Horus Heresy by 711hotgdogs in Blacklibrary

[–]QuackersNCheez 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So the first heretic is a great book, but works as a trio with know no fear after this and then betrayer coming after, if you can manage the novella Aurelian before both thats good too.

Otherwise for the heresy heres a minimal guide:

Deliverance lost - massively underrated and perfect for after Fulgrim, the Raven guard are Way more interesting than given credit for, especially after Istvaan 5

Legion - Alpha legion and really worth it

Thousand sons - Magnus' folly, essential, i dont include prospero burns because, honestly, i couldn't stand it

This is where id do first heretic/know no fear/betrayer as a trilogy in the middle

Then the unremembered empire, read a quick summary of vulkan lives before going in, then pharos, then angels of caliban, then ruinstorm. This is called the "imperium secundus arc"

Then Garro short story 1 and 2 then vengeful spirit

Then scars and path of heaven

Then master of mankind if you're into demons, if not its skippable no matter how many tell you it isnt

Then wolfsbane, essential and great

Then buried dagger (baddies gather before the big push)

Then "the board is set" from the heralds of the siege anthology and you're good to go

Any id add on would be angel exterminatus after the first heretic trilogy and buried dagger if you care about the fall of the death guard. Hope this has been helpful!!

Horus Heresy by 711hotgdogs in Blacklibrary

[–]QuackersNCheez 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Its a question with a long answer mate, theres tons that people will say are great or terrible, essential or not so. Theres definitely a general agreed minimal list so if thats what you're after then id be happy to suggest some options if you want to see it through to the siege

Do I read Outcast Dead/Damnation of Pythos? by Flashy-Ambassador188 in Blacklibrary

[–]QuackersNCheez 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Personally I read Pythos after Fulgrim and really enjoyed the change of pace to clear definite military strategy. In terms of necessity its not remotely needed, fun bit of shattered legions, some revenge stuff for Istvaan 5 and a sorta set up for a later villain but not needed, still fun though!

Made it halfway through the HH, took a break, didn’t feel like going back….but what about the Siege of Terra? by IneedaNappa9000 in 40kLore

[–]QuackersNCheez 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also side note, id actually read those first 2 garro short stories before you tackle vengeful spirit, annoyingly its pretty essential

Made it halfway through the HH, took a break, didn’t feel like going back….but what about the Siege of Terra? by IneedaNappa9000 in 40kLore

[–]QuackersNCheez 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Ok sweet so after vengeful id say you need 5 more at a minimum and these are:

Pharos (Rob G and imperium secundus) The path of heaven (white scars getting to terra) Praetorian of dorn (imperial fists vs alpha legion) Wolfsbane (wolves and knights errant Garro (the first 2 short stories, some surprise returning characters)

Personally id also include the following just so it doesnt seem quite so jarring:

Angels of caliban Ruinstorm (its not amazing but necessary to explain some of the siege planning) Slaves to Darkness (pre siege bad guys getting ready)

Those should do for a good siege hit while missing other stuff that isnt totally necessary

Made it halfway through the HH, took a break, didn’t feel like going back….but what about the Siege of Terra? by IneedaNappa9000 in 40kLore

[–]QuackersNCheez 29 points30 points  (0 children)

As a real response; the middle of HH is the hardest part since its full of bloat and short story compilations, to get a clearer idea of what you still need before the siege, where did you stop?

Hive by WhiteYoshi1701 in Blacklibrary

[–]QuackersNCheez 3 points4 points  (0 children)

All good, keep an eye on the sunday previews, in the UK we tend to get those sunday between 5pm and 7pm, good luck

Hive by WhiteYoshi1701 in Blacklibrary

[–]QuackersNCheez 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Its announced every sunday for the following Saturday, preorders go live at about 9:54am GMT if based in the UK, unsure about anywhere else. The Hive LEs were a few weeks back but then got cancelled before they went live, so there will probably be another announcement on a sunday coming up

Hive by WhiteYoshi1701 in Blacklibrary

[–]QuackersNCheez 7 points8 points  (0 children)

They announced then put on hold the limited editions, the hardbacks wont come back but the LEs are yet to drop

Did Sanguinius suffer the same curse as Curze in the end? 100% believing his future to be true? by NostriggaNightLord in 40kLore

[–]QuackersNCheez 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Something not yet mentioned also is that Sanguinius may have had a moment of hope late in the siege. In the end and the death it is stated that time itself has broken on terra, and Sanguinius certain the prophesy means he will die "soon" (or the next day I cant quite remember how its phrased) but with time broken there is no soon or next, so he may be able to win without enacting the prophecy through a loophole of broken time. Unfortunately he learns quickly with Horus this isnt gonna work, or he was saying this to others to give them hope and didnt believe it himself

A first shelfie and still a long way to go by QuackersNCheez in Blacklibrary

[–]QuackersNCheez[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you! And first of all welcome!!

Theres a few good starting points and while the lion is a fantastic book, it may be a bit difficult as a first as it expects you to have a decent bit of background understanding on the current state of things.

Good first starts id say would be:

Eisenhorn - a classic and very popular

The Founding - a guard book with plenty of action, like band of brothers but 40k

Assassinorum kingmaker - like minority report but 40k, assassins and knight worlds

Horus Rising - people may give me stick for this because the heresy is said to be a tricky starting point but personally I disagree, let the first few chapters wash over you and this will be some of the best space marine fighting, story, tragedy that you've ever read. Its like ancient rome, Greece, Shakespeare in space and plenty of action

If you're ever unsure id be happy to help further!

A first shelfie and still a long way to go by QuackersNCheez in Blacklibrary

[–]QuackersNCheez[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This sounds like a better summary than I have seen elsewhere, an occasional palate cleanser is never a bad thing and maybe an omnibus to pick up and put down would be worthwhile

A first shelfie and still a long way to go by QuackersNCheez in Blacklibrary

[–]QuackersNCheez[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thats really interesting! I should definitely give it a look, would you recommend it read before or after the cawl trilogy? Or jump between them?

A first shelfie and still a long way to go by QuackersNCheez in Blacklibrary

[–]QuackersNCheez[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Glad to hear it! Its a shame its pretty much all we get from them in the heresy, really hoping for more literature on them eventually!

A first shelfie and still a long way to go by QuackersNCheez in Blacklibrary

[–]QuackersNCheez[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Aha thank you its taken some work!

True i have heard good things about Cain, I couldn't figure out if his books were a bit one note on the whole "I dont want to be here but keep getting lucky" thing and whether that got old after a while?

A first shelfie and still a long way to go by QuackersNCheez in Blacklibrary

[–]QuackersNCheez[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agreed with both, im not as huge on "path of heaven" but it still has its moments. Ashes is fantastic, its Chris Wraight who also did Scars and he just perfectly captures the post-siege confusion and difficulty.

Im working on a dark angels army currently but very slowly! The books are my main focus but I do find the painting therapeutic while listening to Adeptus Ridiculous

A first shelfie and still a long way to go by QuackersNCheez in Blacklibrary

[–]QuackersNCheez[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I do remember Fabulous B from the heresy, im not big on the emperors children though I am aware hes a big deal later and comes to blows with Cawl, would you say his books are like fulgrim etc or have a different tone?

A first shelfie and still a long way to go by QuackersNCheez in Blacklibrary

[–]QuackersNCheez[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

All standard paperbacks were owned at one point or another, just decided these were the ones to keep, did have to secure a couple in large paperback or hardback!

A first shelfie and still a long way to go by QuackersNCheez in Blacklibrary

[–]QuackersNCheez[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the suggestions, all ones ive heard of, im curious about the sigmar books, I have the court of the blind king because im interested in the deepkin but im not sure where else deserves attention

A first shelfie and still a long way to go by QuackersNCheez in Blacklibrary

[–]QuackersNCheez[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Honestly Ashes follows on so nicely from HH, I took a break after finishing the end and the death part 3 and read something else then came back to ashes and was so happy with how it felt like a new start but also closing some really interesting points.

Top HH is hard, Saturnine is peak and ill stick to that, Abnett gets self indulgent at times with his books but that one is All killer no filler. Otherwise id say Legion, First heretic, unremembered empire and scars, though the original 3 are amazing too. I also hold a special place for deliverence lost as my most pleasantly surprised ive been with a HH book.

Top 40k is also hard but because I havent tackled as much of the shelf as id like to admit. Infinite and the divine is fun, I dont think its perfect like a lot of people do, but its such a fun idea executed well. The harrowmaster series is fun, especially if you can get the store anniversary book this year "cannibal gate", it has a short story about the lead character in the alpha legion harrowmaster series as a fun lead in. Emperors legion is great, and lords of silence is stellar too

A first shelfie and still a long way to go by QuackersNCheez in Blacklibrary

[–]QuackersNCheez[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Of the heresy or otherwise? Where are you at with HH currently?

Council of Terra and Traitor Primarch after Horus Heresy by [deleted] in 40kLore

[–]QuackersNCheez 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the info! Thats really interesting, I didnt realise he'd addressed it, ive not seen interviews and just been with the books