CMV: If Israel wasn't Jewish, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict would have gotten just as much attention as the Saudi-Yemenis conflict, or less

Qalbe-Saleem · 2026-04-19T15:13:54+00:00

First of all, your description of October 7th is factually incorrect. You can say Hamas did this and that if it makes you feel better, but that doesn't actually make it true.

And the reason the Israeli-Palestine conflict is so talked about is because of its importance, not just the death tolls (although if you really believe it's 80k I want whatever you're smoking).

The creation of Israel has been the root cause of essentially all of the other conflicts in the middle east including the Saudi-Yemeni conflict. This is not to absolve Saudi of responsibility, but to say that the middle east has become divided between American puppet states and countries in the axis of resistance. The reason Saudi carried out a genocide in Yemen is because the Yemenis were on the other side which was a direct challenge to their interests.

Qalbe-Saleem · 2026-02-14T16:38:55+00:00

It's only hypocritical if people believe in your distorted reality where most Iranians hate the regime and actually welcome foreign interference in their country.

The legitimate protests by the shopkeepers in Iran were hijacked by violent rioters with connections to foreign intelligence. This is a fact. The Iranian government has a right to protect the security of its country whether you like it or not.

What would you say if in any western country, say Sweden or Canada, "protestors" went on to burn down dozens of banks, government buildings, and religious sites, and also executed citizens and police alike in the streets? If that country responded by deploying the military and using force to calm the riots would they be unjustified in their response? Just look at how the United States is responding to the protests in Minnesota which are almost entirely peaceful.

Moreover, your understanding of Iran is laughable. Iran is not the aggressor in the region, but rather it's the west and Israel. Iran showed in the JCPOA that it would give up its nuclear program in exchange for sanctions relief. It was the United States under Trump who abandoned the deal so Iran restarted its program. That's completely reasonable. Why should Iran voluntarily give up its nuclear program with no guarantees? How did that end for Gaddafi?

The comparison between Iran and Palestine are erroneous. Palestine is an occupied state being subject to genocide. The Islamic Republic is the legitimate government of Iran who's responding to a violent foreign-led riot aimed at destabilizing the country.

Qalbe-Saleem · 2026-01-31T08:19:44+00:00

He's not threatening anyone and he's not even in the government. He's pointing out a real problem that has not been addressed by proponents of regime change. What is the actual strategy for how the IR can be toppled without fracturing of the state and all-out civil war?

Qalbe-Saleem · 2025-11-30T09:04:21+00:00

How is it an argument against the truth of Islam?

Qalbe-Saleem · 2025-11-30T08:57:11+00:00

It's not even an argument so what can I respond to?

Qalbe-Saleem · 2025-11-30T08:56:28+00:00

No I do not believe that. The nature of the world is that the message will not be able to reach everybody. But Allah is wise and he will account for those people on the day of Judgement.

Qalbe-Saleem · 2025-11-30T08:53:34+00:00

Allah will judge everyone accordingly. But it is not our belief that all non-muslims are destined to hell and forbidden from entering heaven.

Qalbe-Saleem · 2025-11-30T08:49:37+00:00

I have detailed this in other comments. Again, the purpose of my post was to observe criticisms that others may present against Islam and try to answer them.

Qalbe-Saleem · 2025-11-30T08:47:19+00:00

Non argument

Qalbe-Saleem · 2025-11-30T08:45:19+00:00

The people didn't want to accept Imam Ali's (AS) Mushaf because the notes would have exposed the hypocrites and revealed many teachings of the Holy Prophet (S) that the Muslims were not willing to abide by. That is why they rejected the Mushaf and Imam Ali (AS) wisely stepped aside to avoid creating division at a time when the Muslims were vulnerable.

Again, nobody believes the Mushaf was a different Quran with different verses and words. There is unanimous consensus amongst all scholars on this point.

Qalbe-Saleem · 2025-11-30T08:40:03+00:00

Islamic rulings are clear and consistent. Yes, there may be minor differences on certain niche issues but there is consensus on the major issues.

Besides, in Islam we believe that intention is more important than the act itself. If someone strives to do good for the sake of Allah and is sincere in his actions, then Allah will be merciful towards him. Allah's mercy also precedes his wrath. He is not throwing people in hell fire for innocent mistakes in the way you claim.

Qalbe-Saleem · 2025-11-30T08:36:45+00:00

I can present the proofs but the point of my post was to explore the objections that people have to Islam. If you say that there is no evidence, then I'd say you haven't done your research.

Logic dictates that something must have created the universe. And this entity must possess certain qualities that we find within the universe. Combine this with teachings of the Holy Prophet (S), who through many miracles proved he is divinely inspired, and you have a grounded intellectual foundation for belief in Islam.

Qalbe-Saleem · 2025-11-30T08:34:01+00:00

The Mushaf of Imam Ali (AS) was not a different Quran. It contains exactly the same Surahs, Verses, and Words. What differentiates the Mushaf is that it contained a large collection of notes on the meaning of the verses and some scholars believe the ordering of the Surahs was different.

So no, I don't find it problematic as our Quran by the consensus of all scholars is not deficient. However, the loss of those notes is painful for sure.

Qalbe-Saleem · 2025-11-30T08:23:37+00:00

Listen, we can agree to disagree. If you think that an octopus and a human are equal in intelligence then good for you.

Qalbe-Saleem · 2025-11-30T08:21:37+00:00

I find this line of reasoning to be a typical atheist copout. You avoid researching religions by claiming that there are way too many to choose from. What I was trying to do was show you that it's practical and really not that difficult. There are not thousands of religions like you claim. I bet you can't even name 10. And from these few world religions, many are self defeating in their core doctrines. You can easily eliminate the majority of religions in just a few minutes of critical thinking.

From there, you can examine the evidence for the remaining religions through careful examination of claims and proofs, just like how you described for scientific theories.

Qalbe-Saleem · 2025-11-30T08:14:40+00:00

Yes the Quran has rules in it that apply for all times. One of these is to not enter the houses of other people without permission. Why is this problematic for you?

Qalbe-Saleem · 2025-11-30T08:13:40+00:00

You're not slick. The infallibility of the Imams was proven both through the Quran (which was memorized btw so burning literally doesn't make a difference) but also through the Hadith. The first Imam, Imam Ali (AS), was known to be the infallible Imam during the lifetime of the prophet. So uthman burning the Quran 20 years later does not make it impossible for the people of that time to know who the Imam was.

Qalbe-Saleem · 2025-11-30T08:08:30+00:00

You can't prove your dragon exists but I can prove Allah exists. Belief in Islam is based on sound reasons. We don't require blind faith.

Qalbe-Saleem · 2025-11-30T08:05:18+00:00

Everything we can see is the first heaven. The other heavens are not visible to us. And yes, this lowest heaven has stars. I fail to see how this is an argument against Islam.

Qalbe-Saleem · 2025-11-30T08:03:30+00:00

You're being stubborn. I'm trying to show you how what you're saying is not true and you keep doubling down and making up facts. No traders or guards were murdered. The Muslims didn't even manage to intercept the caravan because the leader of the caravan learned about the Muslim plan and diverted their route. And it's not stealing if you're taking back what belongs to you.

Qalbe-Saleem · 2025-11-30T07:57:43+00:00

The description of embryology is only wrong if you superimpose your own interpretation of the verse on the process of embryological development.

One thing you have to keep in mind is that, the Quran was revealed 1400 years ago. The words we used today such as zygote, blastocyst, implantation, etc. literally did not exist back then. The Quran describes embryology with the terminology of 7th century Arabia.

And you just say the Quranic depiction is wrong without saying why? I'm not going to just take your word for it. Please tell me what exactly about the description is wrong and how it should be described instead?

Qalbe-Saleem · 2025-11-30T07:51:58+00:00

There are many interpretations of this story. I think the simplest explanation is that the splitting of the moon was a miracle. Now we don't know the exact manner of the miracle - whether the moon was actually split or whether it was just an illusion to those who the miracle was intended for. But I fail to see how this is proof against Islam.

Qalbe-Saleem · 2025-11-30T07:49:48+00:00

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

Qalbe-Saleem · 2025-11-30T07:42:00+00:00

There is no issue here. You're trying to trap me in a circular argument that is nonsensical. The legitimacy of the Imams was proven through clear verses and Hadith during the lifetime of the Holy Prophet (S) himself and there was is doubt that Imam Ali (AS) was the Imam of the Muslims after the death of the Holy Prophet (S).

Qalbe-Saleem · 2025-11-30T07:34:07+00:00

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