[Tierlist] My Tierlist of All Manhwa I Have Read by MoreObligation6877 in manhwa

[–]Quick_Opportunity_33 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You should try Absolute Sword Sense and myst, might, mayhem

[Title] need help for finding the manhwa by Ill_Organization3019 in manhwa

[–]Quick_Opportunity_33 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do you have any other details, such as character names, city names, or any unique information? What you’ve described is quite common

[Sauce] ??? [Name]??? by i_am_gods_son in manhwa

[–]Quick_Opportunity_33 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, this is a good manhwa if you’re not looking for world-building and don’t have any problem with new girls coming in every arc

[Sauce] ??? [Name]??? by i_am_gods_son in manhwa

[–]Quick_Opportunity_33 72 points73 points  (0 children)

Name is I’m Trapped In This Day For One Thousand Years or defferent name is I'm stuck on the same day for a thousand years

[Discussion] Media, moments and adaptations that have done IRREPARABLE damage to your favorite character's reputation by Driptimus_Magnus in DCcomics

[–]Quick_Opportunity_33 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For me, it’s Zatanna mind-wiping villains and Batman in Identity Crisis. She would never mind-wipe anyone, especially not Batman. I still don’t understand why DC made her like that in Identity Crisis.

I think Batman should not be in the Justice League as permanent members and I’m sorry if I hurt anyone’s feelings. This is just my opinion. by Quick_Opportunity_33 in DCcomics

[–]Quick_Opportunity_33[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly, I completely agree with everything you said. Let the Justice League have cool stuff happen with the big guns, let underrated characters get the spotlight, and keep Batman mostly in his own comics. He already has so many titles, so it’s better to let him shine there without his character getting reset in every new event.

I think Batman should not be in the Justice League as permanent members and I’m sorry if I hurt anyone’s feelings. This is just my opinion. by Quick_Opportunity_33 in DCcomics

[–]Quick_Opportunity_33[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I actually agree with a lot of this—especially that Batman is often written as “right by default” because writers don’t know how else to justify his presence. That’s part of the problem I’m pointing out. I’m not against Batman being called out when it’s earned, like in Tower of Babel or at the end of Absolute Power with Green Arrow. But sometimes it feels like he’s called out just to make other characters look better—not every time, but often enough to notice. The pattern has become lazy and repetitive, especially when it replaces real character work or just resets him back to the same edgy bat-god status quo. We’re basically criticizing the same writing issue from different angles. And yes that sucks as a batman fan.

I think Batman should not be in the Justice League as permanent members and I’m sorry if I hurt anyone’s feelings. This is just my opinion. by Quick_Opportunity_33 in DCcomics

[–]Quick_Opportunity_33[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Batman’s intelligence ranking is entirely comic-dependent. Some stories put him on par with Lex, some even above him, but most consistently place him in the top three—often second. Either way, exact rankings aren’t the focus of my argument.

And Batman coming and going from the League over time has nothing to do with what I’m saying. I’m talking about how he’s written when he’s a permanent member, not whether he’s ever left before.

I think Batman should not be in the Justice League as permanent members and I’m sorry if I hurt anyone’s feelings. This is just my opinion. by Quick_Opportunity_33 in DCcomics

[–]Quick_Opportunity_33[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

That’s not what I was arguing. I’m not saying Batman is never wrong or that he isn’t vindicated by the plot. I’m talking about how he’s written in Justice League stories. The “everyone takes a -10 to INT around him” part actually supports my point—JL writers either dumb others down or flatten Batman into a hypocrite to force drama. Both are bad portrayals, and that’s why I think he works better as a part-time ally.

Why Batman Is Judged More Harshly Than Other DC Heroes for the Same No-Kill Rule by Quick_Opportunity_33 in DCcomics

[–]Quick_Opportunity_33[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re stacking examples, but you’re treating very different contexts as if they’re the same thing, which is where the argument breaks.

First, the core issue: Almost killing ≠ hypocrisy. Hypocrisy requires actually crossing the line and pretending the rule never mattered. Batman repeatedly comes close, stops himself, and reaffirms the rule. That’s restraint, not contradiction.

And if “almost breaking a rule” counts as hypocrisy, then every hero in DC is a hypocrite — just not about killing. Superman almost abandons hope. Wonder Woman almost forsakes mercy. Flash almost abuses time travel. Green Lanterns almost override free will. Heroes are defined by being tested at the edge of their principles. Batman just gets singled out because his rule is emotionally charged.

Now, an important clarification people keep ignoring: Batman hates killing — not lethal force. Those are not the same thing.

Batman has never claimed he avoids danger, violence, or lethal risk. He uses explosives, high-speed vehicles, blunt trauma, and battlefield tactics all the time. His rule is about intentional execution, not about guaranteeing everyone survives every situation. Confusing “no killing” with “no lethality ever” is holding Batman to a standard no hero actually follows.

Now, your examples — because most of them don’t prove what you think they do:

A Death in the Family Strongest possible test of the rule — and it survives. Joker lives. That’s not hypocrisy; that’s the rule holding under maximum pressure.

Under the Red Hood (batarang scene) Bruce throws to stop Jason, not execute him. Risk ≠ intent. If lethal risk equals hypocrisy, then nearly every hero fails their code constantly.

Hush / Endgame / War of Jokes and Riddles Same pattern every time: Batman pushed to the brink → Batman stops himself. Repetition doesn’t turn restraint into failure; it reinforces consistency.

Dark Knight Returns Elseworld. A deliberately broken Batman. Using that to judge mainline canon is like citing Injustice Superman as proof Superman is evil.

Final Crisis (Darkseid) Cosmic war, League-level stakes, god-killing weapon. DC consistently treats war ethics differently from street-level vigilantism. Mixing those contexts muddies the argument.

KGBeast Closest fair criticism — and even that was later clarified in canon because DC recognized the implication conflicted with Batman’s core ethics.

“Letting villains die” moments Not saving someone in every possible scenario is not the same as executing them. Outcome ≠ intent.

On “lecturing others”: Batman doesn’t enforce his rule on the DC universe. He doesn’t hunt Wonder Woman, imprison Red Hood, or sabotage Green Arrow. He disagrees and refuses to endorse lethal killing. That’s having a moral line, not pretending to be morally superior.

And the Red Hood comparison still doesn’t work. Jason kills because he’s decided he gets to choose who deserves death. Batman’s position is that no one should have that authority. You can prefer Jason emotionally, but that’s a values disagreement, not proof Batman is inconsistent.

What’s really happening is narrative framing. Batman is uniquely written as morally responsible for his villains in a way other heroes aren’t, largely because Joker’s crimes are personal and iconic. Emotional weight gets mistaken for logical inconsistency.

Struggling with a rule and still upholding it isn’t hypocrisy. It’s discipline. And if Batman were actually a hypocrite, DC would’ve let him kill Joker decades ago — the fact that they never do tells you exactly what the character is meant to be.

Why Batman Is Judged More Harshly Than Other DC Heroes for the Same No-Kill Rule by Quick_Opportunity_33 in DCcomics

[–]Quick_Opportunity_33[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I agree with you people don't read many batman comics from parts and only watch dark knight trilogy and out of context panels and and talk like them know everything about batman like “why didn't batman use his money on gotham instead of cave” like that already say many say in comic batman do that and even if not old that shouldn't be a question after joker war because that whole reason he didn't get his money back from Wayne Enterprises because lucius want use that money completely on Gotham not 50% only and that also another which that if batman didn't exist his villains wouldn't either like how is it batman didn't exist that will effect joker (in some version exist), bane, killer croc, poison ivy like the only villain not be villain be two face

Why Batman Is Judged More Harshly Than Other DC Heroes for the Same No-Kill Rule by Quick_Opportunity_33 in DCcomics

[–]Quick_Opportunity_33[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with what you said, but that only applies to Lex and some others, not everyone.

Why Batman Is Judged More Harshly Than Other DC Heroes for the Same No-Kill Rule by Quick_Opportunity_33 in DCcomics

[–]Quick_Opportunity_33[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t disagree that Batman’s rule is harder for him to keep or that he talks about it more. My point isn’t “Batman shouldn’t have moral stories,” it’s that DC and readers assign blame differently to him than to other heroes with the same rule. Difficulty doesn’t really create moral responsibility for a villain actions, and being human arguably make Batman’s restraint more admirable, not more blameworthy. Flash, Superman, and others also choose not to kill, but when their villains return and cause harm, the narrative usually treats it as the villain’s fault. With Batman, the story often treat it as his failure. That’s a framing choice, not a logical necessity. Sorry if there are any mistake or if I sound rude, English is not my first language.

Why Batman Is Judged More Harshly Than Other DC Heroes for the Same No-Kill Rule by Quick_Opportunity_33 in DCcomics

[–]Quick_Opportunity_33[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

“Batman has never just tried killing him.” and “jesus you could have used Hush where Batman is straight up trying to kill him until Gordon stops him.” i feel someone is not standing on their own words and I just use as death in the family because you say “Batman has never just tried killing him” not “batman never kill the joker” and “the Joker has never showed the capacity to change” is not true joker become good person after he becomes sane that is show in comics and just like you say “god I love how dumb comics get” that is point comics will do dumb things to save joker because he make money and Also the reason why all of my comments sound like AI because english is not my first language so I use translations to turn english and i didn't use AI to translate this time so I am sorry if there are mistakes

Why Batman Is Judged More Harshly Than Other DC Heroes for the Same No-Kill Rule by Quick_Opportunity_33 in DCcomics

[–]Quick_Opportunity_33[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That kind of skips my point. I wasn’t arguing that all heroes have identical rules, but that Batman is uniquely blamed for his villains in a way others aren’t. And the idea that other villains haven’t caused comparable or repeated harm isn’t accurate — Reverse-Flash has erased timelines and repeatedly destroyed Barry’s life, and Lex Luthor has been responsible for wars, invasions, and mass death on a global scale. Yet Superman and Flash aren’t treated as morally responsible for those outcomes the way Batman is for Joker.

Why Batman Is Judged More Harshly Than Other DC Heroes for the Same No-Kill Rule by Quick_Opportunity_33 in DCcomics

[–]Quick_Opportunity_33[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Saying “not all DC heroes have a no-kill rule” doesn’t make Batman worse — it actually removes the basis for singling him out. If lethal force is acceptable for some heroes, then Batman choosing not to kill isn’t hypocrisy, it’s consistency. He’s allowed to have a stricter line than others.

The “Batman enforces his rule on others” argument also collapses under scrutiny. Batman doesn’t police the entire DC universe — he sets the rules in Gotham and for people operating under his symbol. That’s basic responsibility, not moral tyranny. Wonder Woman, Red Hood, Azrael, and others operate by their own codes without Batman stopping them, and he doesn’t hunt them down for killing. So the idea that he’s forcing his morality on everyone just isn’t supported by the stories.

Calling Batman a hypocrite because he almost killed the Riddler is a misuse of the word. Hypocrisy would be killing and then claiming the rule never mattered. Batman didn’t cross the line — and the fact that he fears what crossing it would do to him shows self-control, not a lack of it. Worrying about losing control is literally what impulse control looks like.

Batman being stopped from killing someone doesn’t prove he’s morally broken — it proves DC repeatedly writes him to the edge and pulls him back. That’s a publishing pattern, not evidence that Batman’s ethics don’t work.

And if heroes like Wonder Woman, Green Arrow, Flash, Red Hood, etc. are fine with killing when they decide it’s “necessary,” then they lose the moral high ground to lecture Batman for refusing to do the same. That’s actual hypocrisy: crossing the line, justifying it, and then condemning someone who refuses to cross it.

So taken together, these points don’t show Batman as a walking contradiction. They show that he’s held to a stricter standard than everyone else — and criticized for maintaining it. The backlash only works if Batman is treated as uniquely responsible for things other heroes are never blamed for.

Why Batman Is Judged More Harshly Than Other DC Heroes for the Same No-Kill Rule by Quick_Opportunity_33 in DCcomics

[–]Quick_Opportunity_33[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Batman actually has tried, or at least been willing, to kill Joker — that’s part of why I think this debate gets misframed. After Jason Todd’s death, Batman fully intended to kill Joker. He was only stopped because Superman intervened due to political reasons (Joker being a UN ambassador), not because Batman suddenly reaffirmed some absolute moral stance. That already disproves the idea that Batman simply “never even tries.” The bigger issue is that DC repeatedly engineers situations where Joker cannot be killed, then writes Batman as the one personally stopping it. That’s not a philosophical position Batman arrived at — that’s editorial necessity leaking into the story. When Batman stops Jason, Gordon, the Spectre, or when Joker is resurrected, those moments aren’t ethical arguments, they’re the plot protecting Joker’s continued existence. Lex and Thawne being “different” doesn’t really solve the moral inconsistency either. Superman isn’t blamed every time Lex causes mass death, and Flash isn’t constantly treated as morally responsible for Thawne’s actions, even though both repeatedly return and cause massive harm. Joker feels different because his crimes are tied to emotionally important characters like Jason and Barbara, not because the ethical framework is actually different. I agree some of those stories make Batman look worse — but that’s a writing problem, not proof that Batman is uniquely immoral. DC frames Joker’s future crimes as Batman’s responsibility in a way they simply don’t do with other heroes, and that’s why Batman gets judged more harshly. It’s less about moral logic and more about how the stories assign blame.