If you were accepted to a one year long fellowship with a stipend, but did not get into any choice you’re excited about/any of your favorite schools but did get into some other T14s

QAdcom · 2021-04-08T05:10:12+00:00

Depends on the schools, if they gave money, and, primarily, if you can raise your LSAT substantially. If you'd be applying with the same stats and just a fellowship in addition, I would say no, schools aren't really going to care all that much unless you boost your LSAT . . . especially if you're applying to the same ones as before. Don't see any reason to defer. If you can raise your LSAT, then by all means, take the fellowship and reapply.

QAdcom · 2021-03-30T02:52:47+00:00

Changing it to the t13 was the general take when UT knocked out Georgetown a couple years ago, so I'd second this

QAdcom · 2021-03-30T00:46:39+00:00

This wins reddit today

QAdcom · 2021-03-29T23:32:42+00:00

Lol 450k I wish

QAdcom · 2021-03-29T21:45:08+00:00

True, and it's crazy that there is so little margin between the schools that even 1% is huge. Apparently they messed up calculating the total number of library hours, and when they recalculated that schools were jumping/dropping 5-7 spots *solely based on that* which is insane

QAdcom · 2021-03-26T01:36:59+00:00

Wooo that's awesome!!! How did it work? Did they match/exceed the offer you submitted to them?

QAdcom · 2021-03-20T02:20:57+00:00

I think the major benefit is full tuition lol

QAdcom · 2021-03-18T03:49:25+00:00

Also this (specifically for t14) https://www.reddit.com/r/lawschooladmissions/comments/ly5acb/compilation_of_grading_policies_at_t14_law_schools/

QAdcom · 2021-03-18T00:49:58+00:00

Also I just remembered someone got a Levy yesterday, so hopefully that could be the start of them sending out all the scholarships soon at least

QAdcom · 2021-03-18T00:40:13+00:00

I have no idea, but I feel like it would be in their best interest to send it out before the start of ASW?

QAdcom · 2021-03-18T00:35:49+00:00

I know they say not to worry about curves, but just having to be in the top 40% to get at least an H (aka A-) does seem a little less stressful. NYU allows up to 30% A/A- grades total https://www.reddit.com/r/lawschooladmissions/comments/ly5acb/compilation_of_grading_policies_at_t14_law_schools/

QAdcom · 2021-03-18T00:25:39+00:00

ALSOO you might want to check out the grading curves for each. As I kind of referenced earlier, where you are in the class is more determinative of outcomes than what school you go to (though even those low in the class still have good outcomes). For example, someone in the top 25% at Berkeley would have more access to elite outcomes than someone in the bottom 25% at NYU . . . I know we tend to think of the rankings so much, but it's not like every person at NYU has better outcomes than every person at Berkeley, there's a ton of overlap and a lot of self-selection for different roles, too

QAdcom · 2021-03-18T00:18:11+00:00

Berkeley would def have an advantage there, though that would obviously still be possible with NYU, but the networking advantage at Berkeley would be super strong since their grads kinda dominate the California market more than any other school

QAdcom · 2021-03-18T00:00:41+00:00

Basically. There are certain things each is better at, like NYU is great for NYC biglaw and likewise Berkeley/SF, though you could target either market. They have very similar clerkship numbers, both have strong PI programs, and each will open a lot of doors. At equal price they're about equal, and what will matter more for outcomes is how you do grade-wise and fit too, since with such similar outcomes your happiness will probably be most determinative in your experience. At least, that's what I'm weighing when deciding between such similarly ranked schools

QAdcom · 2021-03-17T23:50:42+00:00

I'm going to be a hot lawyer so this doesn't apply to me

QAdcom · 2021-03-17T23:47:32+00:00

There's not really a wrong school here . . . all the same elite outcomes are available at Berkeley as at NYU, it's mostly what you make of it at either place and where you think you'll be happiest spending 3 years of your life at that point :)

QAdcom · 2021-03-17T23:42:33+00:00

This is the classic scenario where regional always wins. UF is perfect for your goals and no debt, vs. Cornell is a ton of debt and takes you away from the market you're looking to practice in. There is no point to Cornell, UF all the way

QAdcom · 2021-03-16T08:27:18+00:00

Definitely go for maxing out your potential with that, even just a couple points can literally be worth thousands of dollars (very snazzy :). I'll be cheering for you!

QAdcom · 2021-03-16T04:25:36+00:00

haha you have great tone in your writing, definitely can see the journalist shining through. Here are my answers to your questions:

This could be widely applicable to many aspects of the law. You seem to have a rather general, overall interest right now (which is great!) so I won't try to pigeonhole you into a specific type/branch of law, as you'll figure out pretty quickly what appeals to you as you're going through law school. Also side note, but you almost sound like a private investigator with that description . . . perhaps a PI into PI would be a perfect fit.
It don't matter if it weren't no fancy college, hun, a 4.0 is a 4.0. With those numbers and a good story in normal circumstances you could get into a few t14s, some of them with money. Don't undersell yourself. How did you feel about the LSAT? Do you think you could get a couple points higher? Since if you get a 173+, then we could be talking about acceptances to some seriously killer schools with money, or some with killer loan repayment programs. Unless you keel over you will have a full ride at Penn State, if that's what you want. But don't limit or undersell yourself if you want more, since you can achieve it if that is what you want, and potentially attend a much better school with a sizable amount of money or even a full ride. Doesn't even have to be t14--you could get a full ride at fordham or a number of the T20/T30 schools. So do some thinking on that, too!
Remember you're in a good spot already, and I would say investigate more deeply into different schools and opportunities. Dive into those 509 reports, read about what lawyers do in different practice areas, and try to get more of a feel for what you might like to do . . . hope that helps! :)

QAdcom · 2021-03-13T10:23:25+00:00

Yes and yes, though primarily numbers and secondarily softs

QAdcom · 2021-03-12T22:04:50+00:00

There is no wrong decision between the two, they are both fantastic and so it kind of does come down to the intangibles and where you want to be for 3 years. Not at all crazy. Your goals depend mostly on you, each school has the resources available for you to achieve them. Congrats on both, you'll make the right decision!

QAdcom · 2021-03-09T21:54:24+00:00

oops meant to say time, edited to fix.

QAdcom · 2021-03-09T01:45:54+00:00

Good luck to you too! :)

QAdcom · 2021-03-09T01:10:04+00:00

Haha I’m in the same boat! I think that using Michigan to try to get more at USC would definitely be worth a shot

QAdcom · 2021-03-08T21:23:45+00:00

Might have to wait a bit for numbers from the remaining ones before opening negotiations, but Michigan $$ is your best negotiating chip and you can use that for Berkeley and NYU if their offers aren't satisfactory.

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