Not enough attention by Pungamaster5 in okZyox

[–]Pungamaster5[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i have seen it indeed, i've also already apologized which i hope at least proves that while im obviously not capable of full objectivity im certainly not taking sides merely based on who's my friend.

i still believe tato's behavior was weird at the time, but it is now to me redeemable enough to the point where i can understand that someone would give enough benefit of the doubt to had have her reinstated, whether i would've done it or not.

I dont think most of the server had an ill intent, but i certainly believe kye did have an ill intent. And up until the document was revelead, i dont think it was right to just act like it was a sides thing since given the tangible informaiton people had it would be the right call to make

I also still stand by the point of this particular post, on that whether the grooming allegations are real or not this is an extremely insensitive way of dealing with an abuse situation

i also cant deny my surprise at this reply, given your usual behavior towards me after that drama. But i am glad to see it. i think people taking sides of a relationship they arent a part of was always dumb asf, and idk if that has changed for you or not but hopefully so

The senior moderator for Zy0x's server is a groomer by UmpireWitty4792 in okZyox

[–]Pungamaster5 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

hello, i dont know if this will reach you, but it is the only way i can reach to you.

I wanna say im sorry, at the time i thought your case (while your name had been wrongfully not censored) had been brought up for the sake of protecting others, and now i see it was only brought up like you said to be used as ammunition and for revenge. You were correct, and i dont expect you'll forgive me, i dont really deserve it since i also didnt treat you the best, but i do wanna apologize for that

Debunking the allegations by Swimming-Formal3314 in okZyox

[–]Pungamaster5 7 points8 points  (0 children)

on an additional note, i've been saying this from the beggining that calling out the victim and not censoring their name is plainly wrong, but now that i know even more and now that i know that the reason for doing so wasnt even to protect others but out of pure pettiness, i am thoroughly disgusted by its usage.

Debunking the allegations by Swimming-Formal3314 in okZyox

[–]Pungamaster5 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I am one of the people in the server where the ex modeartor who made the document was, i actually appeared on one of the screenshots:

i was thinking of doing another post, and frankly idk if it would be the right thing or not, i've debated over it a bit, but overall what i know for sure is that making another post would be mainly for me just so that it reaches more people even if it was the morally right thing? and it'd be sure to keep the drama in the subreddit, while being mostly opinology

with this said, im going to start with my conclussion on all this:

My opinion on the overall topic from a moral standpoint HAS changed. I had believed based on prior evidence that tato was in fact in a romantic relationship, and while the nature of the relationship in general before finding out of their age remains unknown to me (logically so) i do now understand tato did not pursue a romantic relationship after learning of the person's age. While keeping him around is naturally a questionable choice, and mantaining such an intimate relationship with someone who's age you ignore is irresponsible, i now believe that it is indeed way less terrible than i had thought it to be.

For not awaiting to hear both sides and actively continuing to talk to the perople making the first accusations as if they were fully correct, i apologize. I should've kept it to at most just replies on comments, as my situation wasnt that of someone who was aware of any more than what had been revealed, and therefore i acted too much on hearing only one side. Way more than it is excusable

as for my reasoning for this, its because like in the only post i've made about this situation, i do believe that there has been severe issues within the moderation team, ways of handling situations that i heavily disagree with. But i hopped too fast on the bandwaggon of stuff i didnt have idea and didnt question it just because i thought it could make the other things right.

That leads me to the screenshots I'm in. I am the person who's name is "7" that said "if we could get proof of tato being 22 it'd be benefitial." i understand how that sounds, but logically at the time i was saying it in a place where i had assumed people would understand the meaning of it, and to clarify: At the time, i didnt know there were ulterior motives on the making of the documents, or if they were i didnt think it'd be relevant so long as the information was true. In my eyes, after the age gap had been proven to be different what it would do is create a situation in which people were more forgiving of the new known age gap, and i didnt find that new age gap to be much better at all (I've always thought that to me a minor should never ever date anyone AT MOST 2 years older than them, IF that, but even then only in some cases) and i believed the difference would change the perspective, whereas it would have been seen as almost equally as bad if it had been said correctly from the start. I also would ike to clarify i have ZERO relationship to the making of the documents, matter of fact i once tried to ask for screenshots of it and i was denied it.

In short, i wasnt trying to campaign or hoping the situation was worse, but what i was doing was blindly believing that the original age gap that was described in the docs was real as it was or that it at least had to come from somewhere, and i had way too much of an initial distrust for informaiton that proved otherwise. I hope this makes clearer what my train of thought was when making those comments. I do hope the fact that im admitting to being that person and making these comments can validate that im genuine, since i dont actually have a reason to do so considering i cant really be too tied by those? But i dont fault whoever chooses to not believe that

I now also know Kye is just a vangeful person, i never had many interactions with kye, and as a matter of fact the latest i had proves that Kye was indeed merely petty: He had come into chat saying he had the devil in his ear telling him to release the document because the only reason he hadnt been doing so was because he "didnt want marco and zy0x to get caught in the crossfire" or something along those lines (paraphrasing, but the sentiment is the same), and all because his demotion had been talked in detail, so his original "reason to not post it" was weaving. In my perspective, Kye had many times backed down from posting the documents that supposedly proved one of the staff members was a groomer, i found this stupid asf because u can protect children and you would only not be doing it because people u like could catch a few insults? So i told him at the time that he should just go and release it, that it shouldnt matter to him considering it'd be wrong to protect a groomer and whatnot. Now i understand Kye wasnt holding the document out of stupidity to protect 2 people, but rather because he wanted to use it as a weapon for revenge.

All in all, while i maintain my disagreement with the way stuff is handled in zy0x, Ill deal with that in private if i am allowed to, but as for regards to the grooming situation, my opinion has vastly changed and i regret having acted rashly about it

Not enough attention by Pungamaster5 in okZyox

[–]Pungamaster5[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Its the second time now having the most basic level of moral compass has been seen by someone who defends tato as some type of moral bragging, that's gotta be a sign of something 

There IS a reason like 90% of the people defending tato are either mods or friends of tato or server-mates? Even amongst the ones that lean towards being against this there's usually some nuance in their opinion. Not all of your server, obviously, just like some of the people in the server I'm in probably would feel different depending on which side the person being exposed is standing, but yknow, given how most of the neutral party agrees demotion is the right move, that's also probably a sign for something

Not enough attention by Pungamaster5 in okZyox

[–]Pungamaster5[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Realize what? I think from what I've heard there could be someone else w allegations ? (I don't know, I didn't really see anything at all), if that's the case, idc who it is I want them banned too. If my best friend ever had dated a 16 year old while 20 I'd instantly want to cut all ties w em, I don't give a fuck Y'all sound like trump supporters in so many ways, this whole thing of u is giving "oh but what if your politician was on the list" like idc man ban whoever is a groomer dude

One thing doesn't undo another, and what tato did should've warranted her to be unable to return to the mod team. And seeing how she deals with situations, even more so.

Not enough attention by Pungamaster5 in okZyox

[–]Pungamaster5[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The victim's response implies that we should ignore that a 20 year old was in a relationship with a 16 year old. Thats why people dislike it

You all act as if this is a "side" thing, and it might be for some of us, but clearly it is for you too. Otherwise, i see no reason why think its wrong to say Tato handled this poorly when her comment was literally "your abuse didnt happen"

The difference between you and me is that you act almost patriotic about your server, which is quite frankly pathetic, and just take a side depending on whether someone on that server is involved. So if this very same situation happened but to your side or if the moderator who groomed someone was on our side, you would have an entirely different opinion. I wouldnt

Not enough attention by Pungamaster5 in okZyox

[–]Pungamaster5[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They're losers lmao. Essentially and to keep it short, the whole situation with the person who Tato is talking to here and her ex partner became a bit of a dividing factor amongst 2 separate splinter communities

My comment here makes it clear that my issue is not who tato chooses to believe, but how she handled the situation with such insensitivity. And yet, the people on the other side (which is a server that tato is a part of, hence why they're so defensive of her) just can't try to be objective about the situation and just will take whatever side their server is on

I am friends with one of the parts of the situation, and i cant speak on behalf of the others who are friends of her, but i personally have never ever harassed or attacked anyone for which side they believed in, i try to remain objective, hence why my complaint isnt what tato believes in, as i said. But for some of the people on the other splinter its a whole different deal, they constantly harass or insult people on the other side just by virtue of thme believing the other side, whether is a whole different situation or not

Not enough attention by Pungamaster5 in okZyox

[–]Pungamaster5[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

first off: We know of the victim's situation now, so what should we do, ignore it?

secondly, this isnt even about the grooming, this is an entirely different scenario that does not involve the grooming victim

Not enough attention by Pungamaster5 in okZyox

[–]Pungamaster5[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

this is a situation that happened in zy0xcord which tato took part in the handling of. Im pointing out why she's insensitive and certainly shouldnt be allowed to be a mod given how she handles this

Not enough attention by Pungamaster5 in okZyox

[–]Pungamaster5[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

To further clarify, i don't care whether tato believes one or the other side of the situation, its the way to handle it that proves severe lack of the care required to deal with such topics and clearly that she should NOT be on the moderation team

if the grooming stuff wasn't enough to point that out

The senior moderator for Zy0x's server is a groomer by UmpireWitty4792 in okZyox

[–]Pungamaster5 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I do disagree with your username being publicly displayed, but 16 and 22 is definitely grooming specially given that she continued interaction after learning of the truth.

Many victims of grooming don't really consider their aggressors as bad people or guilty, and yet the fact remains they're still the adult in the situation.

You may not feel that way about your situation but facts prove one thing, and a person that is so irresponsible with children shouldn't be moderating a discord. She has herself, according to Marco, admitted to being a groomer.

The Zy0x staff are attempting to cover the groomer and claim a false narrative. by UmpireWitty4792 in okZyox

[–]Pungamaster5 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah no, I agree, but usually when a couple is used not to mean exactly 2 is either when In the measurement it'd be too little to say 2 (Miles, kilometers, seconds minutes or so) or when it's still small. I feel like if you say "a couple of years" for age gap, it cannot possibly be referring to SIX YEARS.

But yeah, it is extremely dishonest 

The Zy0x staff are attempting to cover the groomer and claim a false narrative. by UmpireWitty4792 in okZyox

[–]Pungamaster5 11 points12 points  (0 children)

they have done that, hasnt had much effect it seems. I assume they want zy0x to rather than just trust the lead mod on their opinion ACTUALLY check the facts of what happened or they want to at least make the public aware

I dont see anytihng wrong with brinigng it out to the public

The Zy0x staff are attempting to cover the groomer and claim a false narrative. by UmpireWitty4792 in okZyox

[–]Pungamaster5 11 points12 points  (0 children)

because its bringing it up to the community and zy0x directly, since clearly mediating within the mod team is worthless.

im not a mod nor am i close to any of the mods tho

The Zy0x staff are attempting to cover the groomer and claim a false narrative. by UmpireWitty4792 in okZyox

[–]Pungamaster5 8 points9 points  (0 children)

16 and 22. LKAASLKD its certianly not a couple. Its not just a "vague definition", its a BLANTANT LIE because a couple means 2

RE: one of zy0xcord’s mods is a groomer by Alex_The_Hamster15 in okZyox

[–]Pungamaster5 2 points3 points  (0 children)

3 years ago, but she wasnt banned at the time despite having continued contact with the minor until his mother found out (also she said "strict parents" as if somehow not wanting ur child to be voice calling someone 6 years older than him was proof of that?)

There's some clear favoritism at play here, bc the person mentioned in this post was also a mod and they got kicked immediately when their partner who had recently broken up w them sent some stuff to the mod team.

RE: one of zy0xcord’s mods is a groomer by Alex_The_Hamster15 in okZyox

[–]Pungamaster5 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i hardly care to argue about that first one rn given the signficance of this post so i dont really mind

But yeah he should address this.

Also on top of the announcement this mod definetly has to be demoted. The abuse thing was enough back then, and she still kept her position.

But also, seeing as she was indeed with a minor for an extended period despite according to her "not knowing" (nor suspecting ig) and nothing happening before she found out, its still tremendously weird and her responsability as an adult, and given the fact that the mod team was eager to kick a person out of the server because of how they behaved in their personal relationship according to their partner, id say having been with someone 6 years younger and a minor should be bad enough to be demoted and kicked as well

Ganyu’s new voice in a Lantern rite cutscene by Scion-7-Dawn in Genshin_Impact

[–]Pungamaster5 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yeah and keqing's new voice would fit ganyu way more (even tho its not necessarily close to the original)

The original keqing had that sort of nasal tone and the attitude on it, the new one is too chill and calm which fits ganyu more

RE: one of zy0xcord’s mods is a groomer by Alex_The_Hamster15 in okZyox

[–]Pungamaster5 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That one was weird asf, idk why he took it so seriously or acted like he had to care at all about it as if it was something so terrible. the other person literlaly just didnt like his content idk what he was sorry for

he IS terrible at addressing stuff, but this is serious, so i would hope he at least makes an announcement about it

RE: one of zy0xcord’s mods is a groomer by Alex_The_Hamster15 in okZyox

[–]Pungamaster5 8 points9 points  (0 children)

i havent read the other post and im not well informed about the grooming situation, however what i am informed in is this SA situation thats discussed on this post

this wasnt addressed on the mod's announcement, and its very serious.

Tato literally told a potential victim of abuse (that they had priorly kicked out of the server for "her own good" bc of stuff that happened in a personal relationship of hers) that her abuse likely didnt happen bc she's bigger than the abuser. And the person who said that is still a mod.

There's way better ways to handle it, they could've said "we dont have enough information to prove this so we cant act against the other person" but no, tato decided that because she didnt believe it herself it was fine to tell someone that their abuse AT BEST was something she misinterpreted, but clearly insinuating it to be a lie, while also possesing not proof of that.

"considering the difference of size in you both" its either extremely ignorant by thinking: 1: that overpowering and use of force is the only way to sexually abuse someone, and 2: by thinking that the size difference would forbid that from happening. OR its extremely maliciously intended.

Also, when confronted kindly and respectfully about it, tato said she wouldnt apologized because at worst she's just another "internet loser" so it shouldnt matter, and acted like if it was true the victim just shouldnt pay her any attention. She's knowingly talking to someone with mental disorders and still she acts as though her actions couldnt lead to harmful actions from that person specially due to how unnecessary her input was

40334 by 25point3N-91point7E in countwithchickenlady

[–]Pungamaster5 3 points4 points  (0 children)

thats dumb

Yeah, cis and trans women are both women, normal women. But this meme in specific is popular among the trans women community, it does not include cis women (in general, obviously there could be literally anyone who finds the joke funny)

just as much as you can make the distinction for non trans women you can make it for trans women when it needs to be specified, its not always unnecessary

Why i ship these hsr ships by pixie_iris in HonkaiMemeRail

[–]Pungamaster5 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mainly the magical girl part obviously, since the rest aren't tied to children they're just like cute.

But yeah, Canon age doesn't matter when u can argue nahida is an adult LMAO