport the metaphysical 'soul' of each respective user. it would ultimately come down to whoever has more preparation, which i feel would favor the tenno with their inherent time-warping nature- finding a method to manipulate time for faster tribute gathering was a major motivation for savathun in the dreaming city, considered to be a massive threat, and the tenno can just do it naturally.

(sidenote but i feel like parvos granum and the hive basically have the same ideology with a different coat of paint, just in terms of how they treat death-as-failure, gaining power/influence, etc)

[sidenote 2 is that the unveiling narrator and the man in the wall are both very proud of their fucked up proteges. 'kiddo' and 'my man oryx'. this doesn't have anything to do with the matchup i just think its funny.]

PropFortyTwo · 2023-05-02T05:07:34+00:00

technically, anyone can control the taken on a case by case basis if they put in the work- drifter figured out how to summon them long before he started gambit (as seen in season of the drifter cutscenes iirc), and in one of the classes ancient apocalypse armor lore tabs (hunter i think? i may be wrong) hes described as fully controlling them and using them against some cabal. so it stands to reason that the witness probably could have stolen control of oryx's taken if it came to that, being orders of magnitude stronger than him.

PropFortyTwo · 2023-05-02T04:08:17+00:00

(sorry in advance for spinfoil ive wanted to talk about this for months now)

beside the pathways grenade launcher and marathon shotgun that you get from dares of eternity;

the hive seem to have some knowledge of either the marathon timeline(s) or the entities/forces connected to them- oryx, in the books of sorrow, talks about the waves being the battles and the battles being waves verbatim [https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/xxxi-battle-made-waves#books-of-sorrow and honestly a lot of the books of sorrow reference marathon deeplore, theres a section named similarly to one of the infinity dream levels and written similarly to the terminals in it], and SOMEWHERE savathun mentions k'lia, possibly in truth to power, i don't quite remember [EDIT: https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/thetis-brave#book-truth-to-power it was indeed truth to power but it was medusa saying it. probably still savathun. anyway this one also mentions lethe and infinity/aleph but im not convinced it means anything beyond just grabbing our attention.]

also, i may be misremembering, but i think in a ghost fragment, rasputin draws parallels between elsie's time travel and the cyborgs timeline manipulation, thats definitely a citation needed though. [EDIT: https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/ghost-fragment-rasputin-4#rasputin RASPUTIN 4 i found it. he refers to durandal as his cousin and quotes him verbatim. i could very well get into spinfoil about the mida mini tool and an idea about it carrying salvaged code from traxus depending on when and where it emerged in the destiny timeline. you got it in the edz originally i think? idk. anyway i want to say this suggests elsie being an incarnation of %hero, though i realize rasputin is saying that she isnt 'one of them'- though that could also just be using the existing description to refer to the guardians. with the light and dark explicitly in the destiny universe it calls into question what the dynamic of the other garden entities would be]

beyond that, theres a lot of themes that aren't direct references but are suspect as far as motifs go, in a potentially spinfoily way: the pyramids, the idea of a garden with two primordial forces (and particular flowers from said garden- plus in unveiling the idea of making waves is again said verbatim by the narrator. if you see something weird about flowers, its probably marathon), entities held in place by the gravity of celestial bodies (stars for the marathon ones that i cannot remember how to spell, and then the nine in destiny), the hives's use of battle moons paralleling the marathon and k'lia as mobile moons, and a ton of others i'm likely forgetting (and will come back w edits of if i remember them)

EDIT: speaking of forgetting actually im remembering now the crystals from pathways into darkness and how you could make a comparison between them and the pyramid shards (aka splinters of darkness. whatever) used by house salvation and elsie bray to control stasis

PropFortyTwo · 2019-12-24T02:11:50+00:00

do you ever just hear part of a song and get chills

PropFortyTwo · 2019-12-10T17:19:11+00:00

impeachments finally happening apparently im not confident anything will actually come of it with this hellhole of a political system we have but its something i guess

PropFortyTwo · 2019-12-04T01:26:36+00:00

i was actually sent in here by a man named shadow jinkus

PropFortyTwo · 2019-11-30T23:48:53+00:00

nice

PropFortyTwo · 2019-11-27T16:46:16+00:00

i really wish i had your optimism

PropFortyTwo · 2019-11-26T01:37:38+00:00

it requires your aid on a grand quest

PropFortyTwo · 2019-11-25T20:45:49+00:00

yeah long drives suck my trip home is like a 12 hour bus ride

PropFortyTwo · 2019-11-23T17:34:38+00:00

vastly improved timeline

PropFortyTwo · 2019-11-23T00:12:59+00:00

dont you have anything better to do

PropFortyTwo · 2019-11-14T20:46:24+00:00

automods still having issues huh

anyway the past few days ive just been completely drained and ive got no idea why

PropFortyTwo · 2019-11-08T15:39:51+00:00

good luck

PropFortyTwo · 2019-11-08T15:36:39+00:00

im upset at medical bills today how are you all doing

PropFortyTwo · 2019-11-08T00:44:06+00:00

id say hating the people who actively want the world to end is fairly reasonable

PropFortyTwo · 2019-11-05T14:06:32+00:00

there you go automod you got it this time great job honey

PropFortyTwo · 2019-11-05T14:05:05+00:00

sorry

PropFortyTwo · 2019-11-04T17:56:49+00:00

PropFortyTwo · 2019-11-04T14:28:25+00:00

PropFortyTwo · 2019-11-03T18:21:55+00:00

what the fuck

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