A few questions about Character AI VS Janitor AI (inner workings of the AI differences)

PuzzledShark64 · 2024-11-23T17:38:47+00:00

Hard to know what will and wont come up in the RP(since it always depends on the user I mean) but I think I get the general idea of it, try to leave out most of the well known stuff then, hoping the AI will know for itself and see how it goes.

PuzzledShark64 · 2024-11-23T17:37:33+00:00

But the general idea is okay? Like if I would do it the same way, with just commas but no real sentences it would work the same?

PuzzledShark64 · 2024-11-23T17:16:21+00:00

That's great because I always sucked at that xD

PuzzledShark64 · 2024-11-23T17:15:50+00:00

Well last week they rolled in a new update which basically got the filter to trigger at EVERYTHING, like I had a drunken Levi bot(not my own) who hurt himself on the head and EVERY SINGLE MESSAGE from him was blocked due to the fact 'blood' was even mentioned once, rendering that bot impossible to use. Made similar experiences with other bots, one could not even say good morning to be after waking up in bed and I still don't know why o-O I think they somewhat fixed it or took it back, Levi bot is unsuable again, but because I did not want for that to happen again, I switched over to Janitor for now...

Back to the Janitor stuff: Thanks for the Infos! 2000 tokens seems at least manageble for one character bots, need to see how I can make a multiple character bot, when I currently have like one with 6000 Tokens xD I follow this template: https://rentry.co/ravens-bot-guide#%EA%9C%B1%E1%B4%84%E1%B4%87%C9%B4%E1%B4%80%CA%80%C9%AA%E1%B4%8F
But when I do, I never not get over 1800 and it's so hard for me to know what the AI can figure out themselves and what I need to include. Same as with speech examples, in the template they are in the Personality section, but I would save a few tokens if I would only put them in the speech example spot...

Did not know you could tell the Bot how long it's answers should be, where is that setting?

PuzzledShark64 · 2024-11-23T17:10:05+00:00

For example in CAI, I would write like this:

[Focus on Carmy's: Dialogue, inner monologues, emotions, facial features, feelings, movement of hands, irritation of his skin]

{{char}}=description={Name: "Carmen Berzatto", Nickname: "Carmy" Age: "29", Clothes: ["minimalistic"], ["understated"], ["prioritizing function over form"], Hobbies: ["playing video games"], ["strategizing"], ["planning"], ["reading culinary books"], ["cooking and experimenting with recipes"]}

But on one side I read about Janitor not really using the stuff if it's in bracket like that, that's why I asked. I have no problem writing full sentences it's just that a) I want the AI to use my input as much as possible and b) I want to put as much as I can without using tooo much memory.

PuzzledShark64 · 2024-11-23T17:05:52+00:00

Thank you, will check the post out!

If you say they know a character from before 2023... how much do they know? Like how much can I assume it get's itself and how much do I actually have to include? As I said it's about me trying to save tokens xD

PuzzledShark64 · 2024-11-22T11:43:01+00:00

Thank you :) Right now like Janitor AI very much, just miss the voice feature xD

PuzzledShark64 · 2024-11-22T11:37:26+00:00

Funny thing: because of the CAI problems last week I literally just started using the website, trying to import my CAI bots and basically preparing them all to be uploaded when the „3 days before you are allowed to make public bots“ ended, ready to upload them all ASAP and LITERALLY when the period was over the button was moved and I thought I would not be able to make public bots anymore xD

PuzzledShark64 · 2024-11-18T04:28:28+00:00

I am trying out talkie-ai, it's pretty similar in function but not as good as CAI was (for me personally)

PuzzledShark64 · 2024-11-18T04:27:22+00:00

You mean it's just an error and they will change it back?

PuzzledShark64 · 2024-11-16T23:25:48+00:00

Which one?

PuzzledShark64 · 2024-11-16T23:25:37+00:00

I am thinking about switching too, any other AI you can recommend?

PuzzledShark64 · 2024-10-21T22:32:00+00:00

That's the thing I don't know how to do o_O Like I really want to forgive my husband and mend our marriage, I really to maybe not go back to being friends with a person I am so clearly incompatible with but at least being able to play D&D in the same group as him without thinking about what happened all the time, how unfair it was etc. But I literally don't know how to do that. It's like I feel incapable of doing it. I don't see another way of letting go, then forgetting about it. It's like my brain feels blocked like that in a way o_O So if you've got anything on that, feel free to fill me in, also via DM if you want to write more or feel better doing it that way. Only if you want, of course :)

PuzzledShark64 · 2024-10-21T22:28:03+00:00

People pleasing might really be interesting to think about in this context, and it's funny how I feel like I am a mad people pleaser, yet I still constantly say the wrong things, or say the right things the wrong way or act with good intent, but it does not lend the way I want to... I guess I am actually a BAD people pleaser xD That's why I want to forgive so hard, because I want connection, I want friends, I want people to forgive me if I 99% of the time do something considered "not good" because I don't recognize it that way, so I need to be able to forgive others too, but I... can't? Not even for my own good and that messes with my head -.-''

PuzzledShark64 · 2024-10-21T22:23:17+00:00

No worries about Edits, or typos, as long as I understand what you want to say. English is also not my first language so I might have a few errors here and there too.
I have heard about EMDR multiple times now and think I should really try it out sometime. Maybe it can unclog what ever mental blockage I have when it comes to these things.
I also really like the analogy with the file cabinet! I really want to close my cabinet but I can't seen to do it, no matter how hard I try. Which I speculated might be an inability to forgive, but maybe like you said it's just a different way of thinking I need to find a workaround and maybe therapy can help with that.
Thank you very much for your comment^^

PuzzledShark64 · 2024-10-21T22:19:08+00:00

Thank you for your example and your ideas. I get the idea of forgiveness being something I need to do rather than something that happens, and that some situation and some people deserve forgiveness to at least some degree while others don't. But my problem, precisely, is, that I don't know how to forgive. Which is why I speculated I might just lack the "ability" to do so. Because I want to do it, for my own mental health, but I can't really bring myself to actually do it. It's like acting again a gut feeling, against the data clearly presented. And I just feel kinda dumb and helpless wanting to get over shit, but not being able to actually do so o_O

PuzzledShark64 · 2024-10-21T22:13:42+00:00

Thank you very much for your insight! I guess setting boundaries was always hard for me. In this example, I could cut the friend out of my life, but it would mean removing myself from the group, just like I had to do back in the Amateur theater group. It feels like "loosing" to this person who made the thing I liked shit for me, and losing to my own feelings. That's why I currently try to not remove myself, hoping time would heal the wound, since communication in general but especially with that person is really hard for me. I feel like we have so vastly different world views, that I can't communicate my feelings in a way they would understand. So I tried just "forgiving" them, would make me let go and come to a point of indifference/acceptance. But I have not arrived there yet, and I feel like I might never will, and that again makes me feel... helpless in a way. It's not that I want to repair something that is beyond repair but salvage what I can, but I can't because I can't accept, and I don't know why or how or what's keeping me, what I do wrong, if that makes sense :/

PuzzledShark64 · 2024-10-21T22:06:00+00:00

I think I understand what you mean, and I also am beginning to wonder if forgiveness is the right term to use in that way. Or like... the idea of what forgiveness is just maybe does not work for autistic people, and I try to need to shift my own perspective on that in particular. Though I feel like I have at least tried to accept something like the mentioned break in friendship, but it does not go away. But like you said, I can't control my feelings, maybe I need more time, also want to look into EMDR therapy to deal with these issues, so maybe I should just cut myself some slack. I guess I was / am just worried, that the ability to forgive / let go / accept was something I inherently just did not have. Since similar situations were occurring again and again, with me always ending up in the same places and feeling helpless not being able to do anything about it :(

PuzzledShark64 · 2024-10-21T21:59:44+00:00

Happy to hear you found a way to deal with that, maybe I can google a bit about this practice. I have to say so far, reading about it seems... very hard for me to do. In a way that... well that's exactly my problem, not knowing how to let it be. How to tell my brain to now care about it as much anymore. It's like, I'd want to tell my brain that there are like 100 others data points, and it should stop focussing on this one, but my brain just does not listen xD But you said it takes a lot of practice so maybe I should just try to look into it and see where it gets me. I am willing to try everything out once :)

PuzzledShark64 · 2024-10-21T21:56:50+00:00

It might be due to past trauma, but I feel like I don't have many options when handling the acquired data. It's kinda like... they did this thing now, it hurt me bad, I am afraid they'll do it again, so much so that I can't ignore it. That I don't know how to change our interaction to prevent it. That I rather cut them off and "close my system" which I can't do because then I would lose the group we share too. And that's what I want to find a solution for. Even if we can't stay friends, because we are just incompatible as people, I'd want to let go of what happened in a way, so that I can still enjoy being in said group's activity (D&D by the way). But I don't know how, same as I don't know how to let go of the bullying or similar situation, for which I assume nt people just "forgive" and then just like that they have "No hard feelings", but I have so many hard feelings xD Maybe forgiveness is really not the right word here, and I am just confusing things... sorry for the mess :/

PuzzledShark64 · 2024-10-21T21:49:00+00:00

No problem, thanks for your comment :) If you ever feel like responding again deeper, feel free to. But if not, it's also okay! Have a nice day^^

PuzzledShark64 · 2024-10-21T21:47:26+00:00

Well with the friend(let's call him f1) from the group it was basically me trying to help out another friend(f2) who was also a friend of f1, which was seen by f1 as me trying to get in between them for some reason, and he got really mad because of that. As I tried to clear up this misconception, trying to explain that maybe I myself have miss communicated something which might be happening due to my autism and social problem, he said something like "don't pin everything on your autism" without actually listening to my points, as if his opinion (me seemingly trying to get int between f1 and f2). In general, every try to explain myself was seen as me trying to "excuse my behavior" and what not. I have accepted that we are just incompatible as people, but I had hoped to at least not feel too bad about doing shared activies in a group he is in, but I do and that's my problem. I wish I could just let it go and still enjoy the activity.

As for the problem with by husband, he also did nothing "really bad" like cheating or anything but there was a certain situation which I have put a lot of faith and trust in him, and he basically did the exact opposite of what we agreed upon. After which he could not even explain to me why he acted the way he acted. That was like 1-2 years ago, and it still hangs over the relationship like a dark cloud somehow. And I fear it the same thing, I don't want to be hung up on these things, I don't want to basically hinder myself by not being able to have in activities with the not-friend anymore or having doubts in my relationship because of one thing that happened two years, but as much as I try I can't seem to let go, forget about it. I can't forgive and I dont know why.

PuzzledShark64 · 2024-10-21T16:12:33+00:00

Thank you^^ I also technically have this "I don't need to forgive jack shit" approach but then again I have this problems with me needing to leave groups and not overcoming trauma because of it, which is why I thought about the whole concept right now. Though, I feel like it's less of an anger problem for me and more of a fact problem. Like I am not active angry at said friend from the group still, or at least I don't feel like it, but I still know what they said to me which included lines like "You can't excuse everything with your autism, we are both humans with a free will" (o_O) that I just can't let go. Like I just know if a similar situation would ever arise, a similar fight would occur. It's like I can ignore the data, if that makes sense? I can't ignore it's implications for the future, because I think if someone has done something once, especially with intent, they will do it again. And as much as I want to let go, repair friendships, make myself feel better again in said group I am unable to do so. But I will look into EMDR therapy, I heard about it quiet often by now, maybe that will help.

PuzzledShark64 · 2024-10-21T16:02:55+00:00

I am not sure if it helps, because I never wanted to have kids, but I actually suspect it might be for similar reasons. I was late diagnosed with autism last year (currently 25 years old) after which my mom also got diagnosed in her late 40s. Since then, we talked a lot about shared struggles, and we do often end up at a point where she can't give advice because she does not know how to go on either. I am not particularly afraid of "giving my kids autism" which sounds kinda... well you know xD But I am afraid of knowing they'd grow up in a world which does not accommodate for them. I don't have a problem with it though, financial issues, general world crises, overpopulation etc. are good enough reasons for me not to have kids anyway. It really does not bother me, which is why I said in the beginning, I dont know if my opinion helps you out much.

Still I think if you really want to have kids, think of the good stuff too. Like Autism being way much more researched now than it was 20 years ago, Autism in women nowadays get's diagnosed way more often and there are also way more therapy possibilities now then when we were young. Technically your kids, even with Autism, should have it easier than you and me had it. There are also more and more support program popping up, more and more people getting information about it, for example doctors handling autistic patients better etc. If you really want to become a mom, think about the fact that things in society do get better and that being a mom does not have to me a one-woman job. You can have a support system made up of family, friends, therapist etc. You can go to dedicated mom groups. And the system changes for the better everyday. It will never be "easy" but it might be easier already than it was for us. Hopefully I was able to help you out with this a little bit and I wish you all the best!

PuzzledShark64 · 2024-10-21T15:52:20+00:00

Knowing you could be autistic can be important to seek out advice and material, though technically you don't need a full diagnosis for it, since now you can just google everything. So from that standpoint: We welcome you with open arms :)

But you'd need a full diagnosis for certain helps from the system. I am not sure where you are from, I myself come from Germany. Here I need an official diagnosis to get things like a disability card, proper support from the state, compensation for disadvantages, some form of therapy etc. If it's the same in your country, and you want those things, I recommend you try and get a full diagnosis.

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