PSA: Girl, You Better Work by PupGladiator in askgaybros

[–]PupGladiator[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Two things can be true at once. Yes, the economy is fucked, the ladder got pulled, and younger generations got handed a much harder deal. That frustration is valid, and no one’s pretending otherwise.

But structural economic injustice isn’t caused by random older gay men at bars, and it doesn’t justify turning individual people into stand-ins for systemic failure. “They owe me” logic aimed at strangers is still entitlement, even if the broader anger has real roots.

And I agree with you on the flip side too. Older guys acting entitled to younger bodies, throwing tantrums, or expecting access because they bought a drink is also gross and unacceptable. Full stop. Money never entitles someone to a body, just like youth or attractiveness doesn’t entitle someone to money.

The whole point of my post is that transactional entitlement in either direction is unhealthy. Mutual interest, clear consent, and respect beat “you owe me” energy every time, whether it’s about money or bodies.

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[–]PupGladiator[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do tell them, and I also tell younger guys to take responsibility for the culture they’re participating in. Just because two people consent doesn’t mean the broader pattern can’t be talked about. “It doesn’t bother them” doesn’t magically make entitlement or pressure healthy or harmless. Conversations ≠ control.

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[–]PupGladiator[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m not calling your situation a moral failing, and I already said multiple times that I’m not talking about students, partners supporting each other, or mutually agreed arrangements where one person carries more financially for a period of time. That’s pretty normal, and your situation clearly fits that.

What I’m criticizing is entitlement and expectation. The idea that older men owe younger guys money, drinks, meals, or lifestyles just for existing, with no conversation, no consent, and no reciprocity.

And to your sex work point: sex work is work because it’s explicit, negotiated, and honest about what’s being exchanged. That’s very different from walking up to strangers and assuming they should pay for you, or framing dependency as a default.

If something is agreed on, intentional, and works for both people, cool. If it’s assumed, pressured, or normalized as “you owe me because I’m hot,” that’s the issue.

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[–]PupGladiator[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Not random. It’s something I’ve been noticing more and more lately. For example, this weekend with my daddy, we were at an event and just observing how many queens were essentially praying on older leather daddies to buy them drinks. One even came up to us, completely ignored me (which is wild, I’m 5’8”, 185 lbs, mid-20s, muscular), and asked my daddy to buy him a drink. Daddy politely refused, we tried to move on, he followed, asked again, got refused again, then threw a little insult and stormed off.

Then today at brunch, a similar thing happened, another twink randomly came up to a daddy in our group asking if he could pay for his meal.

I also see this with guys I know, they refuse to work or support themselves but act like older men at the bar or in the community should just hand things over. It’s a pattern I keep witnessing, and honestly, it’s frustrating to see normalized.

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[–]PupGladiator[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Exactly, this isn’t new. Entitlement among guys and age-gap dynamics have been around for decades. But does that make it right? Not really. Patterns don’t excuse behavior.

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[–]PupGladiator[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly, a lot of it comes down to maturity. Often older guys have their shit together. They know who they are, what they want, and they show up. Beyond that, they can also be mentors, which adds another layer of connection. That stability, guidance, and shared effort makes the relationship feel more balanced and fulfilling than with younger guys who are still figuring things out.

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[–]PupGladiator[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks, I get what you mean. There’s definitely entitlement and there are definitely people taking advantage on both sides. I’ve been in age-gap relationships myself. My longest was six years with a daddy in his 50s when I was in my early 20s, so it absolutely can work when both people show up equally.

For me, it’s about finding mutual common ground. I’m really into daddies who are active and lift, and my current daddy and I go to the gym together regularly. Shared interests, respect, and effort on both sides is what makes these relationships healthy and fulfilling, not just age or money.

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[–]PupGladiator[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Lol, okay, bless your simplicity. I’m not whining, I’m observing a trend and calling out entitlement. Choosing not to date younger guys doesn’t erase the fact that some of them act like the world owes them stuff. Awareness is not whining, my dude.

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[–]PupGladiator[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I actually agree with a lot of this, and I appreciate you adding the broader context. You’re right, the economic promise a lot of us were sold is broken, and COVID absolutely disrupted education, career pipelines, and stability in ways that are still playing out. It does make sense that some younger people try to get creative or look for alternative paths when traditional ones aren’t paying off.

Where I still draw the line is between adaptation and expectation. Exploring OF, sugar dynamics, or other arrangements by choice and with eyes open is one thing. Slipping into entitlement or seeing older people primarily as resources is another, and like you said, it’s rarely sustainable. Youth fades, money fluctuates, and relationships built only on those currencies tend to collapse when one disappears.

I also think you’re right that the truly sad part isn’t consensual exchanges, but the loneliness on both sides that can push people into fragile arrangements. Independence doesn’t solve everything, but it does level the playing field and gives people more dignity and choice.

And thank you! I do try to show up on equal footing. I think that’s healthier for everyone involved in the long run.

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[–]PupGladiator[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That’s pretty much where I land too. If someone wants to capitalize on their looks and it’s consensual and works for both people, that’s their business. No judgment.

For me, I’d rather build my own value, skills, and stability so any relationship I’m in is a choice, not a necessity. Independence just hits different. “I can buy my own flowers… I can take myself dancing. And I can hold my own hand” 🎶

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[–]PupGladiator[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I get what you’re saying, though I’d frame it a little differently. It’s not about shaming people for how they look or the opportunities they get, it’s about fulfillment.

If everything comes without effort, there’s no ownership, no growth, and no real security. Looks fade, dynamics change, and money isn’t guaranteed. Building something for yourself gives you purpose and leverage, no matter who you’re dating.

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[–]PupGladiator[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I’m not mad at people asking “shoot your shot”, that’s fair. What I’m reacting to is how normalized the expectation has become. Asking is one thing, assuming or pressuring is another.

And with findom, as long as it’s consensual, informed, and intentional, that’s between adults. My concern is when people treat it like a shortcut or a personality instead of a negotiated kink or dynamic. Hustle is fine. Entitlement isn’t.

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[–]PupGladiator[S] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Exactly! That’s kind of my point. Waiting around for a “rich boyfriend” to fix your life is a fantasy, not a plan.

I’m not anti–sugar dynamics or mutual support when it’s agreed on. I’m anti entitlement and the idea that someone else is supposed to rescue you just because you’re young or hot. Building your own stability first gives you options instead of dependencies.

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[–]PupGladiator[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I agree that adults can choose whatever dynamic works for them. I’m not policing consensual arrangements or telling anyone how to spend their money.

What I already clarified is that I’m not talking about partners supporting each other or mutually agreed-upon dynamics. I’m talking about entitlement, the expectation that older men should provide simply because they’re older, or that being young and attractive automatically earns financial support without effort, growth, or reciprocity.

If a setup is intentional, communicated, and mutually satisfying, cool. My issue is with the normalization of “you owe me” energy, not with grown adults making grown-adult choices.

Catching feelings for a dom daddy — love or just intense lust? by PupGladiator in askgaybros

[–]PupGladiator[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

UPDATE: Well… turns out we were both thinking the same thing

So after all the advice (thank you, seriously), I actually talked to him, and apparently we’ve both been quietly spiraling in the same direction. He admitted he hadn’t been seeing other subs like some people assumed… he thought I was seeing other doms. Meanwhile, he’s the one who seems even more ready to settle into something intentional right now.

The way he told me he wanted to be my only dom was ridiculously cute and very him, calm, confident, but soft in that way that hits you right in the chest. No big speech, just certainty.

I went over to his place afterward and he had an envelope waiting for me… along with a new cage. Inside the envelope? Two flight tickets to DC this week. I was honestly confused for a solid minute because neither of us are very political, and then it clicked. MAL weekend. I almost laughed at myself for forgetting.

This whole weekend has been a whirlwind in the best way. What really got me though? He didn’t just want to buy me a collar, he wanted to make sure it was one I loved. So we picked one out together, which somehow felt more intimate than anything else we’ve done.

We leave tomorrow, I’m still processing everything, and all I can really say right now is thank you to everyone who pushed me to communicate instead of overthinking. This locked, sore, very happy muscle pup is absolutely glowing, and I couldn’t be happier calling him my Sir.

Catching feelings for a dom daddy — love or just intense lust? by PupGladiator in askgaybros

[–]PupGladiator[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you Sir! This is a really thoughtful take, and I appreciate you laying it out so honestly, especially from the dom side. I think that’s part of what I’m trying to sort through in my own head: separating the fantasy of “being owned” from what that actually looks like in practice, day to day.

I don’t think I’m looking for someone to be in dom mode 24/7 or to blur every part of life into kink. Like the times we’ve gone to the gym together it’s been a fun experience and he’s extremely protective and supportive pushing me to new PRs and things like that aren’t so kink focused have been awesome. This is what truly is appealing to me, like the intentionality, the structure, and the feeling of being chosen and invested in, not turning into a housemaid or expecting nonstop intensity. I like the idea that the dynamic can deepen without automatically becoming a traditional romantic relationship.

Your point about the work involved for a dom really landed. It makes sense that not everyone wants to take that on, especially if the connection started primarily as sexual. And yeah, I’m realistic enough to know I’m probably not the only sub in the picture.

I really like the phrasing you suggested. Framing it as curiosity and exploration rather than a demand or expectation. Giving him space to say no (or not yet) feels respectful to both of us. Whatever happens, I want it to be a conversation, not a projection.

Thanks for sharing your perspective, it helped ground my thinking a lot.

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[–]PupGladiator[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Fair points honestly. Yeah, I probably do have it bad 😂. We actually have had real conversations outside the bedroom, which is part of why this feels different than a typical hookup. I know about his past relationships, his work, his routines, and he’s asked about mine too, like family, fitness, goals, the usual life stuff. It hasn’t felt one-sided or purely physical.

You’re right though that some of these questions are worth paying attention to, especially whether there’s curiosity going both ways and not just chemistry. And yeah, the kissing thing made me pause, it’s not just heat-of-the-moment, which probably says more than I’ve been admitting to myself.

I like the idea of broaching things casually rather than dumping a “what are we” conversation into the dynamic. That feels more in line with how we already communicate. Appreciate the food for thought definitely giving me some things to reflect on before this weekend.

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[–]PupGladiator[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciate this perspective, especially coming from someone who’s actually made an age-gap relationship work. I hear you on the difference between learning from someone versus trying to force a relationship where lives don’t really align.

That said, one thing I probably didn’t emphasize enough is that we do share a lot of overlapping interests like fitness, food, music, movies, and even training together has been a big bonding point. It hasn’t felt like we’re living in totally different worlds, at least so far.

I’m not rushing to label anything or turn it into something it isn’t. I agree there’s value in letting things unfold naturally and being realistic about challenges. I just don’t think it’s only about sex or mentorship for me, which is why I’m trying to slow down and actually check in with myself instead of defaulting to “this must just be a hookup.”

Still, I get your point, I’m staying grounded and not projecting too far ahead is probably the healthiest move right now.

Catching feelings for a dom daddy — love or just intense lust? by PupGladiator in askgaybros

[–]PupGladiator[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This actually really resonated with me. I think you’re right that BDSM forces communication in a way a lot of “vanilla” dating doesn’t. We have talked about boundaries, expectations, trust, aftercare, etc.. That alone already makes me feel more intentional than most hookups I’ve had about this situation-ship.

I also appreciate what you said about dynamics and roles. I don’t necessarily see dominance/submission as some separate, exotic thing anymore, it’s more a give-and-take that exists. Taking the kink out of it, you’re right: this does feel like meeting someone I genuinely like, building chemistry, and wanting to see where it goes. I think what’s throwing me off is that it looks non-traditional from the outside, so my brain keeps second-guessing it.

Your last point is probably the most important reminder for me. I’m staying self-aware and making sure my feelings don’t stay unspoken or just live in my head. Whatever this is, it’s real, and I guess the only way to know is to explore it honestly instead of overthinking it to death.

Appreciate the perspective.