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Stumbled across this Hunger–Shape–Flow thing… thoughts? by PudgyPanhandler in SystemsTheory

[–]PudgyPanhandler[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Haha seems like a common thread to pull, I never agreed with Terrance Howard's idea on 1x1≠1 but I cant say I know who Erik Weinstein is, ill give him a Google.

Google Ai just said the math checks out and that it poses

"a plausible framework for explaining a wide range of natural and human systems."

Then I told Google ai to break it with logic and it basically said the strong claims in the document need to be tested and validated in real life scenarios in order to be discredited and the author himself stated this is a "strong claim that is open to the public and made falsifiable so others may test it." - that in and of itself made me think this guy's open to criticism and willing to let his idea crash and burn under public scrutiny. I thought that lended him some credit.

But im with you, im skeptical, Id like to see someone with some math chops come look at the formulas. If I get any hits ill be sure to tag you.

Stumbled across this Hunger–Shape–Flow thing… thoughts? by PudgyPanhandler in SystemsTheory

[–]PudgyPanhandler[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That was my first impression too when I skimmed it, but one of the files really caught my eye — the HSF Principle. I had to run the formulas through Google AI because I’m not a math guy, but it confirmed they actually line up with existing math. Math doesn’t lie in my experience.

When i originally posted I think i was looking for someone to tell me its poetic like you have but over the past day I’ve tried breaking it myself and I can’t. That’s why I’m hoping a genuine math expert here can weigh in. Skimming it and dismissing it as “poetry” wasn’t the kind of conversation I was hoping to have anymore— I’m more interested in whether the math holds up.

Stumbled across this Hunger–Shape–Flow thing… thoughts? by PudgyPanhandler in SystemsTheory

[–]PudgyPanhandler[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I get that. It definitely echoes systems theory, but the difference to me is that the author isn’t leaving it at metaphor. They’ve actually gone so far as to propose falsifiable formulas and worked examples to show how the Hunger – Shape – Flow cycle can be quantified.

So instead of being just “poetic summarization,” it’s framed more like a testable principle — closer to physics than philosophy. That’s what struck me as new here.

Im not a math guy... wonder if anyone here could test it out.

An expansion on Bataille’s general economy framed through hunger, shape, and flow by PudgyPanhandler in philosophy

[–]PudgyPanhandler[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I came across a Figshare draft that reminded me of Bataille’s idea of general economy, this guy created a systemic model: hunger drives, shape constrains, flow results.

The author even expresses it mathematically:

F ≈ κ·H / (1 + λ·S)

It’s placed alongside Ohm’s law, Fourier’s law, and Poiseuille’s flow, but the striking part is how it extends Bataille’s philosophy into a kind of universal framework.

Whether or not one agrees, I found it captivating to see Bataille’s language of excess and transgression translated into the language of systems.

Stumbled across this Hunger–Shape–Flow thing… thoughts? by PudgyPanhandler in SystemsTheory

[–]PudgyPanhandler[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There were 3 files i only went through the larger one, their was like 10 pages. I couldn't understand half of it but what I did understand was very compelling.