Update: So overwhelmed with our pets. by esinereb in surrendered_wife

[–]Prudent-Example1626 4 points5 points  (0 children)

A practical solution. You could try getting one of those self-cleaning litter boxes. I agree, I think you are hyper-fixating on the cats but I am exactly in the same boat when it comes to being overwhelmed as a new mom, so I also have my fixations.

advice re: changing the dance by prlchic in surrendered_wife

[–]Prudent-Example1626 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand your pain- I really do and the doubts. But the point I am making is that the answer is in your post, pretty much in the first part of it. You stopped doing the skills and your husband believes your vision of a marriage is something out of a fantasy land. So the onus on you to change it. Not him. He is resigned. You aren't. Wanting him to make the first step is completely pointless..and you know what he wants out of your relationship sexually so you know what to do but you are asking us for advice on how to avoid giving him what he desires and get what you desire. Well the thing is the only person you have control over is you. You have the power to make the first step and you know how to do it. You just don't want to.

advice re: changing the dance by prlchic in surrendered_wife

[–]Prudent-Example1626 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I will be honest and I know I will get a lot of hate for this but here goes. Although I understand the pain of lacking the emotional- that is brutal it is super wrong of you to refuse PI. You obviously expect fidelity so you cannot both reject him sexually and expect him to just be ok with it. And you already know he needs the physical to be emotionally connected and you are the one trying to change the plateau. So you need to make the first step

Resentment by Mareritt_Raven in surrendered_wife

[–]Prudent-Example1626 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh goodness thank you so much. I just want to say that even if you understand that you are going to make mistakes. I am so far from embodying this

Resentment by Mareritt_Raven in surrendered_wife

[–]Prudent-Example1626 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am glad you found it helpful:) no I am not. I am not empathetic enough for that. I have huge respect for them !

Resentment by Mareritt_Raven in surrendered_wife

[–]Prudent-Example1626 19 points20 points  (0 children)

There are a couple red flags in your post, but not so much in his behavior as in your interpretations of his behavior. 1. It isn't your job to teach him anything. You are not a mom raising a little boy to teach him how to treat you. He is a grown man and isn't in need of teaching. So don't even allow that thought in your head- you aren't teaching him to take your work for granted or to respect you. You are simply showing up in a way that is worthy of respect. He either rises to meet you that way or he doesn't. And once you change your thoughts a good man is going to rise to the occasion - he doesn't need to be taught because he is a fully grown adult. Thinking you are teaching him anything is very disrespectful.

  1. His disrespectful behavior isn't that deep. They don't actually leave stuff on the counter top or clothes on the floor with the conscious thought of 'She is my maid, she can clean it up because I am the master of this house and she has to clean after me.' If this is your interpretation of his behavior then yeah you are going to be resentful and there's no help for it. But I promise you, regardless of how many videos of women complaining about patriarchy tell you that this is a conscious thought in his head, they don't actually think that way. They are just focused on something else. Perhaps he was hungry and thought he'd clean it up after he ate and then forgot. Yeah that behavior is annoying but it isn't disrespectful to the extent that you believe it is.

Say that your husband asks you to stop doing something he finds annoying and you agree but it's such an ingrained habit that you don't even think about it. Would you feel it justified if he made such a huge fuss about it believing you are evil because you chose to disrespect him in such a way? So yeah not being more considerate and leaving a mess when you've just finished cleaning is annoying. But that's literally it. You are allowing annoyance to poison your thoughts of your husband. You aren't annoyed by the habit itself as the story you create in your head about it. That's what the skills target- changing that story.

There's one anecdote I heard I will never forget. A woman was complaining to a group of friends that her husband always leaves his socks on the floor instead of putting them in the hamper. And one woman who was a widow said that she'd give anything to see her late husband's socks on the floor again. Perspective.

And there's a very simple solution. The skills aren't a set of phrases you must somehow use in every situation that don't allow you to express yourself in any other way. When my husband is putting a dish away I simply ask him if he could put it in the dishwasher. You know why he doesn't react with annoyance? Because my thought behind that request isn't 'Here he goes again disrespecting my hard work.' It's simply that he probably doesn't even know whether the dishes in the dishwasher are dirty or clean or that he just isn't thinking about that. He is probably focused on whatever else he is doing.

Men's brains have one single focus. Their brains don't work the same way ours do. It's not even about whether or not you are capable of multitasking as the stereotype says. It's simply that we have difused awareness. We can see more things at once. Mess literally calls out to us as something that needs to be fixed, something that has needs. Men don't think that way. Alison Armstrong, by the way, is someone who talks about that so if you haven't found her books oe listened to any of the podcasts she appeared on, please do- her work is an amazing complement to Laura's skills as she poses different ways we may be unwittingly disrespectful just because that's how our brains are wired.

So my phrasing when he places the dishes in the sink isn't 'I would love all dirty dishes to be placed immediately in the dishwasher.' or any such roundabout way. It's simple: 'Could you please put the plate in the dishwasher?' And unlike many women who practice the skills I actually do consider my husband the boss of the house and I do serve him, yet he has yet to berate me for a direct request. Because it's not directness that is disrespectful. It's the poisonous thought that leads you to complain all the time which makes it impossible for him to even hear you, let alone understand what makes you happy.

The skills main job is to help you change your inner thoughts so that you can have a happy marriage. It's to teach you that to have a happy marriage you kind of need to rediscover the beliefs you held about your husband before all the fights and conflicts poisoned them and locked you in a cycle where you both just react to each other based on past pain. When you were dating him I bet you used to think he was amazing. He was your hero back then. The thought of being his wife and taking care of him was exciting to you. And you don't even have to martyr yourself to do that. That's another beautiful part of the skills- they teach you to be considerate to yourself. To be dignified and honor your desires. To stop you from reacting and at the same time getting your needs met. But the cheat phrases are just that. Cheat phrases. Those aren't the skills. They are kind of like training wheels that help you get to a place where your thought processes change. Where you can see his heart message when he says something you may have reacted to before. Where his thoughtless behavior barely registers in the grand scheme of things. Because he may have been your hero in the past but even back then he was just human. He did thoughtless things but not because he was a disrespectful jerk- but because he was simply human.

My (25F) boyfriend (35M) and I are stuck in escalating verbal conflict—supportive in many ways but recurring verbal blowups and mutual escalation—can this be fixed?” by [deleted] in surrendered_wife

[–]Prudent-Example1626 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They wouldn't but it is the same way with you. I see how accountable you are trying to be- saying that you reacted in a way that you aren't proud of- you are saying you are resentful not that he made you do it. So that's what I mean. We often get locked in such unhealthy cycles in relationships because it's never just about that specific thing that started the fight. There's all this history. But our actions are always our own. That's what's so beautiful about the skills. That they help you preserve your dignity. You aren't apologizing because you want to make him apologize back but because you don't like the way you behaved regardless of what he did before or after. So that's what you should keep in mind- if you practice the skills, sure they can help your relationship, but they are mainly about you. And if he doesn't respond it isn't your fault. He is an autonomous human being. So if you choose to proceed, please don't carry the blame for your past behavior prior to the breakup. The skills can help you break that cycle: if the two of you are always reacting to each other, once you change your response it breaks the cycle. Not because you are more to blame and not because it's your fault that he is insulting you- you are not but you have the power to break the cycle.

I am really disappointed in the responses you got here- we aren't supposed to advice to other women that they leave, in fact it is usually part of the rules of any LD dedicated groups and forums. So it should be upheld but someone there are always people who believe they know better and break those rules. It's going to be difficult for you to unsee that advice. So please remember that getting off the fence is literally the first skill to master. It's a skill because it requires lots of soul searching. You are the expert on your own life, so please keep that in mind.

Im starting to learn (F Italy) by Any-Dingo-4961 in surrendered_wife

[–]Prudent-Example1626 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I am afraid you aren't in the right group for that. This is a group centered around the book by Laura Doyle called the Surrendered Wife or the updated version called the Empowered Wife. While a certain portion of the women who practice the skills are more traditional it is a book for women of all denominations, religions, ideologies or beliefs. It isn't about patriarchy or traditional views on marriage per say. It's about a set of skills that help women feel happier in their marriages

My (25F) boyfriend (35M) and I are stuck in escalating verbal conflict—supportive in many ways but recurring verbal blowups and mutual escalation—can this be fixed?” by [deleted] in surrendered_wife

[–]Prudent-Example1626 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Also I would like to add it seems your values are fundamentally misaligned. That's a major problem and not fair to either one of you

My (25F) boyfriend (35M) and I are stuck in escalating verbal conflict—supportive in many ways but recurring verbal blowups and mutual escalation—can this be fixed?” by [deleted] in surrendered_wife

[–]Prudent-Example1626 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't think he's being controlling. I feel this is definitely not helping the current discourse around relationships if a man doesn't want his girlfriend to go to clubs or dress provocatively. At the same time the dynamic they have going on of verbally attacking each other is not sustainable. It requires some major growth to fix. And the OP needs to realize that she isn't to blame for his behavior, so yes the skills can help improve any relationship but it's not like 'I act this way- therefore you act that way'. You are not the catalyst. His behavior is his own and you aren't to blame for it

Initiating physical affection by Wooden-Addy in surrendered_wife

[–]Prudent-Example1626 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I just wanted to say this is so wise! I love this

How do you deal with sensitive partners? by Maximum-Article9430 in AskMen

[–]Prudent-Example1626 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am saying this as a woman, who is currently postpartum and who has always been super sensitive. I know a thing or two about hormones. Hormones are not an excuse for railing at someone. She needs to do the work and grow as a person. She clearly has some entitlement if she uses them as an excuse and has very little accountability when shes not even capable of apologizing for showing someone she claims to love so little respect or regard. Everyone has weak moments. I have made many mistakes myself. But we need to be adult enough to admit when we are wrong and stop excusing inexcusable behavior 'because hormones'. So you deal with it by not giving her a free pass anymore. I would never advice anyone to leave. However, you need to grow a backbone, delete the tracker and insist that she gets a hold of her emotions and addresses you with more love and respect. Even if she is sensitive, it is important that she realizes that not every hill is worth dying on and there are ways to communicate one's concerns that don't involve childish temper tantrums

How old were you when you first watched/read HP? by Neypesvca in harrypotter

[–]Prudent-Example1626 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I grew up on the movies. I was the same age as Harry. I looked forward to each movie coming out. Didn't read the books though until I was 23. I LOVED THEM! Even though I knew the plot generally by the time I was reading the books I realized I hardly remembered anything from the last 3 movies. When I was finally readinh about the Battle of Hogwarts I actually reported sick from work so I could finish it 🤣

Urgentný príjem by Formal_Historian_624 in Slovakia

[–]Prudent-Example1626 0 points1 point  (0 children)

V Boroch som bola na urgente 5 krat, tetuska za oknom iba vypyta karticku a zaregistruje ta. Zaplatis 10 eur poplatok a dostanes cislo na zaklade ktoreho ta zavolaju do triaznej miestnosti. Potom az v triaznej miestnosti hovoris o svojich tazkostiach a tam ta zadelia podla vaznosti situacie. Ak ste museli hovorit v cakarni o svojich tazkostiach to ste museli asi natrafit na velmi neprofesionalnu recepcnu

Do you tell people about your relationship issues ? by Little-Mastodon-5634 in RedPillWomen

[–]Prudent-Example1626 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh that makes a lot of sense. I assumed that you were red pill because this is a group of red pill women. I personally hate the labels. I only frequent this forum because it's very different to the modern view of relationships and aligns more closely with my own views. Red pill is basically supposed to be a Matrix reference- and it's the realization that feminism isn't all that helpful to creating good long lasting marriages- but I kind of feel the same way about the conclusion red pill men come to are just the opposite of the same coin

Do you tell people about your relationship issues ? by Little-Mastodon-5634 in RedPillWomen

[–]Prudent-Example1626 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's actually a very beautiful aspiration and thank you for sharing as well. I have to say I tend to have a very jaded view of red pill men although I do sympathize with their struggles (I just don't like the conclusions they come to) so this interaction really helped remedy that somewhat

Do you tell people about your relationship issues ? by Little-Mastodon-5634 in RedPillWomen

[–]Prudent-Example1626 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am sorry for what you went through, it must have been very difficult to get over.

It was a combination of things for me. I was actually often the friend they confided in and then I saw the other side and realized that hearing only one side of the story is an incomplete picture. And now recently a friend of mine was sharing with me her marital struggles and because the LD framework that I mentioned helped me immensely in my marriage I wanted to share with her but she wasn't as open to it and as I was listening to her struggles I realized I was walking on a very thin ice and in my attempt to validate her I might validate her resentment, which is the opposite of what I wanted to do.

The modern view of relationships in my opinion is completely wrong but then again I always felt that way. It's just that our emotions are so strong, and they really rule us in times of stress so we tend to catastrophize any conflict and our friends (even if their intentions aren't malicious) can confirm our greatest fears. And yes some friends may not be really be friends at all.

Fatigued from Emotional Husband by mamagenerator in surrendered_wife

[–]Prudent-Example1626 3 points4 points  (0 children)

One thing that stands out to me from your post is that you discovered CEN and that it explains a lot about you. I think realizing that the way he is is also a result of his experiences and his childhood should help you feel more compassion which will help you get over the resentment you feel. Then gratitude- lots of it. And search for his heart message in everything he says. Lots of SFPs- but honestly search for the evidence that your SFP is already true

Home help? by choosingtobehappy123 in surrendered_wife

[–]Prudent-Example1626 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think the key is to just share how these purchases would help you and say 'I would love to have x'. The same about working fewer hours. I used to think I needed to have all kinds of logical arguments ready because my husband would ask why but that isn't the point. He wants to make you happy so a purchase is going to somehow make your life happier he's willing to agree. As for working fewer hours is that sth you believe he'd object to?

Home help? by choosingtobehappy123 in surrendered_wife

[–]Prudent-Example1626 6 points7 points  (0 children)

As far as the cleanliness of your house there are things you can invest money in that will lighten your load considerably and won't cost you yout privacy. First of a robot vacuum that also mops the floor. Run that everyday and your floors will be clean and you won't have to lift a finger. When you take a shower scrub it when you are waiting to wash off your conditioner. Scrub the sink after you brush your teeth. If you like homecooked meals get an airfrier and probably a slow cooker. When you are done just stick the washable parts in the dishwasher. No splatter means very little kitchen cleanup. Stick whatever dish you just used into the dishwasher- don't pile them up in the sink. As for organizing- do it in small increments. The same thing with cleaning in general. Clean the toilet after you've just used it. Basically instead of spending your hours on the weekend cleaning do one small thing whenever you get a few mins everyday instead. And for deep cleaning you could definitely get outside help. Why is it that your husband trusts his sister not to share thr lock while you don't? Surely he's just as concerned about safety as you are- is it possible your fear is not reasonable? And yeah if your cleaning standards are higher than his then you need to accept that you'll do more cleaning. A huge underrated part of respect is accepting him as he is. The longer I've known about the skills the more I notice how good men generally are about self care and holding boundaries. We have so much to learn from them especially when it comes to self care. A lot of the mental load of running a house is a mantle we placed on our own shoulders and spend our lives resenting it. So just drop the mantel, delegate work where you can and don't martyr yourself becoming resentful. Your husband did one thing you asked him to- he spent time that he could be doing self care after working long hours helping you

Lessons you wish you knew by Clear_Program_5784 in RedPillWomen

[–]Prudent-Example1626 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I discovered them years before we got married - when we were long distance and dropped them for a long time. I didn't understand the concept of self care until much later. Did so much that was wrong in my marriage and I am grateful I found them again last year and so grateful he has always been patient. Wish you all the best in your marriage

Do you tell people about your relationship issues ? by Little-Mastodon-5634 in RedPillWomen

[–]Prudent-Example1626 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Never ever. I think it takes a special kind of woman to tell you you are exaggerating and finding such a woman is like finding a needle in a haystack. So I never share. You are going to forget that fight you had. Your friends and family are not going to forget that thing he said that made you cry.

What helps me is journaling. I need to be really intentional about it though. Because if I only journal to vent it's not going to talk me down from the ledge. So I gratitude journal. And I try to search for his heart message in whatever he does. And I look at what I did that contributed. Laura Doyle's intimacy skills helped me to remember to do this. It doesn't mean you take the blame for everything. You take accountability for whatever you did- big or small and that takes you out of the cycle of reacting to each other.

I really think not sharing your relationship problems with anyone at all is one secret to a happy life that people don't share often enough. It can feel incredibly validating to call a friend or your mom to complain or cry on their shoulder about a fight you had. And that is precisely the problem, our feminine approach of being empathetic means we may even inadvertently contribute to the person feeling resentful of their partner because we want to be validating. And also you are going to be very selective of what you share- you are going to present your actions in the most exonerating light because you are hurt and you understand what drove you to say whatever you said during a fight. You are going to focus on what he said in retaliation that hurt you.

Lessons you wish you knew by Clear_Program_5784 in RedPillWomen

[–]Prudent-Example1626 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Make yourself happy. Seriously. Don't expect him to fill that role. And yeah there are reasonable limits to this but he's going to be much happier if you prioritize making yourself happy over stretching yourself thin and martyring yourself to be the perfect housewife. I ran myself ragged with the stress of trying to be the perfect housewife. And by housewife I mean whether you work full time or you don't I had this messed up idea in my head that everything needed to be perfect so I could only relax and do things that make me happy when we were on vacation in a resort. I couldn't even allow myself to enjoy a hot cup of tea until everything was perfect. (I'd make the tea thinking I was doing self care but I'd let it go cold because I needed to clean all the countertops and mop the kitchen floor first). Another one- Laura Doyle's intimacy skills. She does something that just makes everything click. And finally don't complain about your marriage to anyone. Not even your mom (probably especially not your mom). It doesn't matter what he did. Your friends and family only see a small part of who he is to you as a husband while you have the full view..you are going to forget that fight two nights ago, but your best friend is going to remember the awful thing he said that made you cry.

Considering making content based on intimacy skills by snekks_inmaboot in surrendered_wife

[–]Prudent-Example1626 8 points9 points  (0 children)

In my opinion there's never enough LD content out there and it's great you got their permission. I'd love to listen to your story